Post by: Scaredgirl on January 09, 2010, 08:31:51 am
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Discuss.
Post by: zac80 on January 09, 2010, 09:30:32 am
Post by: Getawu2 on January 09, 2010, 10:07:31 am
What happens to a quantum pillar if nymph-ed? Do towers produce the same nymphs as pillars?It becomes a random nymph - zanz said so yesterday in the chat.
Post by: YoYoBro on January 09, 2010, 11:39:13 am
Post by: teffy on January 09, 2010, 07:50:09 pm
Post by: Bloodshadow on January 10, 2010, 01:47:26 am
Zanz should make Level 7 AI that give those legendary cards. Or at least make them available in the Trainer.
Post by: zac80 on January 11, 2010, 12:53:13 pm
Post by: YoYoBro on January 11, 2010, 01:45:55 pm
Post by: jmizzle7 on January 11, 2010, 06:39:44 pm
What about Blue Nymphs (Wind)? And 'unstable gas'? Does anyone know anything about these?I didn't create a thread about it because "Unstable Gas" hasn't been introduced.
Post by: YoYoBro on January 11, 2010, 07:19:59 pm
Post by: Terroking on January 11, 2010, 08:07:55 pm
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Post by: Terroking on January 11, 2010, 08:21:18 pm
Post by: YoYoBro on January 11, 2010, 08:22:27 pm
Post by: zac80 on January 12, 2010, 12:27:44 pm
@Terroking:
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In chat Zanz said that it will be a permanent with the "Ignite" skill, [...]Does it mean that the new skill 'Ignite' will be available for improved mutants as well?
Post by: YoYoBro on January 12, 2010, 01:19:06 pm
Post by: Terroking on January 12, 2010, 08:56:41 pm
Post by: YoYoBro on January 12, 2010, 09:04:30 pm
Post by: Terroking on January 12, 2010, 09:46:24 pm
Post by: Essence on January 20, 2010, 04:45:35 pm
Huzzah!!!
Post by: winner5740 on January 24, 2010, 09:10:02 pm
Post by: Cynxos on January 24, 2010, 09:17:40 pm
Post by: Wolfunit on January 25, 2010, 04:24:53 pm
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Post by: Avenger on March 07, 2010, 08:34:37 pm
Post by: 918273645 on March 08, 2010, 04:28:17 am
Post by: Essence on March 08, 2010, 05:34:47 pm
That's sweet.
Post by: 918273645 on March 14, 2010, 04:08:54 am
What about Blue Nymphs (Wind)? And 'unstable gas'? Does anyone know anything about these?Don't thread hijac, zac80. Anyways, this should be rare.
Post by: xdude on March 14, 2010, 01:15:51 pm
Finally, :air has a decent card. :)Yeah, nypmh's tears is air... Oh wai-
Post by: Baily18 on March 14, 2010, 02:59:57 pm
Was just about to say that xDFinally, :air has a decent card. :)Yeah, nypmh's tears is air... Oh wai-
Post by: harakirinosaru on April 02, 2010, 12:47:54 pm
And does PA prevent Tears from being activated?
Post by: jmizzle7 on April 02, 2010, 03:35:30 pm
Post by: Ryan666 on October 07, 2010, 07:30:46 pm
:fire
Post by: guolin on October 08, 2010, 04:15:40 am
Post by: Essence on October 09, 2010, 01:46:25 am
Post by: GG on November 29, 2010, 06:06:32 pm
Sorry about the update delay. I sorta messed up with wiki images, and finally managed to upload the right images.
Post by: rowcla on January 24, 2011, 05:43:51 am
wow this is so old :oWhat about Blue Nymphs (Wind)? And 'unstable gas'? Does anyone know anything about these?I didn't create a thread about it because "Unstable Gas" hasn't been introduced.
Post by: moosemunch on April 10, 2011, 04:08:26 pm
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on April 11, 2011, 05:12:19 am
The description of this card is slightly wrong. It has the ability of turning the opponent's pillar into nymph. So, it is not "your" pillar, but "a" pillar.I was interested in it, and then tried to do it just now with any hope that it would be awesome if I could get a Nymph from the opponent's pillar. However, his pillar was indeed turned into a Nymph, but it belonged to her. Well, I know that if it works like the way I hope, this card will be overpowered at all cost. I was just... stupid and reckless. :-\
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Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 02:27:31 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on July 18, 2015, 02:38:06 am
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 02:47:23 am
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
Post by: Cardplayer on July 18, 2015, 02:52:42 am
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
The flood (no pun intended) of 5/6 creatures will wreck your opponent, it's a very efficient rush.
