Round 4 - Main Topic

[EvaRia]

Gonna start adding what we have up so far.

Let me know if there are changes, usual stuff.

We gotta get this done today

[EvaRia]

I think I'm going with this:

by EvaRia

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The damage potential can out do the immortal pretty well, and wings does a pretty good job of shutting out grabbows.

[deuce22]

@Eva, I'm guessing you are hoping for no EQs?

as for me:

my current deck

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a possible mini sanc-stall

by deuce22

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a crazy modified version of will's mini sanc-stall (barely beats fried cats, which is my only concern with this deck)

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I don't have time to test these out tonight or tomorrow morning. So if anyone has time to test out these decks, I greatly appreciate it. If not, I will stick with my grabbow.

[EvaRia]

will has a deck for you.

Apparently it is full of win.

Come into chat for like, 30 secs?

[willng3]

deuce, I restructured the Grabbow to make it more of a direct counter to Entropy.  After extensive testing the deck has a 100% winrate againt Fried Cats and is 8-0 against SS.  I haven't gotten around to Pandebonium yet, unfortunately.  Anyways, the deck if you're interested:

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[pikachufan2164]

Looks kind of like the initial deck I was testing against Entropy last round, Will

(Mine had 2 Graboids instead of the Arsenic and Spirit, and 4 Lightnings + 4 Dim Shields instead). It's great against Fried Cat and Scrambled Shriekers (also fares quite well against mono-Entropy and Entropy/Darkness with Devourers, and OK against Entropy/Time with Rewinds). This should be better against Pandebonium than what I tested (my deck got absolutely pwned by AI Pandebonium), as you have the luxury of Arsenic stacking up poison damage for you (if played early) and helping clear out Bone Walls, and some extra direct damage in Lightnings.

[EvaRia]

Decks are up.

Tell me if there's any changes.

Next up, my actual job

EDIT: All that's left is converts.

What should we do for those?

[pikachufan2164]

Conversions essentially done; data loaded into my Vault tracking spreadsheets.

One suggestion: we still have 2 Gravity Pillars in our Vault -- it may be a wiser idea to convert those instead of say, 2 Phase Spiders (creatures are a valuable resource).

We're almost ready for the final tallies to be loaded into our actual Vault.

Alan, please note that your deck has changed slightly. It now has 5 Lightnings (was 6 before), because you have a good chance of being able to use Holy Light as CC on Darkness's creatures.

[Higurashi]

I don't see the value in salvaging Gravy pends or Amethyst pillars. It's smarter to take cards we can use while still using Aether pends and swap the mark instead. That way we can take more off-element cards and still fulfill the 50% Aether rule. Furthermore, we don't want others to salvage them.

Instead of Amethyst pillars: 1x Steal and 2x Discords, or just 3x Discords. The latter would let us take 2x Flying Weapons from Earth instead of 2x Discords. We can use Flying Weapon better than Discord, imo.
Instead of Gravy pends: 2x Armagios and 2x Rage Potion. More off-element CC is useful, and Pots can be used in our Fire duos. That lets us take 1x Armagio 2x Acceleration 3x Momentum, effectively swapping pends for Momentums.

If we really want the Pillars and Pends for specific decks, I'd like to see 'em. Looking at past Wars, I'm not likely to be convinced they're worth it, but we can convert a lot this time around so it doesn't matter as much.

[pikachufan2164]

I agree with what Higs said about not taking off-element pillars/pends here -- we do need to grab a few more Flying Weapons (3 is cutting it too close for comfort when we still have all those Arsenics and Titans sitting in our Vault. Also, taking off-element CC is helpful (I don't remember where I read this, but someone said it last War).

What I think might work here:

killsdazombies 2 Titan, 2 Armagio, 2 Rage Pot
We're generally good when it comes to our Deflag count, so Rage Pot has more utility here

truddy02 4 Bone Wall, 2 Poison
No change. A second Bonebolt is good :3

Spielkind 3 Flying Weapon, 2 Earthquake, 1 Basilisk Blood
We need more Flying Weapons. We really do.

Azumi 1 Armagio, 2 Acceleration, 3 Momentum
Momentums and Accelerations are STILL junk salvages, but at least they're good conversion bait.

Shantu 3 Discord, 3 Purple Dragon
We've got 6 Steals. I think we're good, right? Plus, We can now have Discords in our Panda Dragons >:D

As for conversions, we still have 2 Gravity Pillars sitting in the Vault and waiting to be converted.

[Higurashi]

I'm happy with every deck but Phys'. It might work for one game, but Legit is gonna save for burst damage the second time and Deflag Shields like nobody's business. Too much damage and denial, unless we get lucky. Tried it with Pandes, but the risk of RT makes me deck instead of them. If it wasn't for that, it really slaughters EQbow.

Liquid Obsidian failed again. Winrate is at about 50%. Not gonna take that again against ImmoPhoenix when it has EQ, Fog, Stiletto and Lightning. The version Eva used was inferior because it had Nightfalls, Lightnings and far too few pends, but even with 15 pends, two Steals and 4x2(+5 PU) of the combo, I win about half the time. A plain ImmoPhoenix keels over, which I've demonstrated in the past, but not this one.

I then tried different decks with Armagio since we do have 6 of them (Dims+Lobos+Lightnings+Armagios, PU Armagio, even Fractal Armagio), but they're barely more resistant. All our other decks are very strong though, so this is our luck-dependent matchup nr. 1. It's a bit annoying bringing the weakest one against Fire, but on the other hand we have Darkness, Entropy and Earth covered. Oh well, let's kick some ass!

[Higurashi]

Was gonna edit the salvages with what pika and I agreed on, but Eva has already tied the salvages with the conversions, so I'm leaving it as it is.

Edit: we can convert 3 Fractals instead of Amethyst Pillars, get Discords instead of Amethyst Pillars from Entropy and get Flying Weapons instead of Discords from Earth. I'll be doing that unless anyone has objections.

deuce and I agreed on the second version in the Salvaging topic. We rarely use Fractal outside of Devtal (it's best when I use it), and Silences haven't been helpful. They're probably gonna be the first thing to get converted from here on.