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Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230331#msg1230331
« on: April 11, 2016, 08:03:00 am »
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230507#msg1230507
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2016, 11:31:30 am »
I sent this to Chaosomes.

Hi guys,

First off, great submission, almost (but not quite!) as good as ours :P

I'm writing this because I want it to be a fair shootout. Our two submissions for this task are the only ones that fit the task both in DB and Artist. I think it's only fair for us to vote our team, and the other team, eliminating tactical voting from this task (at least from our teams) and seeing who gets the most votes from the other teams and community.
Remember, the voting tallies are published on the standings spreadsheet. I want this to be fair as possible.

Thanks guys, and good luck!

JCJ

It is clear that our two tasks are by far the best, I don't want to tactical vote, but I also don't want to lose because we didn't tactical vote and they did. I will publish their response.
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230557#msg1230557
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2016, 07:41:04 pm »

imo if you want to leave the decision to the other teams it's easier for us just not vote on each other, spreading everything (as in it'd be easier to convince everyone involved). The end result would still be the same. The only submission that truly doesn't qualify in my eyes is LoS on grounds of being incomplete. The other ones just suck, that's all.



I agree to not do any strategic voting, but I disagree with your assessment that we are the only teams to meet the challenge.  Yours is second best to ours though so I do think I'll be voting for it.

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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230582#msg1230582
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 12:25:57 am »
Team VoteRound 6by
Boss & CD Abyss Brawlers: All cards are interesting individually and work well as a deck, with an alternative win condition. League of Shadows: Really interesting deck synergy win condition, clearly and concisely explained, with decent enough flavour to the cards
Artist & DB Abyss Brawlers: We were asked to represent the battle in any medium we liked. We chose the medium of a movie / movie trailer. I love this submission, and encourage voters to watch our video. Art does not have to be a picture. Chaosomes: It's the only submission other than ours that fulfils the task entirely and seriously. Good submission.
FE Abyss Brawlers: It said a guide, doesn't mean the person guiding has to be very good at being a guide :P League of Shadows: The only one that could actually serve as a post in the 'Tutorial' section of the forum. Amazing work.
Writer Abyss Brawlers: I liked the mystery and development of a feeling of plot. Doing the voiceover was fun too :) Toadally Newtral Team: It's a prologue, Chaos and LoS were both way too long, gaia too short. this was just the right length, and I liked the nod to the star wars element of this brawl
Bonus Abyss Brawlers: We all live in a blue submarine! Chaosomes: I frikkin loved this song lol
Super Bonus Abyss Brawlers: Krzy supa mega comic skillllzzzzz. Also, I like being drunk any time, especially in a comic :P Chaosomes: consistantly funny. i like comics such as these that it's all about the script
Challenge Abyss Brawlers not sure what goes here, but if there was a challenge, we probably did it

Espithel's FrustrationAB: all completely realistic qualities. Not sure how their blade being see-through can be realistic :P
Espithel's DeliriumAB: really liked the effect of becoming one creature by choice and another on death
Espithel's DuplicityAB: their submission diddn't include a deck
Ulamog, the Ceaseless NearHundredAB: similar submissions, just preferred the flavour to ours, and giving gravity a late-game win condition is cool
Animated TributeAB: WE ALL LIVE IN A BLUE SUBMARINE!
Mechanical UnderdriveAB: loved this idea from Fippe, if you are going to take on a new mechanic, you need something to take that mechanic to the next level!
AscensionTC: Better, simpler deck with more theme
Buy one get one free!LoS: Brill. Could actually be a real ad
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230609#msg1230609
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 09:03:40 am »
Team VoteRound 6by Krzysiekxd
Boss & CD Abyss Brawlers A Toadally Newtral Team: I like the mere fact they put their photos there. A bunch of exhibitionists ^^ Deck and cards also seem to be valid. 
Artist & DB Abyss Brawlers A Toadally Newtral Team: I originally voted on Chaosomes in DB/Artist task because I focused only on the art at first. Unfortunately, considering the new circumstances, their invalid decks, I'm going to change my vote and I 100% share the Silver's explanation.
FE Abyss Brawlers League of Shadows: Well written, nicely formatted guide.
WriterAbyss Brawlers League of Shadows: Sets the move, correspondes with the game, not with the forum like Toad's submission. Chaosomes' is good, but too long for the game opening.
Bonus Abyss Brawlers Gaia's Pride: LoSs art is great, but... I have seen it before (in propaganda). I like the statement "Live naturally." Genius ^^ 
Super Bonus Abyss Brawlers League of Shadows: It was hard to decide. Chaosome's have better story, but I like LoS' art. Chaosome's did  mainly tracing work, but it's long. No backgrounds, no colors. What could take more time? Hard to decide. Ok, final decision: LoS.

