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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg408891#msg408891
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2011, 02:35:55 am »
until the card becomes playable in beta, there's really not much more to add at this point anyway.
Then just don't post.

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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg408967#msg408967
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2011, 04:57:00 am »
For my ON TOPIC opinion?

I really think this shard will do good. It suits the :aether elements surprisingly well and will be a great addition to the game. It's a nice way to kick off the new Quanta-Cap function.
The only real problem I have with this is that the synergy with :aether is just not there. It doesn't exactly do anything until you use three of these. Perhaps a silence effect for that turn too would be awesome. But that would mean it should be a spell instead of a permenant.
Maybe increase your :aether quanta-cap by 5 (or 10 if upgraded)? That would be rather useful.

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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg408979#msg408979
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2011, 05:29:40 am »
For my ON TOPIC opinion?

I really think this shard will do good. It suits the :aether elements surprisingly well and will be a great addition to the game. It's a nice way to kick off the new Quanta-Cap function.
The only real problem I have with this is that the synergy with :aether is just not there. It doesn't exactly do anything until you use three of these. Perhaps a silence effect for that turn too would be awesome. But that would mean it should be a spell instead of a permenant.
Maybe increase your :aether quanta-cap by 5 (or 10 if upgraded)? That would be rather useful.
What use does  :aether have for a (marginally) higher cap?

Also, since topic derailed after my last post:

What if the shard drops the cap directly to some low number (15? 10 for  :aether mark?), and lasts for a few turns?  Something like how sundial works.  As it is, the first shard, even possibly the second shard, is basically useless against 95% of decks. Only until the third shard does this do anything, and this "three card combo" feels rather underwhelming.

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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg409009#msg409009
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2011, 07:05:58 am »
Increasing your own cap as well would be useful for some Fractal decks, such as the FG killer RoL/Hope or the PvP decks Bone Dragon Fractal or Devtal with Drains. It's good for any Fractal Dragon deck that wants to OTK and doesn't have access to Blitz.

I kinda miss the rumoured buff for immaterial creatures, mainly for the sake of Immortal. SoC is utterly useless in a Monoaether and all Aether duos that don't use denial or Fractal Dragons :/
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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg409080#msg409080
« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2011, 01:59:25 pm »
I kinda miss the rumoured buff for immaterial creatures, mainly for the sake of Immortal. SoC is utterly useless in a Monoaether and all Aether duos that don't use denial or Fractal Dragons :/
good point, this shard, moreso than the others, doesnt synergize very well with its own element.
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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg411715#msg411715
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2011, 01:03:46 am »
Increasing your own cap as well would be useful for some Fractal decks, such as the FG killer RoL/Hope or the PvP decks Bone Dragon Fractal or Devtal with Drains. It's good for any Fractal Dragon deck that wants to OTK and doesn't have access to Blitz.

I kinda miss the rumoured buff for immaterial creatures, mainly for the sake of Immortal. SoC is utterly useless in a Monoaether and all Aether duos that don't use denial or Fractal Dragons :/
it would not be helpful for any aether decks, if you fractal, all your aether energy is gone anyways.
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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg411729#msg411729
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2011, 01:27:16 am »
How about if the card was changed around a bit? (Hopefully not changing the main purpose of the original too much)

"Your opponent can't store more than 15 quanta per element. 12 if mark is :aether. 1 less per card, up to 6."

Numbers can change, but the general idea is there. It's useful starting from the first one put in play, as opposed to the current one. However, you still need a handful of these in order to get the full and better effect, so getting an :aether mark helps with this. It does shutdown a bit harshly decks that depend on high quanta usage and storage of a few elements IMO once you get most of them out, compared to the current one, and it also seems like rainbows with cheap cards will probably get away with it easily. Maybe it should effect the total quanta, with the numbers being tweaked of course. I also put a cap to prevent abuse through double draws and mindgates.

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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg411739#msg411739
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2011, 01:54:16 am »
I was wondering when the new shard was going to peek its head out of the closet

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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg411750#msg411750
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2011, 02:00:17 am »
It's usefull against fractal decks and dragon ones when you can put 3 of them. Isn't too situational? I thought shards were usefull and versatile...
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SoC might be good in poison and gigh creature number decks
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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg411754#msg411754
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2011, 02:14:00 am »
How about 12, 10 if  :aether mark (or more?)? Minimum would be 4 in this case with :aether mark. It's still enough to counter it with say a pulverizer or an upped butterfly effect. Also, wouldn't the card be too powerful if it wasn't somewhat situational?

Edit : Now that you edited you post, I do agree with what you say. I guess we'll have to see how this goes.

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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg411940#msg411940
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2011, 01:36:07 pm »
Increasing your own cap as well would be useful for some Fractal decks, such as the FG killer RoL/Hope or the PvP decks Bone Dragon Fractal or Devtal with Drains. It's good for any Fractal Dragon deck that wants to OTK and doesn't have access to Blitz.

I kinda miss the rumoured buff for immaterial creatures, mainly for the sake of Immortal. SoC is utterly useless in a Monoaether and all Aether duos that don't use denial or Fractal Dragons :/
it would not be helpful for any aether decks, if you fractal, all your aether energy is gone anyways.
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Re: Shard of Conscience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg413921#msg413921
« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2011, 10:33:10 pm »
What about 'take away x from your opponent's quanta cap adding it to yours'. (With some limits). (per round, not immediately)

 

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