Vault

[Boingo]

Pillars and pendula aside, we need to think about what are the best cards for us from OTHER elements.

1.  Aether has no permanent control whatsoever.  To access steal, deflagration, butterfly effect, we need to incorporate those elements (likely through our mark) and think about what other cards within those elements we might also want (keeping decks duo).

2.  Since half our decks will need to be , you can bet other elements will be planning accordingly.  We want to maximize the efficiency of the cards we HAVE to use.
-Phase shield decks will be countered with steal, deflagration, momentum or quanta denial.  Enchant Artifact is one solution.
-Parallel universe doesn't have a lot of targets within , so we'll want to match up these cards with either inexpensive, midrange hitters from other elements or hope the opponent has creatures we can target.
-Lobotomizer is a great weapon, but we'll have to match it up against the right decks.  Like taking away momentum in our phase shield decks or against vampire, growth in our other decks.

3.  We may need a rainbow-like deck for the inevitable discord we will face.  An early discord means delayed phase shields and no aether creatures (too expensive).  A rainbow deck with low cost hitters + quint to avoid CC may be workable, but I haven't found one yet (think about quinted forest spirit for growth potential).  Novas will probably go in this deck in case we don't face an early discord and need a quick supply of quanta.

[More to come--have to go]

[icecoldbro]

Pillars and pendula aside, we need to think about what are the best cards for us from OTHER elements.

1.  Aether has no permanent control whatsoever.  To access steal, deflagration, butterfly effect, we need to incorporate those elements (likely through our mark) and think about what other cards within those elements we might also want (keeping decks duo).

2.  Since half our decks will need to be , you can bet other elements will be planning accordingly.  We want to maximize the efficiency of the cards we HAVE to use.
-Phase shield decks will be countered with steal, deflagration, momentum or quanta denial.  Enchant Artifact is one solution.
-Parallel universe doesn't have a lot of targets within , so we'll want to match up these cards with either inexpensive, midrange hitters from other elements or hope the opponent has creatures we can target.
-Lobotomizer is a great weapon, but we'll have to match it up against the right decks.  Like taking away momentum in our phase shield decks or against vampire, growth in our other decks.

3.  We may need a rainbow-like deck for the inevitable discord we will face.  An early discord means delayed phase shields and no aether creatures (too expensive).  A rainbow deck with low cost hitters + quint to avoid CC may be workable, but I haven't found one yet (think about quinted forest spirit for growth potential).  Novas will probably go in this deck in case we don't face an early discord and need a quick supply of quanta.

[More to come--have to go]

for the rainbow i think i should take it as im gonna be the only one with access to snova so im thinking spectres, grabs, and altough most people disagree i like fire spirits in one

[Dragoon1140]

I didn't realize the limit of in-element cards was changed from 18 to 24.  What is our total card count?
Thus, I say we pack:

75(?) - Pillar
25 - Pendulum
24 - Dimensional Shield
24 - D. Dragon
18 - Lightning
18 - Immortal
12 - PU
12 - Fractal
12 - Lobo
6 - Mindgate
6 - Quint
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6 - Protect Artifact
6 - Devourer
6 - Frog
6 - Sundial
6 - Deflag
6 - Steal

Obviously, change to suit the decks we decide to use.

[Toimu13]

75(?) - Pillar
25 - Pendulum

That will give us 8-9 Pillars and 2-3 Pendulums each.  Or 2-3 decks with Pendulums and 6-7 deck mono-Aether (mark any).  With 50% of the vault not being , I think we should run something closer to:

50-55 Pillars
60-65 Pendulums

Even if you are running a mono deck, 2 stacks is better vs Earthquake.

IMO, the best from each element that would work for PvP. 

Note: All decks do not have to be duo-Aether/something, we can go mono-Aether for one deck, and duo something/something else for another.

  Fog Shield, Wings, Wyrm
 
  Steal, Devourer, Vampire

  Poison

  Graboid, Enchant Artifact, Earthquake

  Lycanthrope, Antimatter, Discord, Butterfly Effect (doesn't work in non-upped mono-Entropy decks)

  Fire Bolt, Deflagration, Rain of Fire, Fire Spirit, Lava Golem, Phoenix, just about all really...

  Sapphire Charger, Black Hole

  Horned Frog, Forest Spirit, Heal, Adrenline

  Blessing, Miracle

  Sundial, Eternity, Anubis (might work very well for us)

  Blue Crawler, Freeze, Mind Flayer, Purify, Ice Shield

[Boingo]

That will give us 8-9 Pillars and 2-3 Pendulums each.  Or 2-3 decks with Pendulums and 6-7 deck mono-Aether (mark any).  With 50% of the vault not being , I think we should run something closer to:

I know it's a minor point, but we don't have to limit the deck to 50% non-aether--we can't have more than 50% non-aether, but we could have less.

for the rainbow i think i should take it as im gonna be the only one with access to snova so im thinking spectres, grabs, and altough most people disagree i like fire spirits in one

You can run a rainbow deck without Supernovas  (don't forget quantum pillars after all.) 

Here's an example of a 50% aether "rainbow" without SNovas or quantum pillars.  It's something I threw together quickly, so not nearly optimizedd but it beats AI3 more often than not.  It helps to have nova x2 in first round or so, and actually does better if you get your discord stolen (since it redistributes the quanta for you.) That said, it packs some perm control and creature control too.  It won't win any awards, but I doubt many opponents are expecting a rainbow from aether.

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[Toimu13]

That will give us 8-9 Pillars and 2-3 Pendulums each.  Or 2-3 decks with Pendulums and 6-7 deck mono-Aether (mark any).  With 50% of the vault not being , I think we should run something closer to:

I know it's a minor point, but we don't have to limit the deck to 50% non-aether--we can't have more than 50% non-aether, but we could have less.

Vault building rules:
- at least 50% of cards have to be from your element
- maximum of 24 per card from your element (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- maximum of 12 per card from other elements (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- no Shards

I was speaking about the vault.  Decks (well 2-3) can be 100% non-Aether if we want.  We just have to balance it out by running 2-3 decks 100% .  And that might be a really great idea vs some elements.

[Boingo]

My typing fail--i meant to say we don't have to have 50% of our vault be non-aether (not just decks)--we could have 40% non-aether, for example.   I think if we focus on decks that will win first round and matching up the decks well with the likely opponent decks, we can pick up some good cards from opponent's too.

Do we want quantum pillars?  They may help in some situations (rainbow decks, holding off devourers, if we do a mutant/fate egg deck).

[mrpaper]

some ppl have talked of it a bit, but a combo of devourer with fractal can be deadly and it's a deck I use a lot, I add a few drain life and most importantly, my black nymph and it's a great recipe    So those must be includes!

[Boingo]

some ppl have talked of it a bit, but a combo of devourer with fractal can be deadly and it's a deck I use a lot, I add a few drain life and most importantly, my black nymph and it's a great recipe    So those must be includes!

sounds like a good idea--can you post the deck in the Decks for review thread?  thanks!