Fractal | Fractal

[grindpower]

When upped, it should be lowered to 8.

[TheForbiddenOracle]

When upped, it should be lowered to 8.

Seems like admins and the rest realized that 11 quanta was just too much

[Memorystick]

Your speak sounds a bit strange. Cards are balanced around use, not decks? Where am I supposed to use a card, if not in a deck? The presence of the Fractal card in most decks that can afford it, like I have mentioned... isnt it "use"? 

The EP part was a joke.

Zanz balances cards around how much they're used- in the first batch of nerfs, FFQ and feral bond were nerfed because they were used a great deal, not because they were overpowered- as well as other Cards (for example, if there's a spell that costs 1 and creates an exact copy of the target creature, then it's unbalanced compared to TU, which costs 6 for the exact same thing) I was using "use" instead of "usage", which may have been the cause of your confusion.

[Kurohami]

Fractal is nerfed enough already, the drain and the cost is pretty heavy in my opinion. This nerf has made it barely usable at all.

[Memorystick]

Fractal is nerfed enough already, the drain and the cost is pretty heavy in my opinion. This nerf has made it barely usable at all.

I disagree. It was usable with cost=11|10, it's usable now. It just makes it a little slower. How much have you used it anyway?

[Kurohami]

Fractal is nerfed enough already, the drain and the cost is pretty heavy in my opinion. This nerf has made it barely usable at all.

I disagree. It was usable with cost=11|10, it's usable now. It just makes it a little slower. How much have you used it anyway?

I never said it's unusable, but it's now extremely hard to use efficiently.  In any fractal deck, drop the first fractal quickly is very important. For fractal phoenix, it's for rushing purposes, for ROL it's for survival, and for pest, the whole point is to fractal early enough while it's still possible to quanta denial. For other decks like frogtal, if you can't fractal you can't drop the creature either in case its CCed and you lose the seed for fractal. While you wait for these extra quanta, dead cards starts piling up in your hand, and the fractals starts to get jammed up in your hand and get in the way of each other. It makes the fractal decks that were once good barely decent, hence I said it's barely usable. And last, I have used fractal extensively indeed, I have 6 copies of them upgraded within the week it is released. It is present in all the FG decks I'm using except 1. I would say I have enough experience to back up my words. Never forget that it also drains all quanta, the new cost delays each fractal for 1 turn or more. This really adds up and against rush decks a game never lasts that long. So this could mean the difference of being able to fractal 3 times per game to 2 times or 2 times to 1 times. That seems like a pretty big nerf to me. I don't know why you are getting all aggressive, and seeing as you seem quite untouched by the nerf, I want to ask you in return: "how much did you use fractal anyway?

[Dragoon1140]

I never said it's unusable, but it's now extremely hard to use efficiently.

Hello there.  I don't wish to pursue some sort of book writing contest debating about how Fractal's nerf is the worst thing ever, instead I'm going by experience.  I've used Fractal plenty of times throughout many War decks, both in testing and in duels, and I haven't noticed much of a change, if even a change, between the old Fractal and the new Fractal.  More often than not, you can Fractal the same turn you would have before the nerf, and even if you can't gain that extra one Aether quantum, you can still stall for another turn whilst you gain it.

No deck is ruined, at all.  All decks that have used Fractal can still use Fractal in the very same manner, with very little loss in speed.

[Sir Valimont]

It's a minor change, but the change being minor doesn't justify it. I don't particularly think changing something because it's popular makes much sense either. Either way the change is small enough that it's unlikely to be reversed. I just don't see what the point of it was.

[Memorystick]

Fractal is nerfed enough already, the drain and the cost is pretty heavy in my opinion. This nerf has made it barely usable at all.

I disagree. It was usable with cost=11|10, it's usable now. It just makes it a little slower. How much have you used it anyway?

I never said it's unusable, but it's now extremely hard to use efficiently.  In any fractal deck, drop the first fractal quickly is very important. For fractal phoenix, it's for rushing purposes, for ROL it's for survival, and for pest, the whole point is to fractal early enough while it's still possible to quanta denial. For other decks like frogtal, if you can't fractal you can't drop the creature either in case its CCed and you lose the seed for fractal. While you wait for these extra quanta, dead cards starts piling up in your hand, and the fractals starts to get jammed up in your hand and get in the way of each other. It makes the fractal decks that were once good barely decent, hence I said it's barely usable. And last, I have used fractal extensively indeed, I have 6 copies of them upgraded within the week it is released. It is present in all the FG decks I'm using except 1. I would say I have enough experience to back up my words. Never forget that it also drains all quanta, the new cost delays each fractal for 1 turn or more. This really adds up and against rush decks a game never lasts that long. So this could mean the difference of being able to fractal 3 times per game to 2 times or 2 times to 1 times. That seems like a pretty big nerf to me. I don't know why you are getting all aggressive, and seeing as you seem quite untouched by the nerf, I want to ask you in return: "how much did you use fractal anyway?

I've used it quite a bit myself, both pre-nerf (pestal, RoL/hope, scarabtal, and another deck), and while it had +2|+2 cost (RoL/hope with and without crusaders and retro/catcher/wall, mainly), and its current effectiveness will be in between. Basically, the old unupped version is now the new upped version- did the old unupped fractal suck? I'll admit that I've never used it in a rush like fractix, but I don't have 4-6 MPs anyway.

Also, looks like you proved my point

I think we can see who uses RoL/hope, pestal, or fractix based off reactions

I think, like kael, that an alteration to the effect would be better than the price increase- kael's idea, or ddevan's cap, would be good imo, though it's hard to say with just theory.

[Indrejue]

well this change has hurt my rol/hope deck and made it that one turn slower sometimes which means fewer ROL.  that is a pain especially when facing fg

[TheForbiddenOracle]

well this change has hurt my rol/hope deck and made it that one turn slower sometimes which means fewer ROL.  that is a pain especially when facing fg

It's still the same upped, unupped on the other hand makes a huge difference

[Indrejue]

yea i am unupped