Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom

[Higurashi]

This, reflective and AM: what can kill you?

Poison.

Fractal~ (+Silence if you wanna)

Also fast rushes/denial will easily overcome it as it's a combo and quanta-intense. It's still too situational due to requiring Quint, but if you can stall for a Turquoise Nymph it might be a decent domination concept.

[teffy]

Mono Aether can use this shard instead of Immortal.
It´s interesting, that "wise creatures" ignore all shield effect, also Fire Shield...
Should be changed.
I have also deck ideas, which would be better when +4/+0 would only be for the unupped shard.

AI: used "ablaze" to damage himself with spell damage + reflective shield.

[Avenger]

Mono Aether can use this shard instead of Immortal.
It´s interesting, that "wise creatures" ignore all shield effect, also Fire Shield...
Should be changed.
I have also deck ideas, which would be better when +4/+0 would only be for the unupped shard.

AI: used "ablaze" to damage himself with spell damage + reflective shield.

"Wise" creatures cast spell on the opponent, obviously they ignore the physical shield counter effects. They don't ignore the reflective effect, which physical creatures ignore.
AI: also uses dive on its own "wise" pegasus + reflective.

@Higs: yep, it is very slow, and there are finite number of shards. This could work vs. slow AI only. Or in a specific counter deck.
It can help aether to overcome most shields, though. So, as an offensive tool, it is best for mono aether. Have you tried this in mono aether vs. strong shield false gods?

[RavingRabbid]

Except of SoR-Anubis can it be used outside of ?

[Higurashi]

Mono Aether can use this shard instead of Immortal.
It´s interesting, that "wise creatures" ignore all shield effect, also Fire Shield...
Should be changed.
I have also deck ideas, which would be better when +4/+0 would only be for the unupped shard.

AI: used "ablaze" to damage himself with spell damage + reflective shield.

"Wise" creatures cast spell on the opponent, obviously they ignore the physical shield counter effects. They don't ignore the reflective effect, which physical creatures ignore.
AI: also uses dive on its own "wise" pegasus + reflective.

@Higs: yep, it is very slow, and there are finite number of shards. This could work vs. slow AI only. Or in a specific counter deck.
It can help aether to overcome most shields, though. So, as an offensive tool, it is best for mono aether. Have you tried this in mono aether vs. strong shield false gods?

Yeah, and it's extremely redundant. The only FG I found they are better against than SoG's is Gemini. Yes, not even Chaos Lord, because he has Momentums and PC where you'd rather have healing and bait his Steal with a Dim so he loses his Diss Field.

I went 2-13 with a SoW variant, but that was a bad streak. What I like is that it speeds the damage up quite a bit. It's fun, but.. so useless. See, the thing about Monoaether is that offensive power isn't that important. It's enough that the offensive power it has is almost impossible to remove and escape, similar to direct damage like Poison/Bolts.

Now if we juxtapose that to PvP, the same applies, with the added fact that if you want to beat MA, you bring PC. No one decides to stall Aether without sufficient quanta denial, because it has Fractal, so Shields are almost never a concern for MA.

Except of SoR-Anubis can it be used outside of ?

It can be used with Quint and anything, both offensively and defensively, as well as Turquoise Nymph and anything.

[willng3]

Except of SoR-Anubis can it be used outside of ?

It can be used with Quint and anything, both offensively and defensively, as well as Turquoise Nymph and anything.

Also, Morning Glory and Seraph.

[moomoose]

worth mentioning that saraphs benefit its limited.

higs, how would you suggest this mechanic be improved to meet your expectations?

[teffy]

Mono Aether can use this shard instead of Immortal.
It´s interesting, that "wise creatures" ignore all shield effect, also Fire Shield...
Should be changed.
I have also deck ideas, which would be better when +4/+0 would only be for the unupped shard.

AI: used "ablaze" to damage himself with spell damage + reflective shield.

"Wise" creatures cast spell on the opponent, obviously they ignore the physical shield counter effects. They don't ignore the reflective effect, which physical creatures ignore.
AI: also uses dive on its own "wise" pegasus + reflective.
[...]

