Decks for rewiew by the team

[Boingo]

Mutation, Fall Elf - MIGHT get lucky with destroy or steal.  Can not depend on it at all!

 
Pulverizer - Needs / to use.
Earthquake - Only targets Pillars.

 
Deflagation - We should take all we can.

 
Trident - Needs / to use and only targets Pillars.

 
Steal -  We should take some.

If we are taking some Steals, we should take some Devourers.  If we are taking those two cards, we should look at a Fractal Devourer deck.  If we are going to build that deck, we need Black Dragons and Nightfall.  I guess any  / deck could use those 4 cards without needing to be a Fractal deck.

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My conclusion is we should consider not using ANY in our vault.  That will force us to use decks as our main PC.  With Immortals, Phase Dragons, Quintessences, and Fractals, our main (Permanent Item) threat will come from Fire Shields and Thorn Carapaces.  How much PC should we take to defend against those?

I agree--cannot depend on for PC (even butterfly effect, which is reliable, is too expensive for us.)  I doubt anyone (even ) is going to take Trident because it requires 2 elements, you can always use earthquake instead, and it can be stolen.  There will be plenty of pulverizers I'm guessing, but not for us--we cannot get 5 and 2 consistently in a 50% aether deck to make it work.  Plus we'd have to protect it.

Deflag and steal are required for us since we don't have any native PC--and probably deflag > steal because it is cheaper.  Still, I don't think we can say no to devourers since they are a natural fit for fractal (the only better card imho for fractal is UPPED phoenix or RoL, but we won't see much of that except from Master decks (maybe).)  If it were up to me, I'd say keep the devourers, steals and think about dragons vs vampires.  Remember, we'll likely play against and they'd be silly not to deprive an aether deck of quanta and therefore likely use devourers.  That means we don't need to pack nightfall since they likely will.  It'll just be a race of who can deprive better/faster.

[Boingo]

Stall Deck Ideas - This comes down to 2 ways, with or without Dim Shields.  I was trying to tweak that / Stall deck and got this:

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Good work, but the trouble with this deck is the Eternities don't have anything to rewind.  Therefore they can only rewind enemy creatures which will never cause deckout.  Maybe give one -1 immortal +1 phase spider (or +1 deja vu since time will not be used for anything else) to rewind.  Otherwise, consider scrapping them and just putting in some lobotomizers for CC. 

Another option is to use Eternity + mindgates.  When you mindgate a creature/pillar/spell you like, you rewind one of their creatures so you can draw it again next turn.  Let me know your thoughts.  Anubis is added given the elements involved and wanting to keep your non-immortals on the playing field, but he's probably over the top:

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[Dragoon1140]

Stall Deck Ideas - Great vs Teams with small Vaults ( ) because we know they are less likely to built deckout decks.

I can almost promise you that Darkness will go Fractal Devs, regardless of vault, it is just too good of a counter to us.

[Dragoon1140]

Stall Deck Ideas - Great vs Teams with small Vaults ( ) because we know they are less likely to built deckout decks.

I can almost promise you that Darkness will go Fractal Devs, regardless of vault, it is just too good of a counter to us.

I'm sure 1-3 decks (They can not have more than 12 Fractals) will be like that.  But what about the others?

Others?  Unless we play them more than twice in one round, we don't have to worry about anything else right now from them.   

[Dragoon1140]

Whoa, I need to read up on how the rounds will be fought.  I was thinking it was going to be our 9 vs their 9.

Yea, read up.  Every person on the team fights a random element.

[Toimu13]

Please feel free to correct or suggest changes.

Interchangeable Deck Aspects

Creature Control (CC): Stops creatures from attacking or using skills by killing, freezing, rewinding, blocking with shields, ect...

Another nice deck by Boingo.

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Mutation, Fall Elf - MIGHT get lucky with destroy or steal.  Can not depend on it at all!
Butterfly Effect - Cost a lot.

 
Pulverizer - Needs / to use.
Earthquake - Only targets Pillars.

 
Deflagation

 
Trident - Needs / to use and only targets Pillars.

 
Steal

If we are taking some Steals, we should take some Devourers.  If we are taking those two cards, we should look at a Fractal Devourer deck.  If we are going to build that deck, we need Black Dragons and Nightfall.  I guess any  / deck could use those 4 cards without needing to be a Fractal deck.

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My conclusion is we should consider not using any of some elements in our vault such as .  That will force us to use decks as our main PC.  With Immortals, Phase Dragons, Quintessences, and Fractals, our main (Permanent Item) threat will come from Fire Shields and Thorn Carapaces.  How much PC should we take to defend against those?

PC with Fire

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 Great vs Teams with small Vaults ( ) because we know they are less likely to built deckout decks.

This comes down to 2 ways, with or without Dim Shields.  I was trying to tweak that / Stall deck and got this:

/ Stall
Another modified Boingo deck, keep rewinding the Spider until the enemy deckout.

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A modified version of Boingo's posted below.  A mindgate needs Novas and/or Quantum Pillars.

/ Stall

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Vampire - Works well with Fractal decks.  Adrenaline Vampire works well with Parallel Universe.  Nightfall would be a great help to both decks.

 
Heal, Druidic Staff.  Nice addition to Life rush decks or Life creature spam decks.

 
Holy Light - Only heals for 10HP, most people don't seem to waste the deck (much less Vault) space to use this card.
Miracle - Cost 15 , but can save you if you draw it and can use it at the correct time.

After looking closer at what we can do with / decks, I see 2 important things.  is 1 of 2 elements that has non-Pillar PC and is 1 of 3 elements that has healing.

Because we are talking about using only Pillars/Pendulums, we can not make an Adrenaline Vampire deck.  A Fractal (some creature) deck will need a lot more Quantum than Pendulums/Mark will generate, so we need to Fractal Devourers to produce enough Quantum before we can Fractal another creature.

