Round 6 - Main Topic

[EvaRia]

I can't see air being able to counter devtal reliably.

Unless someone would rather take it, I'll bring devtal.

[mrpaper]

Here is an attempt of a graboid deck to counter stalls, rushes and EQ decks.

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or..

by mrpaper

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[UTAlan]

For my matchup vs

by UTAlan

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Dim Shields don't look good with the possibility of Steals, so I loaded up on Lightnings and PUs instead. This pretty much stomps AdrenaVamps, but is probably about 50/50 with their duo (I had approx 75% win rate, but wasn't accounting for extra ups or AI play, so I'm guessing closer to 50%). Possible changes include upping Steal or dropping it for EQ (or dropping it altogether for a 30 card deck, but watching for deckout vs duo).

[hainkarga]

[Edited]

**Allright, here are the decks we can somewhat get a hold of using our vault and the salvage. The players who posted their desired decks in this topic, will find their decks here.

**Odii also wanted a graboid deck but fractal chargers should just do fine unless he doesn't like it in which case we need to discuss about what we can do. He either takes fractal chargers or trade a graboid with mrpaper or utalan.

**Obviously we can't take away steals from Evaria, at least not both of you, so please recheck your graboid decks and negotiate about it.

**For utalan, i was thinking a 2nd fractix deck for you. But its your call. I only removed your steal and gave it to Evaria, rest of your deck is intact. You may want to update that by checking our vault. Or you can steal mrpaper's steal if Evaria doesn't claim both

** I was eager for an 6x upped Phase Recluse deck for this round due to short swords. But i guess noone wants that.

**Higs might want to include fractal mummies, or change the deck by other means.

**Evaria. If you want you can have 2 dimensional shields but need to remove something else from the deck.

**At the bottom you can find cards used in these decks versus our current vault situation.

**Alternative maneuvers could be trading a graboid deck with 2nd fractix deck or fielding some mono aether deck or some rainbowish deck including GOTP salvage from deck with nightfall (ye i managed to make a working deck). Graboid users (utalan and mrpaper) could make a deck with supernovas and discords. It works.

** If any of you want to make any changes, please take the table below into consideration.

Evaria - devtal. I can see air using momentumed Dragons, so maybe we can replace the dimensional shields with more pendulums to outspeed it. I edited the deck to make it without DS.

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Alternative with DS

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[deck author=hainkarga]4t4 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7ta 7ta 7td 7td 81q 8pt

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mrpaper - rush

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by hainkarga

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utalan - graboid. Upped your steal, had to. Downed your pillar. you may want lobotomizer against a mitosis deck. Only removed the steal. If you want it, you will have to ninja from evaria or mrpaper.[/u]

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hainkarga - fractix. I will edit this one later.

by hainkarga

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odii sen - fractal chargers.

by hainkarga

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You can trade a 4th charger with a lightning. Or you can dispose of one/both of the short swords and get more pendulums / lobotomiser. Both are fine.

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Odii sen alternative fractal chargers decks;
With lobo and more pendulums.

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With 4 chargers:

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Higurashi - bonebolt stall

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**The red marks mean we exceeded our vault in those cards and should handle it using the salvage / conversions. I made it so that we can support all of those by salvaging. **

Card Used in decks Count in our Vault Dimensional Shield 9 15 Aether Pillar 19 10 Aether Pendulum 55 55 Lightning 16 17 Fractal 13 14 Parallel Universe 6 12 Phase Recluse 6 9 Deflagration 6 3 Phoenix 7 5 Burning Pillar 2 0 Fire Pendulum 2 0 Graboid 3 5 Devourer 5 5 Steal 2 2 Minor Vampire 3 3 Nightfall 2 2 Momentum 1 1 Sapphire Charger 4 0 Fog Shield 1 1 Arsenic 1 3 Bone Wall 6 7 Deadly Poison 4 4 Nova 5 6 Short Sword 10 infinite

The salvage to support the decks above:
From deck we salvage 6 cards:
4x Sapphire Charger
2x Lightning

From deck we salvage 6 cards:
2x Deflagration
4x Time Factory (To convert)

From deck we salvage 9 cards:
2x Burning Pillar
2x Fire Pendulum
1x Deflagration
3x Phoenix (for future double fractix)
1x Nightmare (to convert)

Now what we need is 9x Aether Pillars

Conversion (please comment on this):
1x Bonewall
1x Purify
1x Nightmare
2x Arsenic
4x Time Tower
All converted to 9 Aether Pillars

The salvage to support the decks above:
From deck we salvage 6 cards:
3x Sapphire Charger
2x Lightning
1x Graboid

From deck we salvage 6 cards:
2x Deflagration
4x Nova

From deck we salvage 9 cards:
2x Burning Pillar
2x Fire Pendulum
1x Deflagration
3x Phoenix (for future double fractix)
1x Nightmare (to convert)

Now what we need is 6x Aether Pillars

Conversion (please comment on this):
1x Bonewall
1x Purify
1x Nightmare
2x Arsenic
1x Aether Pendulum --> 1x Aether Pillar

[mrpaper]

My deck was only a first draw of something it could look like, I ain't so sure about it... And version 2 with EQ was much more better against the 2 stalls while it is not useless against rushes¸ since I have tools to slow him down.  Also when testing, I am suck with tons of earth quanta with version 1.  If that can't be done, at least switch a pendulum for a pillar and I'll test more to see if other stuff needs to be done.

