12 Lives Battle Thread (Hosted by RavingRabbid)

[Ekki]

Sry to be the one who mentioned it , but haven't you forgot to remove 2 extra lives because you lost 3-0 ?
You had 1-up in first round, then you lost 3 lives in second round and now 3-0 in third.
Thats +1 -3 -5 lives = -7 and not -5.

He could have been saying the lives he lost in that match...

[thraexis11]

Sry to be the one who mentioned it , but haven't you forgot to remove 2 extra lives because you lost 3-0 ?
You had 1-up in first round, then you lost 3 lives in second round and now 3-0 in third.
Thats +1 -3 -5 lives = -7 and not -5.

He could have been saying the lives he lost in that match...

I just checked, he lost  and  in round 2, so I guess he just forgot to remove 2 extra lives for round 3.

[Ekki]

I just checked, he lost  and  in round 2, so I guess he just forgot to remove 2 extra lives for round 3.

Huh, my bad...

[lokiburn4]

We do need to show both our winning and losing hands, right? Half the fun of this tournament is getting great pvp deck ideas for the future! I asked my opponent to show the decks he beat me with (since he only posted the losing decks) but that didn't happen.

meh.

Oh, and I am thrilled to get a free life from my inactive opponent! Is it really so different than winning because you had 3 good draws, and they had 3 bad ones? its all just fate, any of us could have been matched up with them. Kobi, you could have 12 lives AND 3 1ups!

play on!

[Kamietsu]

We do need to show both our winning and losing hands, right? Half the fun of this tournament is getting great pvp deck ideas for the future! I asked my opponent to show the decks he beat me with (since he only posted the losing decks) but that didn't happen.

meh.

Oh, and I am thrilled to get a free life from my inactive opponent! Is it really so different than winning because you had 3 good draws, and they had 3 bad ones? its all just fate, any of us could have been matched up with them. Kobi, you could have 12 lives AND 3 1ups!

play on!

The rules are you post all decks used =/

Also, I'll post my deck I used a bit later. I lost 5 marks this round I'll post them with my decks.

[kobisjeruk]

Oh, and I am thrilled to get a free life from my inactive opponent! Is it really so different than winning because you had 3 good draws, and they had 3 bad ones? its all just fate, any of us could have been matched up with them. Kobi, you could have 12 lives AND 3 1ups!

play on!

you're not seeing the big picture or the long term effect

supposedly its Round 12 and only 2 men standing left
one dude has fought every matches and won 3-0 and thus keeping all lives +12 bonus
the other dude got 'lucky' and never had to fight at all since all of his opponents forfeited/quit the event but since rule stated winning by forfeit/quit ALSO gives you +1 bonus and thus he keeps all lives +12 bonus

now tell me, is this supposed to be an event determined by fate? might as well flip a coin right now and see who win the event right?
how the heck is it fair that one dude has to fight every matches in order to get his bonuses while another one just win it all by luck because fate said so?
i am putting down the extreme case here but the point stands, winning because your opponent quit the match should by no means gives you what supposedly a bonus for winning a match by 3-0 result

its just ridiculous...the game has tons of luck involved as it is, do we really want another game win 'just because they got lucky' instead of skill? i for one think not

and i'm not saying complaining (or whatever you want to call it) because i, myself didnt get to face this 'lucky' matches
i would've said the same thing either way because fair is fair and all that jazz

[QuantumT]

Oh, and I am thrilled to get a free life from my inactive opponent! Is it really so different than winning because you had 3 good draws, and they had 3 bad ones? its all just fate, any of us could have been matched up with them. Kobi, you could have 12 lives AND 3 1ups!

play on!

you're not seeing the big picture or the long term effect

supposedly its Round 12 and only 2 men standing left
one dude has fought every matches and won 3-0 and thus keeping all lives +12 bonus
the other dude got 'lucky' and never had to fight at all since all of his opponents forfeited/quit the event but since rule stated winning by forfeit/quit ALSO gives you +1 bonus and thus he keeps all lives +12 bonus

now tell me, is this supposed to be an event determined by fate? might as well flip a coin right now and see who win the event right?
how the heck is it fair that one dude has to fight every matches in order to get his bonuses while another one just win it all by luck because fate said so?
i am putting down the extreme case here but the point stands, winning because your opponent quit the match should by no means gives you what supposedly a bonus for winning a match by 3-0 result

its just ridiculous...the game has tons of luck involved as it is, do we really want another game win 'just because they got lucky' instead of skill? i for one think not

and i'm not saying complaining (or whatever you want to call it) because i, myself didnt get to face this 'lucky' matches
i would've said the same thing either way because fair is fair and all that jazz

