Starter Decks - Now with 60 cards!

[Scaredgirl]

Old starter decks are history. There are a couple of reasons for this, the main one being skill trees that changed a lot of things. Players now need more cards to better survive those early rounds.

I chose 60 cards for obvious reasons. Here's a rough formula I will be using:

24 x Pillars
18 x Creatures
18 x Spells and Permanents
No rare cards

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[Kamietsu]

I really like this idea. 60 cards is a much better start. Question though: Do we have to play with a full 60 card deck while we have these starters? Or can we make any deck we want with the given cards and amount of given cards?

[Scaredgirl]

I really like this idea. 60 cards is a much better start. Question though: Do we have to play with a full 60 card deck while we have these starters? Or can we make any deck we want with the given cards and amount of given cards?

Using War terms, this is basically a starting Vault. Players can, and should, tweak those decks before going to battle.

During the event, you carry around all the cards you have. When you get into battle, you can build your deck there on the spot using any cards you are carrying. So you don't have to have the deck ready when you leave the city.

[Kamietsu]

Thanks for the clarification

[suxerz]

Just a quick clarification - you mentioned no rare cards but I saw Miracle and Pharaoh in the starter deck. Does that means these two cards are not considered as rare in WoE? Or rare here actually means no rare weapon?

[Scaredgirl]

Just a quick clarification - you mentioned no rare cards but I saw Miracle and Pharaoh in the starter deck. Does that means these two cards are not considered as rare in WoE? Or rare here actually means no rare weapon?

Yes, those two are not rare in WoE. We use a different kind of rare card system based on crafting. To see which cards are rare in WoE, check out the crafting topics. On top of those, Nymphs and Shards are also rare, just like in the game.

I understand that it doesn't make much sense to give 3 Miracles to a newbie, but those cards can be traded for something they can use (with some coins lost), or saved for future use.

[Kamietsu]

I don't like the idea of including actual game rares into starter decks as not everyone will have those cards. That would put them at a slight disadvantage since they'd have less cards to use.

[Korugar]

Will these decks be modified to incorporate the new cards, if update 1.26 comes out before we start? Or is there little to no chance of that happening?

[majofa]

Ya, I was wondering about only starting with 30 cards.

I also like that the marks now match the decks.

As far as the new cards.. maybe make then quest only?? (like newly discovered cards.. in WoE talk)

[Dragoon]

Why doesn't the Rainbow deck follow the same rules as everybody else's decks?

18 creatures and spells.  Now no one has any weapons to begin with.

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[Xinef]

I don't like the idea of including actual game rares into starter decks as not everyone will have those cards. That would put them at a slight disadvantage since they'd have less cards to use.

Not having these rares puts them at disadvantage in almost all PvP events. They can always sell these cards, and looking at the starting decks it seems that selling/buying cards as your first step after entering WoE is almost as important as it is in the real game. For example a number of elements start with useless cards (deathstalker, dune scorpion without any attack buffing cards, quints could be used only on PUd, fractalled or mindgate'd creatures, etc.)

I'm also worried how is going to fight mono without phase shield. Immortal/Phase Dragon rush without shields? Fractal sparks? Quite incomparable to eg. immolation+ash eaters+phoenixes for example.




Also, there is no thread to ask questions unrelated to any of the threads, so I'll ask here. Are there any special rules concerning Underworld players? Eg. in terms of economy, leadership, conquest, etc? Are they simply a 13th team?
And a related question, what happens when a whole team is eliminated (all their towns and cities captured)? Are they eliminated from the event? This would be quite un-MMORPGish.
I was thinking that maybe players from defeated elements would become 'underworld', like ronins seeking revenge for the destruction of their empire. So there would be no team underworld (although their skills could be accessible), until one team is eliminated, and then they would go around seeking revenge and stuff (right now it looks as if they were avenging some non-existent past). The only problem is how to balance things so that underworld doesn't grow too powerful in the end, and so that eliminating teams actually eliminates threats, not creates new ones. So far I have no good ideas how to do that.
What I like about this whole idea though is that it resembles some epic fantasy settings, where the old races are fighting an ever increasing horde of something (chaos/darkness/zombies etc. depending on settings, in this case rainbow ), and the end of an era is some kind of an epic battle where one of the forces is actually eliminated, and the whole world goes BOOM!, and then empires slowly rebuild and a new era starts.

[Korugar]

I'm also worried how is going to fight mono without phase shield. Immortal/Phase Dragon rush without shields? Fractal sparks? Quite incomparable to eg. immolation+ash eaters+phoenixes for example.

Well, I think a PU/lighting deck, perhaps with mindgates would be pretty effective early on when you know you opponent is going to be using creatures.