[Odii Odsen]

I prefer this variation

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If its possible to use one Dim shield more, I would do that instead of a lightning. Plus a PU for the second lightning. I think, I won't need the lightnings.


Other ideas:

-1 Fractal, -2 Lightnings / + 1 Dim Shield, +2 PU

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-2 Lightnings / +1 Dim shield, +1 PU

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We could salvage other cards instead of Lightnings.

[hainkarga]

@mrpaper
Tbh, i still think you shouldn't go graboid. I find it a bad choice going double graboid decks this round which aether is at best "ok" about. Some of our good graboid cards have limited quantity to support double graboid decks (momentum etc). And i find it doubtful especially against . Earth has so many decks and we can't counter with an "almost ok" deck. Graboid deck's idea of speed doesn't go well with that many dimensional shields either. Utalan's graboid deck is better in that aspect since it goes much more aggressive, tho it probably needs one more upped graboid.
Altough everyone knows its effective against us, I doubt earth will use any EQ. Be it a fast earth deck or a stall, you can break it with a deck with a lot of creatures.

One thing is important; It is always a gamble with since they can just bring anything against us. So we need to go extreme in one aspect and hope they will have a soft point.

The thing about earth is that they wouldn't really use swarming decks against us unless they load some deflags too. The idea of DS just forces them to be cautious in deckbuilding. Stall deck, they can do, in which case all the DS in your deck would be dead cards. But if we bring a DSless deck, we have a good chance to beat them before their stall setup.

As far as i'm concerned, we shouldn't use graboid deck against earth. I'm even doubtful with utalan's choice.

We can work on your graboid deck together if you mean to use it. But please just consider this deck. It should break through most decks unless its really specialized against creature decks. This deck is a gamble, can render their deflags, steals, momentum etc useless and you can PU their big creatures if any. With so many cheap cards, EQs can hardly stop this either.

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Can also add a lobotomizer to this. Also if you use this, it should give some fresh room in the salvage process.

Or if their permanents concern you, this we can support and is fairly fast and we can support. More resillient against CC as phoenixes come back. We have 4 free phoenixes, so can add 1 more.

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@Odii Odsen
Unless Evaria wants them, there are 2 available DS. You can have them i guess. And everyone else's deck can use some good lightnings too.

[mrpaper]

allright Haink, did some test with youre deck and yes it good.. though it will be a no show if they come at use with Dimension shields and they use a TON of em!  Some tweaking to do in it...  +1 lightning, +2 pillars -3 pends

[Shaliyah]

As far as i'm concerned, we shouldn't use graboid deck against earth.

This! Personally I would pick a deck with PUs, dims and lightnings. Risky deck?  Yes indeed but the quanta will be enough for fast PUs and for lightnings to stop their rush.

[mrpaper]

I prefer this last version, I have no cc at all, but if they try to beat me with creatures, they are really unlikely to be faster then this deck!  So go for it!

[hainkarga]

Edited my above post, regarding mrpaper's & Odii's requests, the vault & used cards table and the salvage.

5x PU
2x Fractal

3x Lightning
6x DS
1x Fractal
6x PU
dragons & recluses

Are still available aether cards if anyone wants to make changes to his/her deck. Please recheck your decks when we still have enough time to modify stuff without a rush.


- I personally may get a lightning or DS. Or can get rid of a burning pillar for an extra deflag (which we can salvage from deck). Still have time, we will see tonite.
- Perhaps Hig's deck can use a single fractal and a single mummy just in case.
- Utalan's deck may use more graboids.
- May polish mrpaper's deck even more. Add a single fractal and remove the single lightning perhaps, in case to overrun a stall deck in late game.
- We can give a 3rd deflag to mrpaper for better PC
- Evaria's deck may use DS / lightning.
- May add a DS or an extra pendulum on odii's deck. Them chargers ain't cheap.

[mrpaper]

I don't want a 3rd deflag, I believe it might become a dead card and will slow my deck.  A fractal instead of a pu is interesting since I will fastly get an empt hand, fractal is really efficient, so yeah gimme one, but only one I'd rather have some Pu left in case I face a greater creature.