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Re: Round 1 fights https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488351#msg488351
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 11:20:29 am »
Thank you for doing this analysis hain!

I think we may have to start individual threads for each element. And move your analysis to those threads.

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Re: Round 1 fights https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488382#msg488382
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 12:54:28 pm »
And eventually move to google docs.
Sadly, i got so much work to do (Real life), even in the weekends.
I will spend all my remaining free time to build the framework.
Until that, lets gather all available intel.

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Re: Round 1 fights https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488406#msg488406
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 02:13:59 pm »
I'll keep updating all 6 opponents. But this data is mostly useful for round#1 only since we haven't seen any of our opponent's vaults. We need to check our opponents' opponents in order to properly tap into their state of mind. For example, we could think that team time could use graboids against us but maybe they would rather use it on a different team which would be much more beneficial for them in which case we should consider that deck "less likely".
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Re: Round 1 fights https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488489#msg488489
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2012, 06:07:24 pm »
Alright, first round is for scouting. I wouldn't send our new decks out this time, would rather stay a bit traditional while maintaining effectiveness.

Also, hate this Event Card, but... Maybe we should bid 2 pendulums and convert salvage. One card bids are going to be common for generals not interested in a relic (most), and two card bids will be common from generals that would like a relic but won't spend many cards. We have a nice chance to get a relic along some other teams, while if someone spends more than 2 cards on this, well... his choice. Ups are nice, especially with our Vault choice.

As for matchups... Life is going to be a mindgame: Will perfectly knows the advantages we have. Devtal crushes most of their decks except those who are built to counter it. If I know him, he'd be more worried about lightnings than Dims here. He will probably use a stall, possibly with Sanctuaries. Maybe the light stall would be a good idea here, since he's likely to employ heavy healing and we'll need some punch. I don't know, Will's going to try and be unpredictable. Beware Adrenavamps as that can work.

Earth is tough due to EQs. They can't really know what our Vault is, but I kind of expect the worse. I'd use a graboid EQ RT deck against us. Maybe the earth stall with EAs to protect our pendulums?

Air is a nice matchup. I would say that they will try a fire duo, or a darkness duo. Might go FFQ Hope too. Fractix with the lobos?

Death is... tough. .-. I seriously have no idea on what to play here. Maybe the light stall.

Entropy is possibly even tougher, they'll likely expect a grabbow and prepare a discord CC deck. Well... I don't see many alternatives in any case.

Time is weak to Bonebolt, but has proven capable of killing it. Devtal?

At this point, I am likely to bid 1. There will likely be a few to bid 2, and 1 maybe 2 that will bid 3 or more. I don't want to toss more cards out of the vault for absolutely no gain.

Plus, whoever wins the relics is going to be a prime target to get attacked by support teams. Which is one reason why I think we may go x2 defense in round 2, but we will see.

Will analyze matchups later. One thing I definitely do not want to do at this point is to send cards of the same element as our opponent.


UPDATE: posted my initial thoughts in chat. Probably won't spend any more time on it tonight. We need to look at the initial vaults from last war and figure out what deck ideas we can expect from our opponents.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488497#msg488497
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2012, 06:23:09 pm »
In terms of assignments, here are my current thoughts

 :life - Gen. me

 :earth - Lt or Salvager

 :death - Lt or Salvager

 :air - Scout

 :time - Strategist

 :entropy - Assassin

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488516#msg488516
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2012, 07:26:12 pm »
In terms of assignments, here are my current thoughts

 :life - Gen. me

 :earth - Lt or Salvager

 :death - Lt or Salvager

 :air - Scout

 :time - Strategist

 :entropy - Assassin

I would assign Salvager to our easiest matchup. Which it is, I don't know.
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg488526#msg488526
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2012, 08:05:26 pm »
In terms of assignments, here are my current thoughts

 :life - Gen. me

 :earth - Lt or Salvager

 :death - Lt or Salvager

 :air - Scout

 :time - Strategist

 :entropy - Assassin

I would assign Salvager to our easiest matchup. Which it is, I don't know.

I noticed that while in chat, I just haven't updated that post. For some reason I was thinking salvager got +3 salvage :P

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg489661#msg489661
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 06:20:46 pm »
Current decks and assignments are posted.

Still doing some testing atm, so things could change. Hop in the war docs chat if you have time.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg489814#msg489814
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 01:36:51 am »
Pretty sure vault is finalized. If you have any concerns, please post them here. In about 8 hours will be the last time I'm online before the deadline.

Also, I moved the roles around a bit, so make sure you know your matchup and test your deck as needed.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg489958#msg489958
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2012, 08:57:49 am »
It's probably too late for that, and I tested against entropy not air, but I think my matchup is doomed. Pestal fails in testing and reverse testing against deflag splash, which is one of the most likely choices against us.
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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg489961#msg489961
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2012, 09:05:13 am »
Really ? It is not too late as long as you have a decent alternative. We have 6 hours and i can help you after i return from lunch 1-1.5 hrs later. See you in chat.

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Re: Round 1 - Main Topic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39232.msg489962#msg489962
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2012, 09:08:43 am »
Really ? It is not too late as long as you have a decent alternative. We have 6 hours and i can help you after i return from lunch 1-1.5 hrs later. See you in chat.

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This. I have 30 min right now.

 

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