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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471217#msg471217
« Reply #120 on: March 15, 2012, 11:56:01 pm »
So, now i'm curious which card will use the quanta pool maximization mechanic, if any.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471221#msg471221
« Reply #121 on: March 16, 2012, 12:13:53 am »
SoW is now in the Trainer with an additional bonus.  OP updated again to reflect changes.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471230#msg471230
« Reply #122 on: March 16, 2012, 12:23:42 am »
Hm, a Shard that isn't obviously OP?  I like it.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471239#msg471239
« Reply #123 on: March 16, 2012, 12:40:28 am »
It's ironic that the "untargetable" creature finally got targetable by its own shard. But i guess it fits thematically. Just too situational (like SoFr IMO)
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471246#msg471246
« Reply #124 on: March 16, 2012, 01:13:14 am »
Well this is super fun.  A few things I've noticed though:
1)  SoW does not refund quanta when canceled.  This is not consistent with SoR, therefore it seems like a bug to me.
2)  SoW affects Burrowed creatures when Burrow and Immortality are two separate features.  This also becomes a bit ridiculous with Graboids considering the status is maintained when it Evolves into a Shrieker.  If this is to truly remain "Aether's Shard" then Burrow should not be included, in my opinion.
3)  When Deja Vu splits the new copy will not retain SoW's effect.  This seems inconsistent with it retaining Momentum, Adrenaline, and Quint.  This seems similar to how Deja Vu works when Webbed though, so eh...

Huge improvement over its previous form though, if you ask me :D
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471247#msg471247
« Reply #125 on: March 16, 2012, 01:17:20 am »
While a good idea, I can't see this card being too useful, requiring either Immortal, Phase Dragon, Anubis (and how often do you see one of them?) or quintessence (or equivalent) to be used. Although it does give Immortals a well welcomed buff (as well as reflective shields).
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471251#msg471251
« Reply #126 on: March 16, 2012, 01:27:56 am »
maybe to add to versatility burrowed should be allowed to be a target.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471253#msg471253
« Reply #127 on: March 16, 2012, 01:31:06 am »
While a good idea, I can't see this card being too useful, requiring either Immortal, Phase Dragon, Anubis (and how often do you see one of them?) or quintessence (or equivalent) to be used. Although it does give Immortals a well welcomed buff (as well as reflective shields).
You also forgot Turquoise Nymphs.  ::)

But in all seriousness, Wisdom seems to be a HUGE bonus to all immaterial creatures; obviously this benefits :aether moreso than any other element, but I'm sure in the future other cards will get their own unique forms of immortality (Earth has 'burrow' should the effect stay the way is now, Time has Anubis + SoR, etc.).

Also, grats to moomoose for inspiring this idea. :) You'll get an article once it gets finally implemented in-game.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471255#msg471255
« Reply #128 on: March 16, 2012, 01:33:10 am »
Hmmm....

Intersting. Now mono aether has yet another buff. Makes sense. Although Dragons getting past Thorn carapace and fire shield will be a pain to deal with for my stall...

So when it says spell damage: Do reflect shields reflect it against the opponent? They don't target, but no spell targets only the opponent's hp, so I wouldn't know. Yup, it is reflected. Didn't read enough. Just looked at the shard.
If so, it would be a great metagame decison. Run shard, adding extra to mono aether, but getting past other Hax shield? Run mirror/emrald, protecting you less, but working as a sudden win against mono-aether running the shard?
And another nerf to bolts, with the increased usage of reflect shields. Then again, conscience already did that.

This is also an intersting decision combined with quint.
This + Quint: Earlier quint for earlier damage, then momentum when you need to override a shield (Think lava golem).
Momentum + Quint: You have to wait for both if you want the entire affect. However, you need to wait for both anyway against thorn or fire shield, in the case of a golem. Momentum can also be cast before, if your opponent isn't cc heavy, and you want to get past a shield (Ex. Mono Aether)

Also, suggestion: Link to this page where you mention the shard change in the OP, so people can find the start of the discussion on the new shard easier. That has always bugged me about card threads, hard to find the beginning of discussions about a particular revision.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471262#msg471262
« Reply #129 on: March 16, 2012, 01:58:25 am »
Well this is super fun.  A few things I've noticed though:
1)  SoW does not refund quanta when canceled.  This is not consistent with SoR, therefore it seems like a bug to me.
2)  SoW affects Burrowed creatures when Burrow and Immortality are two separate features.  This also becomes a bit ridiculous with Graboids considering the status is maintained when it Evolves into a Shrieker.  If this is to truly remain "Aether's Shard" then Burrow should not be included, in my opinion.
3)  When Deja Vu splits the new copy will not retain SoW's effect.  This seems inconsistent with it retaining Momentum, Adrenaline, and Quint.  This seems similar to how Deja Vu works when Webbed though, so eh...

Huge improvement over its previous form though, if you ask me :D
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471268#msg471268
« Reply #130 on: March 16, 2012, 02:08:49 am »
Thanks zanz, looks all fixed from here :D

Also, suggestion: Link to this page where you mention the shard change in the OP, so people can find the start of the discussion on the new shard easier. That has always bugged me about card threads, hard to find the beginning of discussions about a particular revision.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom | Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32132.msg471270#msg471270
« Reply #131 on: March 16, 2012, 02:17:30 am »
Just a note : the OP doesn't display the upgraded version giving a +4 | +0 buff for me. The buff itself seems a little strong for 3 | 1 :rainbow though (compare Momentum which is only +1 | +1 for 2 | 1 :gravity respectively.), but it looks like the generally expensive immaterial creatures (at least for :aether - based cards) tend to counter balance this well. (Nice manipulation of graphics and effect too, with Wisdom only being present when it can 'overlay' Immaterial.)

 

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