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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg344913#msg344913
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2011, 02:51:17 pm »
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I was talking about the single Fractal+Spider you had in the Monoaether vs. Time.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg344933#msg344933
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2011, 04:28:34 pm »
If we go mono-aether against :time, I think that leaves us with 3 dims for all of our remaining decks.
6. We have 12 in the standing vault. Probably gonna bring some against UW then, and hope they don't bring Gravy Shield. Heck, might as well bring Spider+Fractal there. It's more practical there than against Time (especially considering that dangerous Quicksand+Procrast deck), and Lightnings would be very good against Time to either kill off few Ghosts in a denial deck or slow down their Fractal in Scarabtal.
woops, for some reason I was thinking EP and Eva's decks were switched. Anyway, not sure if spidertal is best against UW because of pandas, OEs, other CC, fog, and wings (do they have a gravy shield?). If :time uses quicksand + procrast, monoaether is still better because all you need is 1 pill or pend, and you can refresh your dims every 3 turns. It's a boring game, but a hard counter. scarabtal is capable of beating monoaether because of the 2 deflags and creature swarm, but that would take some cruel RNG. Not sure what cards jen-i would up though. in the past it's been deflags and fog, maybe she'll up some scarabs?
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Cruel RNG indeed :/

Jen will probably be upping Scarabs in this situation, as there's nothing better to up (unless there are a few cheap splash cards that benefit more from upping).
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg344935#msg344935
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2011, 04:35:47 pm »
You're right. Bonebolt definitely has a decent chance against FSS. Possibly >50% depending on the build.

UPDATE: UT and I just had a strategy session in irc since no one else cared to join. Here is a summary of what we came up with.

 :fire = 2x bonebolt with fractal
-previously discussed
Agree.
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:death = devtal (to non-Lt/Gen) and Fire stall (to Lt/Gen)
-we figured that they will use the SS stall against us again, and it works much better with upped cards, so an easy counter to that is firestall
-with their grabbow gone (might have more?), devtal should be able to beat all of their unupped decks
I'll check on the likelihood of another grabbow, give me some time. Will firestall beat their other decks, or is it purely a counter because we expect EQ/SS?
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:entropy = grabbow
-grabbow is win for us
Never tested this, but eva/you/pika seem to always agree here.
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:darkness = poisonbolt
-expecting grabbow here, but could see PU dragons as well. This seems like a logical counter to both. But open to other ideas
Darkness may still have a Purify, from what I recall it should be doubtful, but we should tread cautiously here. If we can find another solution, I would be more comfortable with that.
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:time = mono-aether
-should beat everything they can throw at us, but needs further testing. While I hate using 6 dims against a weak opponent, beating them this round means another easy win next round.
Not many of our decks use dims at this stage of the game, so if we can take an easy win with it and keep the few dims we have left, that's a good thing. This deck makes sense, it's EQ resistant, time doesn't have much PC to deal with dims in their grabbow, GotP dies to lightning, and phase dragons are resistant to RT. Actually, anything dim-heavy would be something to consider and test.
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:underworld = EQ Phase dragons
-wondering how functional their immonova deck might actually be (if at all), so the low-risk play is to use EQ. They also have a lot of CC, so Phase dragons are probably better than grabbies. Open to other ideas, but this seems like the low-risk, high reward play.
UW is always a strange team to analyze. This sounds good, but I'll take a deeper look in the next bit.
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Obviously the event card can change things pretty drastically, but I think this is a good starting point.
Indeed. And I see that Round 9 isn't up. I'm not going to be happy if we only get 2.5 days of deckbuilding again.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345165#msg345165
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2011, 12:12:14 am »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27164.0.html

Hmm.

What are the odds that someone might try joining #aether with this in place?

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345167#msg345167
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2011, 12:14:01 am »
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345256#msg345256
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2011, 03:20:07 am »
looks like kael is back, and will be posting Round 9 as soon as he can.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345287#msg345287
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2011, 04:53:53 am »
Updated all strategy threads with matches of each team, will do some analysis tonight or tomorrow, no time to be in chat.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345288#msg345288
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2011, 04:56:01 am »
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345299#msg345299
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2011, 05:27:28 am »
Ugh, Fractix variants from :fire, and that annoying SS stall with Titanium Shields from :death could show up anywhere now that the Event card.
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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345408#msg345408
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2011, 01:28:50 pm »
After looking at :death's remaining decks, I think sanc stall is a great play there. It should be able to beat their SS stall, their poison dim stall, and their fire duo.

EDIT: Reclustal is a potential threat, which would likely kill sanc stall...

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345447#msg345447
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2011, 03:14:32 pm »
Dropping of a preliminary grabbow.

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With Fried Cats out of the way though, I might be able to pull a firestall.

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Re: Round 9 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27030.msg345468#msg345468
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2011, 04:20:27 pm »
Conversation about fire and why they can't send fractix (hooray!)
http://pastie.org/2014368
some UW talk
http://pastie.org/2014490
Why darkness can't have pu dim dragon
http://pastie.org/2014566
Darkness solutions? (nope)
http://pastie.org/2014665
Death?
http://pastie.org/2014922
http://pastie.org/2015055
Miscellaneous fire/death talk
http://pastie.org/2015193
Last paste for now:
http://pastie.org/2015490

 

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