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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346450#msg346450
« Reply #96 on: June 05, 2011, 05:26:34 pm »
Been testing Eva's grabbow. The issue I was running into was that I rarely have enough quanta to use dims late (due to EQ and BH). Maxxed out novas to help against BH and early discord. More CC would be ideal, but I don't think we can sacrifice anymore lightnings. This seems to be about as consistent as I can make it against Scrambled Shriekers. I'm going to estimate >70% win rate.

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Bonebolt against FSS is extremely iffy, even with the Dragontal.  I just can't seem to get enough :death to OTK with Dragons before they can get enough :fire to where they SHOULD be able to kill with Bolts.  I've only played two duels, but I can say that during this second duel, if the AI hadn't wasted its Fire Bolts early on I would have been completely screwed.  Arsenic seems to be the win condition and I can guarantee they'll pack at least 2, if not 3 Deflags against us so it's even chancier.  Early Sanctuaries are probably the biggest problem though; Poison Damage can't take effect almost at all with them on the field.  Also, Reflective Shield = gg

EDIT:  1-4 against it now.

Other than this big problem, Bonebolt stands a good chance against the rest of their decks.
Something to consider is removing both arses and adding more pends. The arses are more or less dead against their other decks because they have 2-3 deflags.

Also, someone pointed out that they have never used deflags in any of there stalls, which is why arse is in there.

EDIT: Taking out the arses makes it even harder against FSS. Early arse seems to be very critical. and even then, it requires a bit of RNG luck. Adding +1 arse and making it 31 cards might improve its chances

EDIT2: Not sure, but I think I found a decent strategy against firestall. So, the idea is to fractal a dragon halfway through the match and play only 2 or 3 dragons (probably can't play more than 4 anyway) This will draw out their bolts or rage pots, and keep playing a dragon every other turn or so. Again, this is a little more RNG dependent, but this will prevent them from OTK with 10 cards left and it will allow you to not spend as much quanta on bonewalls (yay for 1-2 more dragons!)

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346478#msg346478
« Reply #97 on: June 05, 2011, 06:19:09 pm »
The thing is, that since they're in such a difficult situation, I can guarantee that they will test every one of their decks against Bonebolt because it is quite possibly the most powerful deck we have at our disposal.  Now if Fire does their testing right then they will realize that Arsenic actually provides us with a win possibility against FSS, which makes Deflag a very worthy addition in this case.  Lord knows they have the deck space to use it if they wanted to.  But yes, Arsenic is very fail against their other decks, and based on the RNG necessity of their Immobow, I'm not sure I would want to risk adding another Arsenic and reducing our chances of drawing something much more important.

I've wondered whether Ivory Dragons would be a good addition here, but I've about convinced myself they wouldn't change the outcome.

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3-2 against PU Dragons.  This should have been 4-1, however, as the AI made a playing error when Fractaling Dragons.  The other loss was because the AI drew 0 Bone Walls in 19 cards...which isn't exactly something common.  Silence is disastrous rarely (even when it is drawn, which was in my starting hand every duel for some reason -_-), but fortunately the lack of CC means we can spam Dragons freely and I doubt they would include CC as it would severely disrupt the quanta balance completely.

4-1 against Immobow.  This is harder to gauge as normally I would wait to Fractal Bone Dragons since this deck is covered with CC, but I had to make approximations of whether or not the AI would have been able to kill me had it been patient.  For Bonebolt's one loss, the Immobow drew and played 4 Graboids very quickly, which is pretty unlikely.  The win margin is probably smaller, but it seems we have the advantage assuming RNG is kind to us.

Are we still not sure of whether or not they have a Fractix hiding in their vault?  Otherwise we may as well get rid of that Plague; the decks I played against either won't have creatures or won't make creatures targetable until it goes in for the kill so it will almost be completely wasted.
If Fractix is ruled out then we could swap out a Plague for an Arsenic or something else.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346489#msg346489
« Reply #98 on: June 05, 2011, 06:29:28 pm »
EDIT2: Not sure, but I think I found a decent strategy against firestall. So, the idea is to fractal a dragon halfway through the match and play only 2 or 3 dragons (probably can't play more than 4 anyway) This will draw out their bolts or rage pots, and keep playing a dragon every other turn or so. Again, this is a little more RNG dependent, but this will prevent them from OTK with 10 cards left and it will allow you to not spend as much quanta on bonewalls (yay for 1-2 more dragons!)
This works amazingly well. fractal dragons early, and generally never have more than 2 on the field at once because 2x RoF can really blow. Replacing plague with arse makes it much more consistent too.

Currently 5-1 against FSS

EDIT: 1 more thing. Once 3 Fire bolts have been used, might be a good idea to wait for OTK at that point, but depends on the situation and everything.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346505#msg346505
« Reply #99 on: June 05, 2011, 06:49:31 pm »
I'm gonna start loading up decks then.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346543#msg346543
« Reply #100 on: June 05, 2011, 07:38:14 pm »
Some Vault analysis predicts that Fire has only Sparks, and no Photons to use for Immobait, which puts Bonebolt at a greater advantage against Immophoenix. After some testing with Higs, we concluded that the only way that Fire could win was to get a great opening hand (lots of Deflags for Arsenics, etc.), pull an early Fog Shield, and hax like crazy.

Fun fact: Momentumed Phoenixes lose Momentum when you turn them to Ash :>

Also, don't send Dragons into play until you can Fractal some spares, or have a second Dragon in hand. CC hurts.


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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346550#msg346550
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2011, 07:48:41 pm »
Breaking news?

We have a severe lack of fractals 0.o

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346551#msg346551
« Reply #102 on: June 05, 2011, 07:52:39 pm »
Breaking news?

We have a severe lack of fractals 0.o

3 left after twin bonebolts.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346557#msg346557
« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2011, 08:06:28 pm »
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346558#msg346558
« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2011, 08:08:47 pm »
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346606#msg346606
« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2011, 11:07:48 pm »
Most likely the best I can do. I'm using all ups because this is our hardest matchup and no one else benefits all that much from them.

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« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2011, 11:13:08 pm »
UW's Fractix is arguably the toughest match-up for Higs. However, our Fractix should get some very close and exciting wins provided that the RNG is at least meh to normal in quality. We win unless Higs pulls a terrible hand, and LD can find the combo pieces in time (Phoenix, Fractal, Immo, Deflags).

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg346649#msg346649
« Reply #107 on: June 06, 2011, 01:45:01 am »
so, after testing my most recent deck, I would like to go -1 poison +1 arse. My reasoning is that early arse is pretty critical (especially against purify + dusk mantle + steal), plus it's nice having more arses than torb has steals.

In order to do this, Eva would have to go -1 arse +1 vamp dagger. Is this ok?

 

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