To be fair, the chances of that example actually occurring are astronomically low. First, there would have to be people who up to that point had won as many matches as you'd had forfeited to you drop out. Then it would have to be you who happened to receive the forfeit.

On the flip side though, what if we did it your way and the same thing happened? I'm now at a 12 life disadvantage, even though I never did anything wrong.

[guy_fawkes]

updated the spreadsheet https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=t2ELLoH9aXhJDYe3z6NO42Q&authkey=CJ-LktkK#gid=0

Hyroen needs to discard 2 lives, while the $$$man situation will be handled by the tournament master : RavingRabbids

[kobisjeruk]

To be fair, the chances of that example actually occurring are astronomically low. First, there would have to be people who up to that point had won as many matches as you'd had forfeited to you drop out. Then it would have to be you who happened to receive the forfeit.

On the flip side though, what if we did it your way and the same thing happened? I'm now at a 12 life disadvantage, even though I never did anything wrong.

key words: extreme case

of course with the way its going on now, nobody will get to that kind of result, i'm just stating the extreme case to make my point clear

disadvantage? how? you get a free bye every round....thats a disadvantage?
bye in itself is an advantage...had you actually fought, you could end up 3-0 but you could also end up 3-1, 3-2, 2-3, 1-3 or even 0-3 (now i'm just saying the things i had already said before...zzz)
the other dude has to actually manage 3-0 win to get a bonus, he EARNED all those bonuses
do you understand where i'm coming from?

[thraexis11]

I actually agree with Kobi, it's not really fair for some players who fought 3 hard battles while some of them got 1 or even 2 byes. I guess it's too late now to change anything, but we should probably change some rules for other upcoming events to avoid this.

For example , there should be  reqs for participating in any event , for example Players must have at least 25 forum posts to play ( we have seen at least 5 players droped out and they've had like 1 or 2 posts).
Also, for all other players there should be a rule which forbids them to play next 3 or 4 events if they drop out from any event. I mean don't aply if you dont have the time for it, everyone knew that the war will still be going on while this event lasts, so I don't see how this can be excuse.

[QuantumT]

K, the flipside of that is that it could still be view as a punishment, as you've taken away the opportunity for them to earn extra lives. If you had asked them, maybe they would have chosen to have somebody to play as opposed to receiving a forfeit, so they would have the opportunity to earn extra lives.

disadvantage? how? you get a free bye every round....thats a disadvantage?

It's down to me and one other guy, and I'm down by 12 lives. Sounds like a disadvantage to me.

Note: I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here, because I think that it could fine work either way. Somebody needed to support the other viewpoint though.

For example , there should be  reqs for participating in any event , for example Players must have at least 25 forum posts to play ( we have seen at least 5 players droped out and they've had like 1 or 2 posts).

I'd buy into that. 25 posts is still a fairly low number, but it's enough to show that you have at least a bit of commitment to the forums.

Also, for all other players there should be a rule which forbids them to play next 3 or 4 events if they drop out from any event. I mean don't aply if you dont have the time for it, everyone knew that the war will still be going on while this event lasts, so I don't see how this can be excuse.

There is currently a system in place to discourage dropping out, but it's based on repeat offenses. You need at least a bit of leeway, because sometimes stuff just happens (see Essence).

[lokiburn4]

I see your point Kobi, and QT, you too are absolutely spot on. As for me, I was primarily happy to win an effortless 1up because I lost 5 lives in my first 0-3 round. I was a bit annoyed to get a bye, because I play this game ... to play it, ya know, but not nearly as annoyed as I was when I lost those extra 2 elements. losing 3 of my favorite decks right off the bat was bad enough! I loved the concept of making one killer deck for each element and seeing how we fared against each other... the sweep penalties and bonuses as a whole detract from the core experience of this event I think. imho.