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Espithel's DeliriumAB
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Ulamog, the Ceaseless NearHundredAB
Animated TributeAB
Mechanical UnderdriveAB
Buy one get one free!LoS: Looks real.
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230613#msg1230613
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 09:25:41 am »
Hi guys,

First off, great submission, almost (but not quite!) as good as ours :P

I'm writing this because I want it to be a fair shootout. Our two submissions for this task are the only ones that fit the task both in DB and Artist. I think it's only fair for us to vote our team, and the other team, eliminating tactical voting from this task (at least from our teams) and seeing who gets the most votes from the other teams and community.
Remember, the voting tallies are published on the standings spreadsheet. I want this to be fair as possible.

Thanks guys, and good luck!

JCJ

I agree to not do any strategic voting, but I disagree with your assessment that we are the only teams to meet the challenge.  Yours is second best to ours though so I do think I'll be voting for it.

imo if you want to leave the decision to the other teams it's easier for us just not vote on each other, spreading everything (as in it'd be easier to convince everyone involved). The end result would still be the same. The only submission that truly doesn't qualify in my eyes is LoS on grounds of being incomplete. The other ones just suck, that's all.

Lol... hardly inspiring confidence guys haha

Gaia used two decks that aren't decks and art that isn't theirs
Newtral used 2 decks with the same elements

I want to vote for yours second, but i don't want to be suicidal doing it. Gaia's submission is funny. Funny could be voted on.
What i don't want is for Brawl to be won by the team voting most... alternatively, lets say lol.
one of us wins this wager, i don't mind which so long as i feel it's a fair decision. If we all want to NOT vote for eachother, that's fine, but i'd prefer the alternative.

What Newtral did is just an interpretation of what the task asked (2 opposites in a deck). What Gaia did is extremelly lame, but technically valid. About my suggestion of not voting on each other I just don't want anyone tempted to not follow the plan  :P
neither do I, but I have only voted for submissions i think are the best so far. I'd like to round out brawl like that. remember, the standings page says how many team votes were given to each team for each task. So if someone does go back on it, we'll all know. I think everyone on both teams cares enough about their reputation not to risk that.
It's everyone votes for the other team, or nobody does. If I don't get confirmation of the former I'll have to assume the latter :P

I honestly really like mixtape's decks, but your art is clearly the best.  Tell you what, when I do vote, I'll post this one and maybe a few others publicly.

I have no clue. I'm less sure of what to do now than I was before I started messaging them.
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230614#msg1230614
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 09:41:44 am »
I just sent this:

"Ugh. screw it. I am 100% voting for you guys and I know Krzy is too. I hope you guys will do what's right, and that we get a fair result from brawl :) Good luck"

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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230653#msg1230653
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Team VoteRound 6by Silver Emerald
Boss & CDAbyss Brawlers because we are awesome!The Chaosomes for having a coherent plan and deck that a non-hardcore player such as myself could visualize using to stall.
Artist & DBAbyss Brawlers...I hadn't actually watched the trailer prior to voting and that was pretty impressive.(After the discussion in this thread) Based on the task requirements I'm not likely to vote for TC (deck issue), LoS (image issue), or GP (both deck and image issues). After that elimination, ATNT has clearer art and the idea of pitting against each other two subtle variations on the same elements, so I'm voting for A Toadally Newtral Team.
FEAbyss Brawlers; that is terrible to imagine and hilarious at the same time.There are a number of good guides here...and the issue I'm having is that the good game ones are relatively weak on the forum aspect and vice versa. LoS gets credit for newb-friendliness, but A Toadally Newtral Team gets the vote for getting me to smile and want to keep reading. (And, you know, for writing a guide to the game rather than solely a guide to the forum.)
WriterAbyss Brawlers since I wrote it since I think we managed to distill some essence of awe without crossing into tedium. We're also the only team with a voiceover.I think there are only two entries which I can really consider, and though it's a difficult decision between 'really nicely detailed but wow I'd be bored trying to keep this all straight as a new player watching the intro' (TC) and 'relatively shorter with a closer point but this is a little bit jarring' (LoS)...going with League of Shadows on this one.
BonusAbyss Brawlers since...well, JCJ said it well.Going to say Gaia's Pride for making it clean and simple. TC's song didn't quite draw me and I'm somewhat disinclined to vote for LoS's submission of the same thing for two tasks.
Super BonusAbyss Brawlers. We managed to be funny and give the story a moral anyway, hooray!The Chaosomes; reference numbers are very high and though it was never as funny as full-blown laughing there were enough chuckles that I wanted to continue reading.
ChallengeAbyss Brawlers for all the challenges.Abyss Brawlers, including for the 'Ascension' and 'Buy one get one free!' challenges. :P

