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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197316#msg1197316
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2015, 05:34:59 am »
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This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.
... wat

24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around

I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
so by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?
it is practically the same thing

Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
nymphs can survive a lightning. its not reeeeealy worth killing it

and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff

if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway

I do pack 2 octopi.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197317#msg1197317
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2015, 05:40:28 am »
Spoiler for quote pyramid:
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.
... wat

24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around

I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
so by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?
it is practically the same thing

Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
nymphs can survive a lightning. its not reeeeealy worth killing it

and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff

if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway

I do pack 2 octopi.
kinda irrelevant to have icebolts and octopi isnt it? in a mono air rush, people dont pack 6 shockwaves and 3 EEs for a reason

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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197318#msg1197318
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2015, 05:40:59 am »
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.

I've used it in a mono in rushes, dominators, stalls, and stallbreaks -the four major decktypes, in my view of the game. It's useful and normally powerful in any kind of mono-Water.

I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.

Ice Lances don't have the sheer damage potential tears do. Ice Lances can't even OTK and they need a whole game's worth of stall to get close. Meanwhile Tears in a rush-heavy deck often kills in 7 turns and in a domin, often 9. It's CC and occasionally PC, but you use it alongside Tears (or other damage) in either a domin or a stall - you would rarely run it alone.

Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.

Crimson Dragon dies to so much. An unupped Nymph can't die to one Lightning, Shockwave, or unupped Rage Potion, and needs 10 quanta to die to Fire Bolt and 20 for the other bolts, plus two uses of Owl's Eye. Upgraded is even more resilent, as you need 10 more quanta for every bolt, an extra use of Owl's Eye, and upgrading to Rage Elixir doesn't help. Soft CC is far more effective against it, and rush and stall monos both have ways to get around that, so neither is typically game over.

As for Phoenixes being reborn, sure, but that CC above tends to slow Phoenix down just as much, if not more. They're both strong resilent damage - Phoenixes build up damage quicker but Nymphs are a better swarmer and therefore stallbreaker.

kinda irrelevant to have icebolts and octopi isnt it? in a mono air rush, people dont pack 6 shockwaves and 3 EEs for a reason

Not completely, their overlap isn't huge, they both do things the other can't.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197322#msg1197322
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2015, 05:56:46 am »
Spoiler for quote pyramid:
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.
... wat

24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around

I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
so by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?
it is practically the same thing

Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
nymphs can survive a lightning. its not reeeeealy worth killing it

and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff

if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway

I do pack 2 octopi.
kinda irrelevant to have icebolts and octopi isnt it? in a mono air rush, people dont pack 6 shockwaves and 3 EEs for a reason

Octopi are for lockdown, Ice Bolts for killing the player.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197323#msg1197323
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2015, 06:00:59 am »
Ice bolts will not be a faster kill than NT+pillars rush.  >.<  How do you figure / calculate that, Monox?
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197325#msg1197325
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2015, 06:13:31 am »
Ice bolts will not be a faster kill than NT+pillars rush.  >.<  How do you figure / calculate that, Monox?

Ice Bolts goes through Shields.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197326#msg1197326
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2015, 06:21:09 am »
Might as well run a real OTK.

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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197341#msg1197341
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2015, 09:07:14 am »
If shields are such an issue in your NT rush, just splash in a mark for the PC of your choice. (Deflags so fun.)
If sacrificing a pillar is an issue for you, feel free to run nymph queens over NT if you have them.

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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197364#msg1197364
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2015, 11:45:35 am »
If shields are such an issue in your NT rush, just splash in a mark for the PC of your choice. (Deflags so fun.)
My OCD prevents me from putting any card which uses/gives non- :water quanta in my deck.

If sacrificing a pillar is an issue for you, feel free to run nymph queens over NT if you have them.
I do have one if I recall, but I prefer Arctic Dragon for beatdown.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197375#msg1197375
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2015, 12:29:46 pm »
Okay, so basically NT is useless in-element because it's not your preference, and because of non-clinical OCD? We aren't going anywhere with these kinds of arguments.

NT is pretty solid in-element as is. Arguably the most reliable use, even. Monowater NT is a solid rush that's not too vulnerable to CC.

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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1197696#msg1197696
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2015, 04:16:30 pm »
If shields are such an issue in your NT rush, just splash in a mark for the PC of your choice. (Deflags so fun.)

His problem was that NT is pointless for a mono-Water, Fro. - -;
And yes, I must admit Deflag is pretty fun to splash with, since the other instant-PC, Steal, costs 4 darkness, which isn't exactly fun to splash on.
Face it, the popularity of mono-Water NT rush isn't for nothing. The first one costs 7 :water (or 6 :water, upped) and a Water Pillar, which sounds a pretty decent trade instead of 8 :water, but 4 :water and a pillar for a 5/6 frame (or, on a Water Tower, 6/7) afterwards is quite the bargain. You can even slip in a few pends or pillars of other element in exchange of the Water Pillars, too (in fact, one of my favorite decks is a Death/Water NT rush/domin).

And that's not even factoring the fact that not everyone owns 'a crowded harem' (read: lots of Nymphs).
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1869.msg1293461#msg1293461
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2019, 03:40:57 pm »
This quickly becomes self-sufficient with Water Towers and some other Pillars.
It bypasses the RNG and drawing weakness by 3 utilities:
Having few moving parts to chain into rapid attack.
Spending its own resource to raise power, efficiently.
High resilience. Period.

 

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