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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402665#msg402665
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2011, 01:01:05 pm »
:gravity 1: Bhlewos
He moved and fortified this round.

Rules state: "You cannot use Fortify together with Move"

Therefore he should not be fortified.
I think that rule was implemented when we used only 2 AP's and things were a bit different. They way the system works now, I see no reason to prevent 'Move' + 'Fortify'. I don't see how it would be illogical or give an unfair advantage.
Well, the logic was that movement was the last thing happening, meaning you can't just move first and fortify later in your new hex I think :p
I think the main reason was the fact that using the old rules, a person could have done 'Move' + 'Fortify' each Day and still must just as fast as a person who goes for maximum speed. But with these new 4AP's and the possibility of moving twice, I don't see a problem with 'Move' + 'Fortify' because doing that all the time would mean you move a lot slower than others.


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He claims to have:
- Taken quest Expand Borders (1 AP)
- Captured Hex 091 (2 AP)
- Move Twice towards his capital (4 AP)

All in one turn... sup with that?
Didnt understand rules >.> so my position = negated right?
Yes, I will cancel that movement.


Rules state: "You cannot use Fortify together with Move"
I think that rule was implemented when we used only 2 AP's and things were a bit different. They way the system works now, I see no reason to prevent 'Move' + 'Fortify'. I don't see how it would be illogical or give an unfair advantage.
Move + capture is not illogical either, can we do that?
Move + bind stone of return or Move + Train is not illogical! Can we do those things now?

No, because you can only capture the hex you occupy, not the one you're moving towards. So no, you cannot fortify on the hex you are about to move to!
As explained in the action submitting form, the order in which actions happen is:

Basic
Special
Movement
Battle

'Capture' is a Basic action which means you cannot first 'Move' then 'Capture'.
'Fortify' is a Battle action which means you can first 'Move', then 'Fortify'.

Reason why it works like that is technical. If there was no clear order, updating would be a nightmare and it would be more difficult to determine who goes first. Also, we can avoid silly things like not being able to 'Capture' a hex because every time you try to do that, someone moves into that hex.



Btw.. To anyone confused about their current position on the map. One explanation could be that you used 'Charge' which failed to start a battle but did move you one step closer to your target.


Map fixed.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402690#msg402690
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2011, 02:34:39 pm »
I hate to complain, but I think this problem is quite severe:

I can see the following actions:
 :gravity 3 Gocubs
 :darkness 6 Xeno
 :light 6 kevkev

TorB can see the actions of some :underworld and :air guy and mine!  :water 3

This can be quite the problem atm and I suggest people don't submit their actions right away cause they'll be out in the open.. This undermines the entire event imo.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402693#msg402693
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2011, 02:40:33 pm »
Fire #3 shouldn't be alive yet. Not that it matters since he left the event or something, just saying.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402701#msg402701
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2011, 02:53:43 pm »
I hate to complain, but I think this problem is quite severe:

I can see the following actions:
 :gravity 3 Gocubs
 :darkness 6 Xeno
 :light 6 kevkev

TorB can see the actions of some :underworld and :air guy and mine!  :water 3

This can be quite the problem atm and I suggest people don't submit their actions right away cause they'll be out in the open.. This undermines the entire event imo.
I updated the updating system which caused this bug. It should be fixed now.


Fire #3 shouldn't be alive yet. Not that it matters since he left the event or something, just saying.
Before everyone starts to freak out, Antagon has not left the event. :) You are talking about :fire 4 which has been put back in Burning City because the reason you mentioned.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402715#msg402715
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2011, 03:41:35 pm »
Question:

So right now I'm outside the walls of Stown?
You're just as selfish as I am. You're just not as good at it yet.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402716#msg402716
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2011, 03:43:01 pm »
'Fortify' is a Battle action which means you can first 'Move', then 'Fortify'.
In that case, you should change the text in the actions info that says you can't use them together. If I knew you could, I would've submitted different actions.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402717#msg402717
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2011, 03:43:47 pm »
Question:

So right now I'm outside the walls of Stown?
No, you're inside.
This means you can trade with Kirch or trade with the earth merchant there. This also means you cannot fight Kirch on that Hex or capture the hex.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402718#msg402718
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2011, 03:45:18 pm »
Darn you kirch!
You're just as selfish as I am. You're just not as good at it yet.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402743#msg402743
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2011, 04:45:38 pm »
Bwahahaha.  Ownt.  Now gimme your stuffs.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402748#msg402748
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2011, 04:50:42 pm »
+1 to the Earth team player who thought up of the name 'Stown' for their new settlement. :P

...now I wonder what will happen in regards to the other Fortress if that one was searched... >.>

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402805#msg402805
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2011, 06:38:51 pm »
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Quote from our cultural adviser.  How come aether as able to build their town on top of the horse spot (hex 88)? Is the horse not as special as say the camels? That seems... odd.

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Re: Day 8 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31829.msg402832#msg402832
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2011, 07:17:01 pm »
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- Town can be built on any terrain, but not on top of certain special terrain like Gold, Camel, etc.
Quote from our cultural adviser.  How come aether as able to build their town on top of the horse spot (hex 88)? Is the horse not as special as say the camels? That seems... odd.
Time capital is also on a Camel. I think it's just an error. I think SG meant named special terrain, like Gold and Ruins.

 

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