Vault Planning Thread

[mrpaper]

we need more phoenix and deflags though we need to rethink how many since they now cost 3 instead of 2...

We will probaby wanna use about 4 azure dragons in a deck due to th'ey cose in a air/aether deck, so 6 is a bit much.

A fog shield is always handy and easy to use with a grabs deck...

9 vampires? I assume it's for 2  decks of devtals, 3 or 4 in em are enough ( I like to put 3 in my version) so a total of 6 to 8 is enough.

Idk if we wanna go with 2 eq decks... if not 12 eq are of course too much so are 6 BB.

12 immos.. what are we suppose to burn? we put 0 spark, and we got novas also

6 catapult is way too many for a catapult deck, maybe 3 at most.

We need a lobo or 2 if we are to go mono aether

maybe an aether mark or 2 of higs or other have some.

The rest looks pretty good to me

[hainkarga]

So the vault deadline is nigh. Many ideas are given, some agree with each other some don't. Personally i shared my thoughts and i can share more if you like *like my whole vault idea* but i trust your experience and judgement.

Got a draft of what we are gonna go with ?

[EvaRia]

Okay, super preliminary initial vault:




Ready, set, critique!

Hmm...

-2 Azure Dragon
-1/2 wings
-3 Minor Vampire
-4 Earthquake
-6 Stone Skin
-2~6 Basilisk Blood
-2 Lycanthrope
-12 Immolation unless we bring Spark (I don't think we'll need to)
-3 Catapult
-1/2 Purify
-3 Mindflayer

+6 Phase Dragon
+6 Fractal
+6 Phase Spider
+2/4 Nightfall
+2 Bonewall
+2 Arsenic
+2 Golden Dragon
+2 Forest Spirit


+ Pill/Pends (We definitely need more IMO.)

Let's see where that puts us for now.

[UTAlan]

Combined paper & Eva's suggestions. Here is where that leaves us:

[mrpaper]

we have a bonus of 12 cards for the propaganda... that would be + 10 phoenix +2 deflags for me.
what are the golden and bone dragons for?

[EvaRia]

Bone Dragons are for alternate win condition in Bonebolt.

Golden Dragons are for a win condition in general for our Sanc Stall.

Fractaled, PUed, or just dropped there, they're useful.

[mrpaper]

dragons are useful yeah, just wasnt sure if they we're crucial.. I'm also wondering why 8 arsenic .. we have  2 (with a stretch 3  grabs possible) and 3 other aether/death duo, so we'd need 5 or 6 .. not 8.
Maybe they we're to be use with an immo deck, but it seems we won't go that route, so that's 2-3 more cards for us.
I've also talk to higs about the crucial part of having marks instead of a pillar or 2 since teams will rightfully try to eq us.
I still believe we need at least a lobo for our mono aether deck that we will need to pull eventually

[EvaRia]

We actually have the cards for 2 bonebolts, so with about 8 arsenics we have what we need to play both and put them in grabbows.

Dragons aren't crucial. I guess we could always just drop phase dragons as a win condition. If you want we can play -2 golden dragons. But the Bone dragons are very good against Candlelight, so we should take them IMO.
I think it's fair to have maybe 3 lobo, so how about...

-1 Arsenic
-2 Golden Dragon
+3 Lobotomizer
-2 pill/pend
+2 Mark

[Shaliyah]

Pandemonium:
Great with Phase Dragons. Great in general. It helps Monoaether out a lot when you can remove damage like that.

This is a great card and I used to have a deck like that. Pandemonium is cheap and effective without our immortals creatures being affected. In my honest opinion - considering now what Higs said - we better come with something that other teams won't expect from us. Now all about the rest that you said Eva, I totally agree. Silence is a wonderful card, I tried to make it work in a deck with EQs but it didn't work so good, at least for me. It could be used though in crucial points, like when you know that the opponent is ready to use stone skin before you finish the game.

[UTAlan]

3 1/2 hours until the deadline and here is what we have:




I couldn't add 10 more phoenix's due to the off-element limit, but I maxed them out and put another 4 into pillars.

EDIT: I went ahead and filled out the actual vault spreadsheet with these values to make sure we have *something* in there as the deadline approaches. We do still have time to make modifications to it, though.

[Higurashi]

Looks pretty good. Three things on my wishlist are:
Max out Deflags.
Max out Bone Walls/Poisons.
Steals, Steals, Steals. Very important.

We need 4 more Deflags and 4 Steals for the former two requests (2 per Devtal). The optional cards we can exchange them for are 4 RT's, 3 Catapults, 3-4 Mummies, 3 Arsenics and 3 Mind Flayers. We only need 2-3 Mummies for Mummytal, and we only have enough Bone Walls for two BoneBolts (though 5 per deck would be better), whereas we have enough other Death cards for 7 BoneBolts (including flying Arses). However, those Death cards can also be used in a stall with Dims. It's just kind of pointless.

We could also use Death pends/pillars for Bone Dragon Fractal, but we can just assume we'll get to salvage them. That means we won't be using Bone Dragon Fractal early, however. I'd like to save a BoneBolt for last this time, depending on how the War goes on. That means we should keep it hidden until the last Round. This is speaking ideally though; it's very possible we'll be pressed to abandon that plan.

[UTAlan]

If we get rid of our catapults, do we still want 6 Titans?