Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield

[Chapuz]

What would you guys say is the most popular deck with dim shields?

Mono-aether by far.

Which one? Do you have a link?

There are so many... many PVP 1 players use Psion, other ones dragons and immortals.

[summerz88]

thoughts on dim shield|phase 8|8 all damage/6|5 round up is turned into aether quanta, normal expiry?

[aqwsz0]

This is by far my fav card.  Aether Ftw!

[Xenyx]

Honestly, after getting beaten by this card a lot, I too grew out some hate for it. -.- It is a good card sure, but I despise it on pvp too. I am not going to rant. (Already cried in a corner.) I think it should be nerfed quanta wise. Like, should cost more like 7 or 8.

Just my 2 cents..

[J6U]

Yeah, I play an Aether Deck with Steal stuff.

I think Phase Shield is a bit too strong.

Like, it makes almost nay deck poop on other decks without permanent control, or without spell damaging.

[SL234]

Definitely worth the 1500, that 1 quantum is usually what sinks me

[TheCursedOne]

They re good but i have a problem with thiefs : ) when they have steal card they take me down with 2 of them.

[J6U]

Did someone say oppppp.

[letour]

I have upgraded the list in the Nerf This Card section, Dimentional Shield thread:

17+ Ways to beat Dim shield spamming decks: Your argument is invalid.

• Explotion.
• Steal.
• Momentum.
• Chimera.
• Butterfly Effect.
• Pulvy.
• Charger.
• Poison.
• Voodoo Doll damage.
• Unstable Gas.
• Catapult.
• Decking out with stall/ragequit decks.
• Devourier spammers.
• Discord even without Black Hole.
• Black Hole spam.
• Ghostmares.
• Earquakes
• Extra: Mutant with Steal and Destroy ability.

Ok you list all quanta denial ability, this does not really counter them as they are countering every that more than 5 quanta to play. Momentum effect are counter to every shield and think that destroy permanent. Let's give give a permanent that 15 quanta to play that the beginning of your next turn you win the game. Almost all counter will work for it, so it is not OP.
It kill a lot of mono-deck that cannot be play, because they can't counter that card. Mono-life, mono-time, mono-water, mono-light, mono-air do not any tool. This one card force to not play almost any mono-deck. One card diminish all those to not being to survive so not play outside being AI 3 grinder. It give a lot of power for one card. Healing is not option for life and light, because you can't heal enought for 20 turns. Poison are not good counter because with the 180 hp arena deck your opponent will have time kill you 3 time before you can beat him by posonning.

Momentum can only give 1 turn hit, lobo or the mindflayer will care about you next turn. Phase savalger can get you another copy if your opponent destroy it. The opponent can't kill your creature beaause they are immortal.
You can also put a counter in your deck and not been to counter it because you do not draw it in time.
Why is there more than 60% of the bronze league having that card in there deck, because the metagame is play dim. shield or counter it. If you do not any of those way to counter it, you're death.
I'm saying that a card you need a way to counter it any deck (if not you lready lose)you made is really to powerfull. It gie a lot of mono-deck (like life) not able to be arena, because they can't counter one card really. It is way to powerfull than any card in this game. This why it need a nerf.

[xsindomanx]

I have upgraded the list in the Nerf This Card section, Dimentional Shield thread:

17+ Ways to beat Dim shield spamming decks: Your argument is invalid.

• Explotion.
• Steal.
• Momentum.
• Chimera.
• Butterfly Effect.
• Pulvy.
• Charger.
• Poison.
• Voodoo Doll damage.
• Unstable Gas.
• Catapult.
• Decking out with stall/ragequit decks.
• Devourier spammers.
• Discord even without Black Hole.
• Black Hole spam.
• Ghostmares.
• Earquakes
• Extra: Mutant with Steal and Destroy ability.

Ok you list all quanta denial ability, this does not really counter them as they are countering every that more than 5 quanta to play. Momentum effect are counter to every shield and think that destroy permanent. Let's give give a permanent that 15 quanta to play that the beginning of your next turn you win the game. Almost all counter will work for it, so it is not OP.
It kill a lot of mono-deck that cannot be play, because they can't counter that card. Mono-life, mono-time, mono-water, mono-light, mono-air do not any tool. This one card force to not play almost any mono-deck. One card diminish all those to not being to survive so not play outside being AI 3 grinder. It give a lot of power for one card. Healing is not option for life and light, because you can't heal enought for 20 turns. Poison are not good counter because with the 180 hp arena deck your opponent will have time kill you 3 time before you can beat him by posonning.

