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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg472701#msg472701
« Reply #168 on: March 20, 2012, 06:47:19 pm »
The lightning flash is great,
This shard is perfect for ignoring gravity shield with phase dragons
A nice buff to reflective shields too

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473063#msg473063
« Reply #169 on: March 22, 2012, 12:59:06 am »
Should we add a time limit to the spell damage effect ? maybe 4 turns ?

In the case of Antimatter, we can kill/RT the affected creature

But if the opponent uses the SoW combo on your creature, there's NO way to fight back, everything in the combo is immaterial

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473067#msg473067
« Reply #170 on: March 22, 2012, 01:14:39 am »
Should we add a time limit to the spell damage effect ? maybe 4 turns ?

In the case of Antimatter, we can kill/RT the affected creature

But if the opponent uses the SoW combo on your creature, there's NO way to fight back, everything in the combo is immaterial
its not really important that the combo has no way to fight back, there are other combos like that in the game:

momentum & quint
freeze & shockwave

all these 3 combos have something in common: you can only do them 6 times in a game, not counting the fact that a 2 card combo is less stable than a no-combo based deck

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473141#msg473141
« Reply #171 on: March 22, 2012, 07:39:43 am »
momentum & quint
freeze & shockwave
You forgot SoV + PA

you can only do them 6 times in a game, not counting the fact that a 2 card combo is less stable than a no-combo based deck
You can do it only 6 times, right. The arena decks however can do it 12 times. Ouch.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473149#msg473149
« Reply #172 on: March 22, 2012, 09:47:17 am »
You can do it only 6 times, right. The arena decks however can do it 12 times. Ouch.
Even in PvP, how many people will pack more than 6 main hitters in the deck ?

You may say it's slow to get the combo out. But I don't think you can get your creatures out fast enough to avoid the combo unless you have a lot of creatures or have some ways to speed up the drawing.

Especially when you are facing a Aether deck :

If you put out creatures one by one, you get hurt by the combo

If you hold the creatures in hand and wait for outburst, the phase dragons can still kill you.

Tell me what I can do to beat this ?


I think I have been over-worrying

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473155#msg473155
« Reply #173 on: March 22, 2012, 10:42:39 am »
You forgot SoV + PA
You can fight back that combo, with SoD and Stone skin, thats like saying SoG and PA is an unbeatable healing combo lol

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473167#msg473167
« Reply #174 on: March 22, 2012, 01:32:47 pm »
You forgot SoV + PA
You can fight back that combo, with SoD and Stone skin
Couldn't the exact same be said of Momentum + Quint and the whole SoW Reflective combo?
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473171#msg473171
« Reply #175 on: March 22, 2012, 01:54:23 pm »
You forgot SoV + PA
You can fight back that combo, with SoD and Stone skin
Couldn't the exact same be said of Momentum + Quint and the whole SoW Reflective combo?
 and we can just say that you can fight back freeze & shockwave with quanta denial and quint

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473172#msg473172
« Reply #176 on: March 22, 2012, 01:55:46 pm »
You forgot SoV + PA
You can fight back that combo, with SoD and Stone skin
Couldn't the exact same be said of Momentum + Quint and the whole SoW Reflective combo?
No, with SoV damage is very limited, up to 18 a turn with darkness mark. Thus SS and SoD is much more effective against SoV + PA than Momentum + Quint. A single flying OD titan with quint can deal up to 158 dmg in 1 turn. No amount of SS can wing themselves out of that one.


You forgot SoV + PA
You can fight back that combo, with SoD and Stone skin
Couldn't the exact same be said of Momentum + Quint and the whole SoW Reflective combo?
 and we can just say that you can fight back freeze & shockwave with quanta denial and quint
and that SoSac > almost everything

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473186#msg473186
« Reply #177 on: March 22, 2012, 02:47:12 pm »
and that SoSac > almost everything
SoSac < SoV + PA ..

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473188#msg473188
« Reply #178 on: March 22, 2012, 02:51:27 pm »

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg473205#msg473205
« Reply #179 on: March 22, 2012, 05:20:18 pm »
There's a lot of ambiguity regarding what "NO way to fight back against" means so I'm just going to let that conversation die.  However, an interesting discovery crossed my path:

Consider the following scenario-
1.  Your opponent plays an Elite Charger.
2.  You Quint + SoW the Charger while you have a Jade Shield in play.
3.  The Charger's damage is reflected next turn.

There's a conflict of mechanics somewhere here.  On one hand we have Momentum which specifically negates all effects of shields used against you, while on the other hand we have spell damage which is reflected by the reflective status.  I really don't know if this can be considered a bug, but since we have a creature doing the attacking here even if it is treated as spell damage, it seems like the attack should still receive a Momentum effect and ignore the reflective status of the Jade Shield.

There are two logical explanations for this occurring from my point of view:
1.  The "Wisdom" status takes precedence over Momentum.
2.  The idea of "Momentum spell damage" is not recognized and thus Momentum is completely ignored.

In the case of point two I then question why "Adrenaline spell damage" is possible when at this moment there is no spell which has a built in Adrenaline effect nor does one exist for a Momentum effect.  In the case of point one (which I believe is more likely the case) I question if it wouldn't be possible to reverse the order since I assume they can't coexist simultaneously.
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