Round 9 - Main Topic

[deuce22]

Alright, after more testing I've managed to take it down with an immonova deck with gnome riders and burning pillars. The AI definitely misplayed though, and I think if you can lightning the golem (the only lethal source of damage), then it's not a problem.

And either way that's not a concern because I killed off the only one of those they had.

Not entirely true. They forgot immos against you, plus they have novas from another deck and salvages from napalm. The main question is whether or not they have spare cards in their vault to make it functional.

[willng3]

Alright, after more testing I've managed to take it down with an immonova deck with gnome riders and burning pillars. The AI definitely misplayed though, and I think if you can lightning the golem (the only lethal source of damage), then it's not a problem.

And either way that's not a concern because I killed off the only one of those they had.

Not entirely true. They forgot immos against you, plus they have novas from another deck and salvages from napalm. The main question is whether or not they have spare cards in their vault to make it functional.

Yep and it's not a question.  They don't.

[deuce22]

Yep and it's not a question.  They don't.

Higs seemed kind of concerned that they could do a sort of MPtal with immos.

Either way, EQ grabby PU or a BH-aether deck is probably a good choice

[willng3]

Yep and it's not a question.  They don't.

Higs seemed kind of concerned that they could do a sort of MPtal with immos.

To make things crystal clear:  MPtal with Immos != the same rush they tried to hit me with last round.

But yes, I'm concerned with the PhoeniXplosion as well.  Assuming they pack Deflags and they learn that we have BHs in our deck, next game they will likely just hold off on playing Minor Phoenixes and never use an Immolation unless it's endgame.  Then they can simply Deflag a Phase Shield and more than likely finish us off.  The one huge advantage here, however, is that all these cards will clog their hand and with 3 Fractals that's a big problem.  So all in all I feel pretty confident with this deck, minor concerns aside.

[EngPhys]

To recap:

Bonebolt x2, though FSS is still giving some trouble. Final build has not been decided on.


PU Phoenix x2? Haven't heard many comments about my build, please take a look at let me know what you think. Going to test against Reclusetal without Dims soon.


BH deck? Needs testing against pretty much everything, especially an immoMPtal


Grabbow or firestall


mono-aether? I'll go test some stuff I guess. Not much else has been mentioned.


Darkness is down to some sort of Dim Dragon, grabbow (with purify), or PU Dragon. They cannot have all three of PU, Dim, and Dragons. I don't recall too many ideas here. I mentioned sancstall, but now think it's not a good option. Early arsenic or PU obsidians or drain life would not be fun to deal with. That purify really scares me away from any of our death duos except perhaps mummytal bonebolt. PU Azures falls to obsidians, and steals are pretty killer to anything Dim-based. Kind of lost here.

[deuce22]

I'm kind of lost for . I think torb will most likely bring a grabbow, so that is my main concern. I could use a grabbow myself, but me + grabbow against tends to = fail. Only other option is a bonebolt/mummytal type of deck, but I don't know how effective it actually would be.

[EngPhys]

Cliffs notes: Time shouldn't have a novagrabby. If they do, it will have only 3 grabs and no CC. Scarabtal is likely since we've shown affinity for Bonebolt in the past, and they wouldn't want to send the same deck twice. Mono-aether looks pretty good.
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[deuce22]

been messing around with this against fire. It seems to work pretty well against FSS. not sure about it's performance against the rushes, though. I think using 6 poisons would work better against the rushes than dragontal because of earlier damage and passes fog. Also, mummies would probably work better against the rushes, but dragons are better against FSS because of OTK.

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This is a modified version of what eva posted yesterday. difficult to get a read against FSS because ai prioritizes fire shield over reflect shield. But i think it performs better against the rushes. Would consider -1 pend +1 lightning because I usually have enough quanta to play all mummies right right away.

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All of these need further testing (Do we really want arses? Kind of dead cards against novagrabby, but helpful against FSS). It would be nice if we could finalize these decks tonight along with the death decks. Anyone else notice how we are using death against fire and fire against death?

[pikachufan2164]

@deuce

Hm, upped Arsenics aren't too necessary, as you already said that they're dead cards against Fire's rushes (which always pack 3 Deflags), and it's the poison damage that matters more in the Firesanc match-up, since they can't get rid of it with Miracles.

I would either up 3 Bone Walls (setting up defences earlier is always good), or 2 Bone Walls + 1 Dragon/Mummy (for more efficient Fractals). Probably just 3 Bone Walls, since majofa has slightly better chances of playing Fractix or Minor Phoenixes in general.

Something like this might work a bit better -- it's still untested, but I'll give it a spin later on in the day, when I'm done ragequitting over studying (optional +1 Bone Dragon, +1 Aether Pend for finding the Dragons before I get Firebolted to death):

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[deuce22]

tested mono-aether with EP against scarabtal. It went 5-0. Only way scarabtal can possibly win is if it draws an early fog + 2 deflag + 2 nova. If it doesn't then it is usually an easy win. This version has 2 lightning in it instead of spider+fractal. If we have spare lightnings, I would substitute more in here.

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Again, MA should easily beat 's other decks because it is EQ resisitant, RT resistant, and can easily dim chain due to lack of PC.

EDIT: Current lightning count = 20 in use (5x2 for fire, 4x2 for death, 2 for MA), so we have 7 remaining lightnings for 3 decks.

[Higurashi]

BoneBolt+Mummytal is by far the best deck we can bring against Darkness and we should definitely do so. Purify in a Grabbow isn't much of a concern since Arsenic piles on both physical and poison, and Mummies and Lightning can finish off.

[deuce22]

BoneBolt+Mummytal is by far the best deck we can bring against Darkness and we should definitely do so. Purify in a Grabbow isn't much of a concern since Arsenic piles on both physical and poison, and Mummies and Lightning can finish off.

Any thoughts on this build before I start testing it?

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