Team Aether Strategy

[Avenger]

Discussion for loot & discard

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[Avenger]

Basic ideas.

1. anything possible here, this could be a NM/steal source
2. We can relieve 4 earth quanta source stress by discarding them from first deck and looting them from the earth deck, take the 2 NM/steal from earth deck. - 6 done
3. We need a poison deck, lets loot the 6 poison from entropy. - 6 done
4. I don't know, i would take some flying weapon, but air didn't give us any OE. This may change this round. Conversion fodder, or nova source.

[deuce22]

In terms of event card, I think the only choice is "Spy". It is an opportunity to add more aether cards to our vault (thinking dims and fractal). Or add a card or 2 that we missed?

Basic ideas.

1. anything possible here, this could be a NM/steal source
2. We can relieve 4 earth quanta source stress by discarding them from first deck and looting them from the earth deck, take the 2 NM/steal from earth deck. - 6 done
3. We need a poison deck, lets loot the 6 poison from entropy. - 6 done
4. I don't know, i would take some flying weapon, but air didn't give us any OE. This may change this round. Conversion fodder, or nova source.

I made some initial SDPC changes to the vault. They are not final by any means, but just more to give an idea of what I was thinking of keeping. We will need to convert a number of cards to pends.

[Avenger]

I didn't think of spy. But it is an obvious choice, if we could use a SINGLE copy of a given (any) card.
Other than that, i thought about sniper, way to cause a huge damage.
These are random cards, so they might cause some trouble in some vaults.

[The_Mormegil]

Sniper: opponents lose 2 extra random cards from their Vault.

Spy: opponents lose 2 targeted cards from their Vault AND we gain 2 cards.


Pretty much superior in every possible way. The only other card worth considering is the Scavenger, but I like the Spy better.

[The_Mormegil]

Also, for the SDCP, consider the idea of just going even. We could discard and convert all the salvage to leave our Vault completely unchanged.

I love those Novas though, and I think some extra Darkness cards are nice.

[Avenger]

Sniper: opponents lose 2 extra random cards from their Vault.

Spy: opponents lose 2 targeted cards from their Vault AND we gain 2 cards.


Pretty much superior in every possible way. The only other card worth considering is the Scavenger, but I like the Spy better.

I understood this as 3+5, because of the word "additional". Definitely causing an extra loss of 5 cards may be better than a 4 cards difference. Of course if you can use a single copy (2 single copies) of a card and you have a known source, it could be fun.

[deuce22]

The way I see it, if we assassinate a team that gets decimated this round, it's not going to help us that much in the long run.  Whereas, being able to salvage 2 aether cards from an opponent could potentially be huge later in war.

I would like to choose for spy because we know they have fractals and dims. But I am not confident in this matchup atm.

[Avenger]

The way I see it, if we assassinate a team that gets decimated this round, it's not going to help us that much in the long run.  Whereas, being able to salvage 2 aether cards from an opponent could potentially be huge later in war.

I would like to choose for spy because we know they have fractals and dims. But I am not confident in this matchup atm.

Let's list opponents, what we would steal from them, and the chance of success.
Stealing their in-element cards would probably break them more, and stealing cards of our lost decks can help us.
Stealing our in-element cards can also help, but we have enough, don't we.
I would steal weapons or other rares
Like: light - miracle, sanctuary - we have 2 light decks and light seem to be beatable - cards worth to us better than medium
         entropy - discord, explosion - lowering the overall discord count, an upped discord may work in nova decks, explosion is on our side - cards worth to us lower than medium
         time - dims, fractal (deuce) - i agree that it is futile to steal eternity from time, and useless to us steal pharaoh. - cards worth is better than medium
         air - OE,  vamp dagger - they lost one deck to us, but they could rebuild it. we could use a copy of both of these - cards worth is better than medium
         fire - you can steal dims, fractal here to attempt to ruin their fractix - this would limit their lt/gen deck choices.

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[hainkarga]

I made proto-sdpc on our vault.
We have 47 pend / pill atm.
4 players x 13 pend/pill + 1 player with grabbow x 7 pend = roughly 59 pill/pend needed. That is 12 quanta short of what we need.

We need to let go one of off-elements.

Darkness: 13 cards for devtal
Light: 13 cards for Rol / Hope (with sanctuaries gone, light has become more expensive. Because sancstall used to have intersecting cards with rol hope which was good)
Earth: 10 cards for gemtal (not counting +6 graboids for grabbow)
Fire: 8 cards (5 phoenix + 3 deflag) for fractix. (not counting +2 deflag for grabbow)
Entropy: 6 cards for PU dragon. (not counting +6 nova +1 lycan for grabbow)


Entropy and Fire decks are cheap decks. With only 6-7 fire cards we have a decent fractix and same with entropy. Therefore we should keep them. We probably need choose among devtal, rol hope and gemtal unless we decide to convert aether cards which is unwise.

[The_Mormegil]

RoL Hope is too strong to let go.
Fractix is too strong and also needed as a threat on our opponents.
Devtal is powerful, especially against weakened nova-less Vaults.
Gemtal provides novelty and beats poison, but at the moment it's the one I would miss the least.
Entropy duo can provide useful, but I wouldn't miss this one either.
We also have Bonebolt, which is strong but lacks a bit of support at the moment.

That said...
We can safely convert one Light Dragon. We can convert 2 Bone Pillars if we don't field Bonebolt and need them. We can convert one Deflagration: grabbow can't really afford to splash 2 and we have momentums now. That leaves us with 8 less quanta than predicted. However, Grabbow can work on 6 quanta instead of 7 methinks, and Bonebolt looks alright even with 10 quanta sources; on the other hand, fractix is quanta heavy.
All in all, I think gemtal is going to get converted. :-/ That's a pity and leaves us vulnerable to poison stalls.