Round 8 - Main Topic

[hainkarga]

Let's explore possibilities.

First card:
A meta game card. Not this round but on the rounds after that, stuff like extra fractals helps us cover phoenix / mummy / frog saves. As in we save the non-aether cards knowing that we have extra fractals stocked. It also helps us support extra phase dragons in case we run multiple MA or if our MA loses. We can't save any cards this round, so stocking up some phase dragons & fractals can be a good idea. Unless we run MA this round, this seems to be the only choice.

Second card: We can choose this one and make two decks with extra upgrades .
Think simple. Its fast, also can replace lightnings with dimensional shields.
Gen. deck

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MA lt deck.

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Third card: Like mrpaper says. We can run double MA decks. One he posted;

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And another like this one;

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My vouch is event card #1. Get 3 fractals and 3 phase dragons while preserving enough decks or salvage some silences to surprise our opponents. If not, #2 with the decks i posted above. But then again, i won't probably get to play anymore till the end, so its only fair your say so has a higher weight.

Against this round; Surprise attack (edited for more pillars)

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[Higurashi]

Hm.. looking at the 18 crappy (except Fenix+Deflag, but we already have that) cards we can salvage, Event Card #1 could be incredible if we won most our duels this Round, keeping our duos intact, and got a ton of Dim Shields with the Event Card. PC is starting to run low in several teams, and this is a gamble that could give us a gigantic edge.

But that relies on keeping most of our duos this Round, and the other two Event cards can be used to increase deck power instead, so they work opposite in a way.

Silence Fractal Frogs doesn't seem to be able to beat anything but Entropy's Fire duo. Last round they used Wings Duo, Nightmare in their Dark duo, TADAbow (even stronger if they go with Marked event card), Pandebonium and Monocards (Pande).

We need either stamina to beat most their decks, i.e. BoneBolt or Monoaether,
or we go on the counter-offense with NovaGrabby. Since we've sent that against them several times, they might go Wings or Pandebonium if they can save that one (it lost in R7). MA will definitely beat Wings, but it will be luck-based vs. Pandebonium. BoneBolt will struggle with Wings since we have to Fractal Mummies on top of the 4 Poisons and all their attackers are above 5 HP, but it should win against Pandebonium.

[hainkarga]

I suppose we can get to dispose of frogs along with most of the salvage for more aether cards if we choose event card #1. Phoenixes are better fractal target anyway and we have enough. About the silence deck, it can have phoenixes instead of frogs ofc, which gets through wings and cc.  i posted that deck just to be more colorful.

[mrpaper]

convert the few cards left that we can to make more MA?? we already can make 2 of those... Heck we could do 3 if we we're to make crappy ones, so why would we want more aether cards?  we will get stuck with little options and become 100% predictable.  On the other hand, 2 MA are almost 100% wins with the tons of upgrades we can get.  Also remember with the new 30-0 rule, the decks will be really easy to predict next round so we want to keep options open!

[Higurashi]

Um, no. I said we could convert most of the crappy salvage.

[mrpaper]

crappy salvage is less then 10 cards if we don't count the converting we already do anyway.  Not worth avoiding the bonus... and don't forget people will come at us with tons of uppeds cards too.. so it will be real hard to  win for us if don't do the same

[Higurashi]

Yes, I've mentioned that.

[mrpaper]

Btw, more reasons NOT to go for option #1 if everyone ain't convinced yet... Our few remaining crappy cards will be used to be converted into pillars/pends as soon as we get a loss because we won't have enough so we need a few of those.  Also, warmasters have been clear that war ends 2 rounds from now, so don't be surprise if round #9 says something like "flooding in the basement" every team loses 25 cards or 25% of what's left.  That, or having a match that you lose 10 card extra for every match loss ( you win 3-1, you still lose 10 cards... you lose 3-1, you lose 60 cards).  Whatever it will be, it will be a way to make teams lose tons of cards so lets be sure we keep as many decks alive till then.  That way is with 2 almost automatic wins MA power!  Oh and I believe we will be one of the few able to field 2 monos since there are so many duos and rainbow lefts in other teams.. but that we will see soon!

