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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346159#msg346159
« Reply #72 on: June 05, 2011, 12:00:04 am »
It's a bit risky focusing on Mummytal for damage instead of mainly Poisons since they can have Dims left, and could very well have Dusks left. It looks like we're better off focusing on physical damage against Fire in our Death duos.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346163#msg346163
« Reply #73 on: June 05, 2011, 12:27:40 am »
It's a bit risky focusing on Mummytal for damage instead of mainly Poisons since they can have Dims left, and could very well have Dusks left. It looks like we're better off focusing on physical damage against Fire in our Death duos.
In that case, I guess I can try something like this.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346165#msg346165
« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2011, 12:31:41 am »
Yeah, that looks good. (include a Purify in the Grabbow you're testing against though)
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346166#msg346166
« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2011, 12:41:16 am »
Does anyone have any other insights against death? I posted a PU Phoenix a couple pages back that seemed pretty effective, and has an okay chance against EQ/SS. If we can get some decks done today, it leaves us enough time to talk about salvages and conversions. As deuce said, monoaether is looking very strong against time as well.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346167#msg346167
« Reply #76 on: June 05, 2011, 01:00:38 am »
Yeah, that looks good. (include a Purify in the Grabbow you're testing against though)
Knew I was missing something. Fixed.

Seems to work well against the ai (near 100%), but ai is stupid. When I play as the grabbow, stupid ai wins about 50%. So I think i have the advantage in this one. Would like to test against a human opponent at some point in time though.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346168#msg346168
« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2011, 01:05:59 am »
BoneBolt is practically designed to deal with Grabbow, so that's a given. Only thing that could cause a problem is PU Obsidians (due to 6 HP) with Dims, a Dusk and a Vamp Dagger, so that needs to be tested.

We also need to test our BoneBolts against ImmoPhoenix and Fire Grabbow with Fog (very important to include that). Experience tells me they should have an edge when we're packing 4 Walls and a Plague. Sometimes ImmoPhoenix pours out the Phoenixes like crazy, but it looks good.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346175#msg346175
« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2011, 01:26:41 am »
BoneBolt is practically designed to deal with Grabbow, so that's a given. Only thing that could cause a problem is PU Obsidians (due to 6 HP) with Dims, a Dusk and a Vamp Dagger, so that needs to be tested.
Based on the calcs that EP and I did, it seems like they might be able to do Dragon PU or Dragon dims, but not both. torb may not have much if any dragons left in his vault, and if he does, he can do a 4/4 PU/dim split at best. The discussion is proabably in one of the pasties somewhere. Regardless, using 6 poison gives me a much better chance than relying on mummytal. But yeah, bonebolt would likely be at a disadvantage there as well.

Also, with the current deck breakdown, we have 1 lightning remaining (might as well add it to the monoaether for :time). We still have yet to confirm Eva's and Hig's. For Eva, because of the lack of lightnings she might want to look into either firestall or monoaether (destroys SS and should be able to easily generate enough quanta to dim chain against monoentropy). Either way, that would mean that no dims and no lightnings for higs. My suggestion would be EQ grabby PU. Will seems pretty certain their immodeck is not functional anymore, which makes EQ an easy counter to pretty much all of their decks.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346181#msg346181
« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2011, 01:36:01 am »
Yes, I assumed 4 Dims/PU's when I mentioned it. It's more like BoneBolt is still at an advantage though.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346188#msg346188
« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2011, 01:46:26 am »
There are 15 total pus and dims for them going into round 8. 12 from the 6/6 deck and 3 salvages from water (they HAVE to take 3 adrenas to field the deck they did against us)
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So if they want to keep 4 black dragons around, they can only save 1 pu/dim. This means that they lose 11 pu/dim cards. They can't go 4/4, it's going to be anywhere from 0/5 to 5/0 which really isn't very effective. They have to hang onto 2 adrena 2 cloak 2 vamp from round seven to account for the decks in round 8. If there was a vamp hiding in vault then I could be off, but I think #pu + #dim = 5 at absolute worst. And at that point they can't really use an effective pu/dim deck.

EDIT: Yes, deuce is right. If there are black 4 dragons lurking in vault then maybe they can go 4/4.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346215#msg346215
« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2011, 02:20:39 am »
Hm.. from what I can tell, UW can actually build this by salvaging 3 Aether Pillars and 3 Fractals from Fire since they haven't lost while using Immos:
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If the MP's they lost against will were their last ones, they'll have to salvage 2 MP's, 2 Fractals, 2 Aether Pillars from Fire. I'm pretty sure it slaughters any Grabbow just like the deck I've posted here does. Hm...

I've been testing this, btw.
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« Reply #82 on: June 05, 2011, 02:27:58 am »
Just did a few test runs against this 4/4 PU/dim. ai had about a 50% win rate with bonebolt (i played pu/dims). So it seems like I have a decent chance if he decides to throw this at us.

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« Reply #83 on: June 05, 2011, 02:31:16 am »
-2 LS, +1 Pend, +1 Improved Dusk. He'll never use LS against us. Either way, odds are in your favour.
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