Well, I don´t think that the ignorance of normal shield effect is always obvious:
Sundial stops creatures from attacking. Sundial stops creatures which do spell damage (check trainer)
The card text of Fire Shield says it damages attacking creatures - it doesn´t damage creatures with spell damage.
Either change card texts or the shields. I personally think that these "wise" creatures should ignore all damage reduction except Reflective/Jade, but shields should freeze, delay , damag , or turn them into skeletons.

[Higurashi]

worth mentioning that saraphs benefit its limited.

higs, how would you suggest this mechanic be improved to meet your expectations?

As I quoted in the 1.30 thread, I had the same idea as Shantu. It's far too situational, so allowing it for use on all creatures with the attack bonus for immaterial creatures would be neat. The problem is of course that it'd be very similar to Momentum.. in honesty I think the entire concept is way too mild for a Shard considering the outrageous things Shards like SoB and SoSa do. As I commented in that thread, I actually think Zanz should bring back the Lightning-on-a-stick Shard.

See, the odd thing I find about it in its current state is that it's a buff.. but you can't combo it with TU at all. It's like it's working against its own element.

Mono Aether can use this shard instead of Immortal.
It´s interesting, that "wise creatures" ignore all shield effect, also Fire Shield...
Should be changed.
I have also deck ideas, which would be better when +4/+0 would only be for the unupped shard.

AI: used "ablaze" to damage himself with spell damage + reflective shield.

"Wise" creatures cast spell on the opponent, obviously they ignore the physical shield counter effects. They don't ignore the reflective effect, which physical creatures ignore.
AI: also uses dive on its own "wise" pegasus + reflective.
[...]

Well, I don´t think that the ignorance of normal shield effect is always obvious:
Sundial stops creatures from attacking. Sundial stops creatures which do spell damage (check trainer)
The card text of Fire Shield says it damages attacking creatures - it doesn´t damage creatures with spell damage.
Either change card texts or the shields. I personally think that these "wise" creatures should ignore all damage reduction except Reflective/Jade, but shields should freeze, delay , damag , or turn them into skeletons.

Aye, it works like Momentum, because it even bypasses Gravity Pull. But if you think about it, you're giving the creature a way to attack at range with lightning magic. It wouldn't make sense to get hurt by shields with that in mind.

[RavingRabbid]

Except of SoR-Anubis can it be used outside of ?

It can be used with Quint and anything, both offensively and defensively, as well as Turquoise Nymph and anything.

Also, Morning Glory and Seraph.

*sigh* so I guess this will hardly have uses without using ...

[moomoose]

i agree that there are other shards that are more powerful/useful as it currently stands, and extending it to non-immaterials may be beneficial. 

i have a card idea in mind for an aether shield that had a base damage reduction of 1|2, with an ability similar to saraphs, which would make the shield spell reflective for a turn.  i think this would distinguish it from mirror/jade shields sufficiently but a case could be made for simply making it reflective by default, as well. in any event, the idea is to allow the effective defensive strategy for this shard in an aether focused deck.  but obviously this shard cant be balanced around a potential shield idea which may never enter the game, and intrinsic boosts to the card may be warranted.

i understand aether is your favorite element, its tied as mine as well, but i dont think every shard can have the impact as a SoB or SoF or SoR etc, some shards are left by the wayside in comparison, SoD and void come to mind, even SoG has lost some of its luster.  SoI may even be in the "fun but not reliable/useful" category when all is said and done.  SoP was arguably the runt of the litter and it was given the opportunity to be buffed not too long after implementation.  if SoW needs to be buffed after implementation, it very well may be even if it doesnt get it now, which it very well may still.

and im not going to pretend im not extremely biased on the matter, but still my 2

[RRQJ]

trying to argue that this shard needs a buff because it is weak compared to the OP shards is probably the wrong way to go about it.  For all we know, zanz might have a nerf in store for SoSa and such.

The change mentioned (allowing this to be played on all creatures, buffing immaterial by +4 atk) sounds pretty good to me.  And the momentum thing really isn't a problem.  The card says to convert to spell damage, which has always ignored most sheilds; the card doesn't specifically say "ignore shields."

Also, if we stay with such rigid classifications, then antimatter technically should be changed, since it causes the creature to ignore most shields.