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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346230#msg346230
« Reply #84 on: June 05, 2011, 02:48:06 am »
Seems a bit more RNG-dependent with your changes. Might give a slight edge to PU/dims. Although, top-decking all 6 poisons is rather comical. and unstoppable.

EDIT: contemplating -1 pend +1 arse. An early arse gives me a better chance across the board. thoughts?

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346359#msg346359
« Reply #85 on: June 05, 2011, 10:44:07 am »
You can certainly run 10 pends, though it's a bit starving at that point. Perhaps -1 Poison would be better.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346368#msg346368
« Reply #86 on: June 05, 2011, 11:46:06 am »
Yeah, -1 poison is probably better. Will play around with it to see if it improves my win rate

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346371#msg346371
« Reply #87 on: June 05, 2011, 12:06:03 pm »
We've got everything covered except UW then. Their PhoeniXplosion can win in 7 turns and dominates Grabbows. I think my only chance is quanta denial, so I'll be tweaking the BH deck. Edit: Nope, doesn't stand a chance. LD doesn't play like a retard AI.

The other option is that I keep some ups and Fractix them right back (which means we send one Devtal and one PU-Nix against Death).
The upped Bone Walls against Fire don't help all that much, especially if we run into FSS, so perhaps it would be smarter to aim for two Fractixes. One against Death and one against UW.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346394#msg346394
« Reply #88 on: June 05, 2011, 02:07:00 pm »
We've got everything covered except UW then. Their PhoeniXplosion can win in 7 turns and dominates Grabbows. I think my only chance is quanta denial, so I'll be tweaking the BH deck. Edit: Nope, doesn't stand a chance. LD doesn't play like a retard AI.

The other option is that I keep some ups and Fractix them right back (which means we send one Devtal and one PU-Nix against Death).
The upped Bone Walls against Fire don't help all that much, especially if we run into FSS, so perhaps it would be smarter to aim for two Fractixes. One against Death and one against UW.
Something to think about is whether or not LD will give up any of his upped cards. He might want to give 3 to LL against napalm. When looking at UW's matchups, I gotta believe they will use momentum scorps against death. It doesn't make sense anywhere else. Which leaves their PhoeniXplosion and the Panda deck that beat napalm last round. if they want to use the panda deck, LD will have to give up 3 upped cards to LL for the pandas. But they may be paranoid about FSS, in which case they could send their phoeniXplosion against nap and their panda-grabby grower to us, which would also require 3-upped pandas.

I'm not sure which of the 2 we have a greater chance of seeing. If I had to choose, I would say they would send pandas to Nap because she is very unlikely to use FSS. Which would mean PhoeniXplosion for us. I think in order to use pandas against us, they would have to anticipate fractix, which is unlikely given the event card. LD REALLY wants to beat Higs, so we will likely see their best deck, which is Phoenixplosion.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346398#msg346398
« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2011, 02:22:26 pm »
For the record, the Pande deck is not a problem for me since my Fractix has 4 Dims at the moment. Heck, none of their decks are a problem.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346403#msg346403
« Reply #90 on: June 05, 2011, 02:33:07 pm »
Sorry for not being on the ball with things this round -- academics come first, unfortunately >_<"

Is there any testing that I could help out with?

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346406#msg346406
« Reply #91 on: June 05, 2011, 02:48:28 pm »
Pika, maybe you could help me build a devtal to beat death. Since 4 deflags are essential to winning with the PU-nix deck, maybe 3 Steals are the way to go here? I'll be back in about 5 hours, unfortunately.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346407#msg346407
« Reply #92 on: June 05, 2011, 02:52:18 pm »
We still need to test our BoneBolts against Fire's ImmoPhoenix and NovaGrabby (bring a Fog Shield for the worst possible odds since we only have physical damage).

And yeah, Death Devtal needs 3-4 Steals. 3 is probably fine.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346408#msg346408
« Reply #93 on: June 05, 2011, 02:55:50 pm »
For the record, the Pande deck is not a problem for me since my Fractix has 4 Dims at the moment. Heck, none of their decks are a problem.
If you use 4 dims, that leaves 2 dims (Eva might want 3, your call) and 1 lightning for eva. We could remove the 2 lightnings from will's MA and salvage a shockwave, which would give eva 4 CC. (alternatively -1 PU -1 pill +2 spiders)

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On another note, I recommend your other 3 upped cards go to devtal and be used on vamps and/or eclipse. Might actually give it a good shot against the SS stall.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346414#msg346414
« Reply #94 on: June 05, 2011, 03:18:21 pm »
Death may have one last Novagrabby (considering that they got the chance to salvage from a Novagrabby in both Round 7 and 8), and that deck + the SS/EQ deck are the biggest concerns.

If we're playing 3 upgrades on the Devtal, then we could up 2 Vamps + 1 Nightfall, or 2 Vamps + 1 Aether Pend (take that, EQ).

The real problem in the Devtal vs. SS/EQ match-up is the fact that we can't get to 10 :aether easily when they're blasting our Aether producers away. Diamond Shield and Plague aren't really helping the situation x)

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346448#msg346448
« Reply #95 on: June 05, 2011, 05:14:56 pm »
Bonebolt against FSS is extremely iffy, even with the Dragontal.  I just can't seem to get enough :death to OTK with Dragons before they can get enough :fire to where they SHOULD be able to kill with Bolts.  I've only played two duels, but I can say that during this second duel, if the AI hadn't wasted its Fire Bolts early on I would have been completely screwed.  Arsenic seems to be the win condition and I can guarantee they'll pack at least 2, if not 3 Deflags against us so it's even chancier.  Early Sanctuaries are probably the biggest problem though; Poison Damage can't take effect almost at all with them on the field.  Also, Reflective Shield = gg

EDIT:  1-4 against it now.

Other than this big problem, Bonebolt stands a good chance against the rest of their decks.
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