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Balanced deck.

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Rush: Doing damage very fast usually killing the person in 5-6 turns.

Creature Spam: Having a lot of creatures out, more than 10 usually.

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Boingo and I are testing Fractal decks.  He has a nicer one, but here is the one I used.

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This is a start on trying to mix the two:

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Some decks have a balance of a few of these while other decks focus on doing one or two very well.  Over all, most decks fit into 3 categories; Rush, Stall, or Balanced.  We need to decide about what percentage of each deck we want to be able to use. At the start, we will only have enough cards to build 12 decks and there are 9 of us.

IMO
  0-1 (Stall/Damage)
  1-2 (PC/Quantum Denial/Healing)
  0-1 (Poison to help Stalls)
  0-1 (Rush/Quantum Denial)
  0-1 (Rainbow Helper)
  1-2 (PC/CC/Good Damage)
  1-2 (Quantum Denial/By pass Shields)
  1-2 (Rush/Healing)
  0-1 (Blessing/Healing)
  1-2 (Stall/Draw Denial)
  0-1 (Stall/Damage)

We can not take all, but I don't think we should take more than this many.

[Boingo]

First off, great summary of our deckbuilding needs and wants.

Creature Control (CC): Stops creatures from attacking or using skills by killing, freezing, rewinding, blocking with shields, etc...

Aether has natural access to 3 CC cards:  lightning, lobotomizer and mind flayer.  The first 2 should definitely be included in the Vault, and the last one begs the question of whether we want to get a  deck too.  Cards like rewind and freeze can be added to the vault provided we have decent deck to accommodate them and have room.

My conclusion is we should consider not using any of some elements in our vault such as .  That will force us to use decks as our main PC.  With Immortals, Phase Dragons, Quintessences, and Fractals, our main (Permanent Item) threat will come from Fire Shields and Thorn Carapaces.  How much PC should we take to defend against those?

I think we will do well with a deck provided the right opponent match up.  Steal is in some ways twice as good as deflagration since the enemy now has to deal with the permanent.  Also, a steal can help you early in the quanta denial deck if you don't have enough devourers yet--it can make an absolute shut down for them if your devourers outnumber their pillars.  Then, once you fractal the devourers, it's too late to make a difference.

Also, I think there is a decent fractal devourer deck with vampires instead of dragons.  The advantage is healing, and the low cost of vampires.  It requires fractaling devourers first and vampires second (or third) but it is a winner.

Note: Great idea Boingo about having some creature to rewind.  Should I change the number of Spiders and Dragons though?

  The spider is just a rewind token, so don't go crazy with more of those.  I think 1 (or 2) more dragons (or maybe PU), -1 pillar (and 1 pendulum) is my best guess.

A modified version of Boingo's posted below.  A mindgate needs Novas and/or Quantum Pillars

You can make a mindgate deck without novas or QP, as eventually you mindgate their pillars too.  Even with them, however, I haven't found this to be a good deck (or at least the way I was playing it) since I had way too many losses against the AI3 waiting to get going.   Sure, if you get enough mindgates up early and rewind correctly, you'll do fine, but usually you are beat down waiting for creatures to play.  This deck is a gamble--if you get enough early quanta to run 2 mindgates and get a phase shield up, you can do great.  Otherwise, it's very hard.  Also, I like to run them with rewinds (+Eternity of course) but I don't know we'll have enough room in the vault for rewinds if it's for a risky deck.  I could be wrong of course. 

Healing with , one great way to make decks without Shields.

The decks look nice.  I'm not sure about adrenaline--it's such a nice card for the frogs since it maximizes their damage, but maybe simpler is better.   Heal likely be needed no matter the case.

[Toimu13]

Healing with , one great way to make decks without Shields.

The decks look nice.  I'm not sure about adrenaline--it's such a nice card for the frogs since it maximizes their damage, but maybe simpler is better.   Heal likely be needed no matter the case.

Yeah, the only two creatures I see us using Adrenaline on is Frogs or if we must, then Phase Spiders.  Not much flexibility with Adrenaline.

[thraexis11]

Hm , i see no one mentioned antimatter but it can be usefull.
I just tested it and it works pretty good :

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I think this is a perfect deck for countering decks with heavy hitters ( like shriekers etc) . So I tested it, and I think it is pretty good, maybe with some minor tweaking would be even better.



I think 2 shields we should fear the most are Thorn carapace and Gravity shield, bcs they will stop our immortal army completely.

[thraexis11]

Tweaked Toimu's poison stall to add more punch.  I think this is a winner.

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I made almost identical deck without seeing this one.  . I must say I like it , although i think it works better with +1 lightning, -1 arsenic. I would also change the pendulum with another aether pillar, you have more then enough death quanta.

EDIT: Ok here is another deck that has  potential. I tested it, it looks very good.

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And another one :

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I know our Vault space is limited,but these are just ideas for later rounds - for which cards to salvage etc.

[Dragoon1140]

Excuse my lack of a deck, because I'm not in game at the moment, but I kept trying to think of a counter to Darkness / Air decks, which don't relay on creatures.  Then I though of it:  Emerald Shield.  It blocks Drain Life, Unstable Gas, Vamps for the most part, and Nightfall'd Devourers.  Imo, pack three in the vault.

[Toimu13]

Excuse my lack of a deck, because I'm not in game at the moment, but I kept trying to think of a counter to Darkness / Air decks, which don't relay on creatures.  Then I though of it:  Emerald Shield.  It blocks Drain Life, Unstable Gas, Vamps for the most part, and Nightfall'd Devourers.  Imo, pack three in the vault.

I was thinking of an anti-fire stall deck like that. Over all it would work as a life deck with heals and that shield.

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