Momentum can only give 1 turn hit, lobo or the mindflayer will care about you next turn. Phase savalger can get you another copy if your opponent destroy it. The opponent can't kill your creature beaause they are immortal.
You can also put a counter in your deck and not been to counter it because you do not draw it in time.
Why is there more than 60% of the bronze league having that card in there deck, because the metagame is play dim. shield or counter it. If you do not any of those way to counter it, you're death.
I'm saying that a card you need a way to counter it any deck (if not you lready lose)you made is really to powerfull. It gie a lot of mono-deck (like life) not able to be arena, because they can't counter one card really. It is way to powerfull than any card in this game. This why it need a nerf.

Honestly? You are assuming the worst case where a deck can chain 6 dim shields, has phase salvagers (which only last one turn anyways), spiders, lobo + cost of ability AND can deal crazy damage? I've been grinding all arena levels for weeks now, and haven't seen a deck that can do all that.

If you are mostly using rush decks, here is a post by kev that explains the cycle: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,48624.0.html

Now, The additional options of playing against dim shield:

Life: Life has four cards that can heal: heal, bond, staff, and SoG. Dim shield costs 5 quarta, and for that cost, you can play 2 SoG or heal with 1 quarta leftover, not to mention aether has no permanent control and life creatures are much cheaper than aether creatures. If you only play a life rush with frogs, dragons, and mitosis, of course you have no chance to win.

Air: SoF

Light: Also has 4 cards that can heal: miracle, sanctuary, SoD, and Luciferin, which are all cheaper than dim shield, with the exception of miracle. Light also has mirror shield to block SoW attacks and hope shield to get fast quarta. Again, if you play a rush with only the core creature cards, of course you can't win.

Water: Flooding (and dry spell for spiders) to kill creatures, ice shield to block, and physalia and pufferfish for poison damage. Regarding your 'poison is not effective' argument, currently "Poison Dials" deck are one of the best grinder for everything.

Also, please don't exaggerate the number of mono aether decks in bronze. I was just there <3 And mind flayer is a water card.

[letour]

I can guaranty you there's that number of decks that have dim. shield in bronze (for over 150 games in that arena). Those are not all mono-aether, but also duo-trio decks with that card.

Shards are not count in there because you have to win bronze (which are full of dim. shield)first to have acess to that shards. You have no other than to face TONS dim. shield to get shard to beat those shields, so you are stuck. Shard are not counter because they are not accessible to everyone. Rare cards that are not even acessible by the oracle, should never be the only way on certain element to beat your way to have those.
You can spam heal for 20 turns really while they are building they're  building an immortal army that only the torn carapace could hurt. They can also kill your creature with lighning
Edit : you can't rush a arena deck. If they can play a dim. shield you are death on mono-life.
I was trying to build a deck a mono-life and ask for advice in chat. They say that you can only rush (wich is not gret in the arena). I ask them how to beat Dim. shield spamming with it, they say, I can't. So mono-life is only good for farming AI3, because you are automaly lose at the first dim. shield you encounter.
For water, how do you get your air and death quanta on mono-water (wich should only contain water pillars in my opinion, because if not they are not mono).
The card is also really OP, because if you do not have any counter (again only one card). You cannot expect to win you're way to any highter tier of competition. Try beating 6 decks in the bronze league without having a counter of this card, you have almost no chance. No other cards in the bronze have to get a specific counter in the deck so you are not stuck.

[xsindomanx]

Ah sorry I forgot that newer players don't have shards, sorry about that.

On your argument on mono life, it's true that mono life has no direct counters against dim shield, and therefore is weak against mono aether. However, such is the case against a lot of other cards and elements. IMO, it makes more sense to say that 'life' as an element is a 'support element' or 'underpowered as an element', rather than saying that all those cards that can't be countered by / can do things that life cards can't do, are overpowered.

On a final note, I counted up the number of aether marks in top 250 decks bronze, and only counted less than 50.

EDIT:

Edit : you can't rush a arena deck. If they can play a dim. shield you are death on mono-life.

What do you mean by this? Bronze decks generally can't afford double draw, so they're limited to 6 shields = 12 turns. Yes a very significant amount, but if you insist on using mono life, it's not impossible.

For water, how do you get your air and death quanta on mono-water (wich should only contain water pillars in my opinion, because if not they are not mono).

Please refer to this page, which has a mono deck definition: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38685.0.html