Espithel's Frustration...I'm sorry, FHM, but I really just can't visualize glass (or transparency) having any place in good blade material. Further, if it's only possible because Aether, then the realism requirement goes out the window. (Also, we have a video on how to make ours.) Voting for Abyss Brawlers.
Espithel's DeliriumI think I'll vote for the one which is: a) less creepy, b) (mostly) using some variation of existing mechanics, and c) offers an interesting means of progression. Abyss Brawlers.
Espithel's DuplicityAbyss Brawlers is pretty much the only valid vote for this one. Pretty duplicitous for FHM to make this challenge then not provide the deck required by the challenge.
Ulamog, the Ceaseless NearHundredAbyss Brawlers largely since, out of the two extremely powerful cards, this one takes some effort and strategy to build towards while the other has a worst-case scenario of waiting to play it.
Elite Dragonfly the Science GuyAbyss Brawlers - wait, I can't vote for a submission that we decided not to take part in? Aw.
Animated TributeAbyss Brawlers. Why? ...I think JCJ already gave the best explanation why.
Mechanical UnderdriveAbyss Brawlers for the depth ( ^^ ) and for punishing bad strategic moves rather than punishing moves in general.
AscensionA bit of a tough choice, but I'd tend to say The Chaosomes since the deck looks less...bloated, might be the right word? At least easier to follow.
Buy one get one free!For a number of reasons I wouldn't click either, but League of Shadows gets the vote for the ad being less sketchy.
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230666#msg1230666
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2016, 04:12:14 am »
Silver, I don't really get your explanation for DB/Artist task. Where's there anything about challenge?
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230670#msg1230670
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2016, 05:32:43 am »
Based on the statement of the challenge (I suppose 'task' is the correct term) and the example given in the description, I understand this particular task to involve two decks which are each comprised of two elements (for a total of four distinct elements); furthermore these four elements should be selected such that the two elements of one deck are the 'opposites' of the two in the other deck. Then a battle between the two forces these decks represent should be depicted.

...I went back through the R6 task thread and voting thread and no-one else had raised questions over this, so I wasn't sure how much was open to interpretation. Perhaps the original definition could have been clearer. (Onion, when you mentor future BMs please especially train them in clarity.)

TC has two decks which themselves are each made of opposing elements, rather than each deck containing each of one opposing element. (:entropy + :gravity / :earth + :air)  They do, however, have good artistry...but since I'm not sure the deck conditions were met, leery to vote for them.

GP also has two decks which each are composed of opposing elements within. (:gravity + :entropy / :life + :death)  They also don't have an image due to improperly obtaining one.

We have decks which do contain two opposing pairs, as well as an excellent depiction. (:time + :life / :aether + :death)

ATNT's decks both contain opposing pairs of elements, but they're the same elements. (:life + :death / :life + :death) This...could fit the task definition, on second thought, though that gets back to unclear definitions.

FHM has two decks with pairs of opposing elements spread between the two. (:death + :darkness / :light + :life) There is artwork this round I admire more, but they're the only team other than us who I knew for sure completed the task to the letter.

LoS has two interesting-looking decks which do fulfill the opposite-pairs-splitting condition. (:aether + :water / :time + :fire) However, it seems that their image is broken (or unsubmitted) and without knowing what it is I can't really vote for it.


...there's a distinct possibility this could be my misunderstanding and my fault for not asking CO some clarifying questions earlier, but there's still time to ask (or maybe he'll see this) and I plan to do so before the voting deadline is over.
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230673#msg1230673
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2016, 06:16:53 am »
It's 100% fine for our team, especially that we have a wager, but only if it won't be treated as tactical voting which we agreed not to use. Of course, we can't be 100% sure Chaosomes will vote on us. That's true that task consists of two roles and I actually focused only on art and I believe your vote is not tactical. For me awesome art and so-so deck > awesome deck (do we have any?) and bad art. But that's just my personal opinion.

Actually, when I look at Chaosomes' decks now, they really don't follow the opposites rule. Their opposites are within the same decks. I wonder if it's acceptable (examples are clear). Secondly, their second deck can be treated as trio? They used other cards there.

I'm really interested what Brawlmasters have to say about that.

Anyways, I think we should NOT make that discussion public trying to convince anyone to change their votes (of course unless Brawlmasters say the decks don't follow the taks rules :P). On the other hand, I'm thinking about changing my vote now, considering that decks may be invalid.

Brawlmasters, your turn, speak up please.
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Re: Round 6 - AB -Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61768.msg1230679#msg1230679
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2016, 07:18:12 am »
That wager is most likely going to determine the winner of Brawl, no one will remember that someone strategic voted, only who won.. unfortunately.

(Also JCJ, they messed up on half the task.. the deck.. it was supposed to be opposing duos - 2 decks, not in the same)

Long story short, I don't have to strategic vote.. I'm gonna look at who fulfilled the task the best, not the 'best' submission. (there's been way too much of rule-bending this Brawl)
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