[hainkarga]

Option 1:
We have 9 fractals and 4 creature packs to fractal. What i mean is we have sufficient creatures (3 mummies, 4 frogs, 9 phoenixes) to field 4 fractal decks but can barely support 3 fractal decks (3 for each 3 deck = 9 fractal). So we have useless frogs at hand because we rather fractal the other stuff.
Besides that, right now the vault with a sensible initial salvage (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqCh8-BfWOzYdGd5YU9TMkhMM0xwRGVnTUlyZ19YTlE&hl=en_US#gid=35) holds 51 pillars / pendulums. Assuming we use 13-14 pillars for 3 decks and 7 pillars for graboid, we can damn 4-5 pillars, even a single phoenix.

Conclusion: If we are to choose this event card, we have 7 to 9 cards that we can convert to aether cards without losing any one of the graboid / bonebolt with fractal mummies / double fractix / MA decks at all. Those 8 cards can be any combination of fractals / dimensional shields or silences to surprise our opponents.


Option 2:
The only non-MA deck with aether mark we can build is frogtal. I tried to use entropy pendulums and time pendulums but they have no support at all. So any other choice than fielding a MA along with Frogtal is a bad choice compared to option 3. What we can do is fielding double MA and a frogtal to maximize upgraded cards while using decent decks. And in order to maximize benefit, Gen & Lie could use two of these decks. Not judging if they are suitable decks against our current opponents.

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Option 3:
To maximize the benefit, we should take both of the MA (with dragons) & MA (with PU phase recluse & double dragons) plus two of [Bonebolt - Fractix - Another fractix - Graboid - Frogtal]

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**Decks fielding single MA are same as above minus the recluse deck, plus one of the other decks. Fielding only one MA means increasing the chances of 1 / 4 of the matches to win by sacrificing new deckbuilding / vault polishing advantage of option 1.

** The decks i posted in opt2 and opt3 have same amount of upgrades in total. The difference is option two is  spreaded among three decks and uses some odd deck in an attempt to make use of the event card, and the balance changes if non-lie non-gen members take those decks. Again, I'm not judging here the efficiency of the decks nor if they are suitable counters.

My analysis:
- If we choose Event card #1: we get new 7 to 9 aether cards without losing any deck we used on round7  while having enough pillars for 4 decks in round8. The only condition is using graboid this round.
- If we choose Event card #2: we need to field fractal frogs or it wouldn't make much sense. Any other case makes option 3 better.
- If we choose Event card #3: we better field double MA. Single MA increase winning chance of only one of the matches in which case option 1 is better.

My personal choice:
Event card #1
 

[mrpaper]

good analysis... but the picture still seems cryastal clear to me that option 3 remains the best.  Option 2 will be just like option 3 but a bit weaker and option 1 doesn't bring many victories to the table!  And it is time we make choices and enter em

[Higurashi]

While Event Card #1 is still tempting, objectively speaking getting a few more Aether cards is nothing compared to getting a loss, especially at this point in time. War has fully become about losing as little as possible rather than winning. With that in mind, I won't be surprised to see a scenario where a team gets a bye and rides to victory on that when the other teams are low.

So, assuming we focus 100% on not losing, Event Card 3 is the best one. But the most important question remains: who should we send MA against? Thanks to the combination of Lightnings and Dims, PC won't doom us into getting OTK'd by the likes of Graboid or denial decks, and it actually looks like we can send MA against Entropy with a build like that.

Unfortunately we haven't been keeping a record of other vaults, so for me it looks like a toss-up with the rest.

[hainkarga]

Option 3 it is! Next question is two MA or one MA ?

I sometimes check out all of the rounds for this or that team attempting to understand what they have, but i don't much make notes of it. I wanted to keep up my initial thread but its very exhausting at work since a while. Its friday so i'll have a look at their vaults but i'm tired too :S
Don't have much time left, we better make some decks already now that we finally chose an event card.

Ps: I still rather damn the frogs and take chargers for future since we are free to choose between them atm. The fractals versus fractalable creature card balance issue still stands. Not enough fractals and we can PU chargers.
Other alternatives to frogs are momentum and chaos seed. Or we can keep them. What do you think ?