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Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428450#msg428450
« on: November 20, 2011, 11:49:03 pm »
Standing vault:
Click here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqCh8-BfWOzYdGd5YU9TMkhMM0xwRGVnTUlyZ19YTlE&hl=en_US#gid=35) to see our vault before any salvages or saves from losing decks. 100 cards, vault updated but no save / salvage done yet.

6x2 salvage coming from winning decks.
And the saves are:
- 4 from mrpaper's deck.
- 5 from evaria's deck.
- 4 cards from hainkarga's deck.
- 4 from odii's deck.

So total of 100 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 5 + 4 + 4  = 129 card, matching our standing vault in the related topic.

Discard pile:
save 4 from mrpaper's deck.
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save 5 from evaria's deck.
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save 4 from hainkarga's deck.
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save 4 from odii odsen's deck.
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Salvage pile:
Salvage 6 from Higurashi's win.
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Salvage 6 from UTAlan's win
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Final discards & saves (29 cards):

Matchups:
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3:aether Lt. mrpapervs:time bjessee
7:entropy Gumbehvs:aether Gen. Higurashi
14:life Lt. The Mormegilvs:aether EvaRia
Decks for round 7:
Higurashi
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mrpaper
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Evaria
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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428453#msg428453
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 11:58:04 pm »
First off, the event card. Naturally most pick me for communication, and Jappert approached me today. He wants to survive, swapping RR's matchup with Death for our matchup with Lt. from Life. Then he looked at Life's deck and changed his mind. I gave him some time to mull it over. In conclusion, hilarious event card x)

Personally, I think our matchups are pretty much perfect. We can field our strongest against Entropy and should do so. I've learnt one lesson very well, and that's the fact that teams -have- to try to take down the leaders, or it's going to be a one-sided War. We can also kick Time in the ribs, which they still need, and Life is a statistically easy matchup.

So I'm initially reluctant to swap any matchups.
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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428455#msg428455
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 12:00:28 am »
Judging by the appearance of our vault before save & salvage;

- We have graboid & bonebolt decks alive.
- We can't possibly craft any other decks except mono aether.
- 16 pendulums and 5 pillars, we gotta save some or convert some.
- Our fractals are depleted (only 2 left), we gotta save some. Rest of the :aether cards can hold good for a few rounds.


The salvage;
- Allows us to make an entropy duo. PU purple dragons with discords.
- Allows us to make fractal frogs.
- Allows us to make flying discords deck.
- Or we just take aether cards and convert the rest.

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- Allows us to reincarnate fractix deck.
- Devourer deck can hardly be saved. Maybe only fractal vampires w/o devourers.
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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428457#msg428457
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 12:02:04 am »
5 pillars and 16 pends are defently not enough to make 3 decks so we will need to save/convert about 18 more.  To decide our decks, maybe we should try to hurry and switch an opponent if we are to do that.  We will get to save Higs and  Ut decks, but we might wanna change those a bit too.

Life only has a stall with dimension shields left and some leftovers we don't know (possibly going for discord or even with bh to make a trio)  We need to watch out for deckout and fractal dragons in the stall.  So steals or deflag are a must here.  Lightnings to prevent adren rushes if any are left too.

Time has a poison deck with rt, they can keep wings if they think we will come with graboids here, they have a fractal gotp with rt and Ds to stall if needed, they have a stall with sanct also, plus they have many graboids and hourglases that we need to think of.

Entropy, besides being able to come at us with every entropy card or so, has steals, a pandebonuim combo, 2 graboid decks with some BH/disco combo.

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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428462#msg428462
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 12:15:01 am »
Vamptal is quite decent with Lightning and Dims that we have, but the only decks we really need to save are Fractix and NovaGrabby (still lots of Discord action left). BoneBolt is nice and all, but the former two decks cover our biggest weaknesses right now (getting stalled and Discord/EQ'd). If we had a Bone Dragon, it'd be much more versatile.

I can see us doing Discord duo with an Lt. or Gen. for those Recluses and faster quanta. Not sold on PU Purples from past experience, but whatever goes when in need.
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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428486#msg428486
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 01:40:26 am »
Life is a statistically easy matchup... which gives me the feeling that they might want to swap us for someone else.

Counter-decking is a lot harder when your matchups could change at random. So I need to be careful.

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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428512#msg428512
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 02:30:11 am »
Evaria, you are right... which is why we might wanna switch a match to get an advantage here ... we could even be sneaky and switch a time or entropy match for another of the same element, which would be easy to do, wouldnt change our decks, but we would get to face a weak counter since time (or entropy) would be making a deck to face earth for exemple.  We might take a beast down by doing this, making it a loss for a leader in war.

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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428753#msg428753
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 04:30:55 pm »
You mean for example to switch  :aether vs  :entropy with  :death vs.  :entropy, then its still  :aether vs.  :entropy but they wouldn't expect that, but they can also switch. Thats a very confusing round.
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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428762#msg428762
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 04:49:48 pm »
exactly Odii, and yes it is confusing.. but let's take that to our advantage, not only suffer the consequences

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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428770#msg428770
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 05:18:48 pm »
I like the idea, its a bit risky and we need a bit luck, but it could works. I think, our opponents will switch theit match against us too.
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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428783#msg428783
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2011, 06:08:41 pm »
Evaria, you are right... which is why we might wanna switch a match to get an advantage here ... we could even be sneaky and switch a time or entropy match for another of the same element, which would be easy to do, wouldnt change our decks, but we would get to face a weak counter since time (or entropy) would be making a deck to face earth for exemple.  We might take a beast down by doing this, making it a loss for a leader in war.
The problem is, we need to get another team to agree to make that switch with us. It's not impossible, but we should start the negotiations now if we want to do something weird like that.

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Re: Round 7 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33966.msg428891#msg428891
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2011, 10:30:27 pm »
I have a deal in hand .. switching my deck for TORB deck (darkness general) .. we both fight time soldiers...

pros:
they might suicide against him since he's a general and it's hard to win against him
we can use dim shields + dragons here (mono aether) here since they won't expect it
Mono aether gives us more options for the other 2 decks
they have a good record against us this war so we are not likely to counter em otherwise
Darkness rely a lot on steal, not much on permanents, so we are not likely to get deflagged or stealed

cons:
hmmm I don't know, except for the fact we must hurry because darkness have another deal waiting.
switching time for time might have been possible, but that is our only other option.

say that you agree or don't as soon as you see this please and we will go on.

 

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