Post by: dawn to dusk on July 18, 2015, 02:59:50 am
so by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
it is practically the same thing
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 03:31:35 am
so by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
it is practically the same thing
Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
Post by: dawn to dusk on July 18, 2015, 03:36:15 am
so by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
it is practically the same thing
Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff
if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 05:34:59 am
nymphs can survive a lightning. its not reeeeealy worth killing itso by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
it is practically the same thing
Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff
if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway
I do pack 2 octopi.
Post by: dawn to dusk on July 18, 2015, 05:40:28 am
kinda irrelevant to have icebolts and octopi isnt it? in a mono air rush, people dont pack 6 shockwaves and 3 EEs for a reasonnymphs can survive a lightning. its not reeeeealy worth killing itso by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
it is practically the same thing
Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff
if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway
I do pack 2 octopi.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 18, 2015, 05:40:59 am
This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.
I've used it in a mono in rushes, dominators, stalls, and stallbreaks -the four major decktypes, in my view of the game. It's useful and normally powerful in any kind of mono-Water.
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
Ice Lances don't have the sheer damage potential tears do. Ice Lances can't even OTK and they need a whole game's worth of stall to get close. Meanwhile Tears in a rush-heavy deck often kills in 7 turns and in a domin, often 9. It's CC and occasionally PC, but you use it alongside Tears (or other damage) in either a domin or a stall - you would rarely run it alone.
Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
Crimson Dragon dies to so much. An unupped Nymph can't die to one Lightning, Shockwave, or unupped Rage Potion, and needs 10 quanta to die to Fire Bolt and 20 for the other bolts, plus two uses of Owl's Eye. Upgraded is even more resilent, as you need 10 more quanta for every bolt, an extra use of Owl's Eye, and upgrading to Rage Elixir doesn't help. Soft CC is far more effective against it, and rush and stall monos both have ways to get around that, so neither is typically game over.
As for Phoenixes being reborn, sure, but that CC above tends to slow Phoenix down just as much, if not more. They're both strong resilent damage - Phoenixes build up damage quicker but Nymphs are a better swarmer and therefore stallbreaker.
kinda irrelevant to have icebolts and octopi isnt it? in a mono air rush, people dont pack 6 shockwaves and 3 EEs for a reason
Not completely, their overlap isn't huge, they both do things the other can't.
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 05:56:46 am
kinda irrelevant to have icebolts and octopi isnt it? in a mono air rush, people dont pack 6 shockwaves and 3 EEs for a reasonnymphs can survive a lightning. its not reeeeealy worth killing itso by those standards fire rush is weak since you would rather save quanta for firebolt and fahrenheit instead of playing pheonixes and crimson dragons?This card is almost useless in mono :water decks.... wat
24 water pillars 6 NTs is one of the fastest decks around
I prefer to keep my pillars to save quanta for all my Ice Lances.
it is practically the same thing
Phoenix can be reborn, and Crimson Dragon doesn't have to sacrifice a Pillar to be summoned.
and nymphs cost 4 and a pillar. dragons/pheonixes cost 10/7 respectively. with 24 pillars, 4 water & a pillar is a reasonable tradeoff
if youre that worried, pack 2-3 squids. 9/10 times they are better than icebolt anyway
I do pack 2 octopi.
Octopi are for lockdown, Ice Bolts for killing the player.
Post by: rob77dp on July 18, 2015, 06:00:59 am
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 06:13:31 am
Ice bolts will not be a faster kill than NT+pillars rush. >.< How do you figure / calculate that, Monox?
Ice Bolts goes through Shields.
Post by: Sera on July 18, 2015, 06:21:09 am
Post by: Espithel on July 18, 2015, 09:07:14 am
If sacrificing a pillar is an issue for you, feel free to run nymph queens over NT if you have them.
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on July 18, 2015, 11:45:35 am
If shields are such an issue in your NT rush, just splash in a mark for the PC of your choice. (Deflags so fun.)My OCD prevents me from putting any card which uses/gives non- :water quanta in my deck.
If sacrificing a pillar is an issue for you, feel free to run nymph queens over NT if you have them.I do have one if I recall, but I prefer Arctic Dragon for beatdown.
Post by: Sera on July 18, 2015, 12:29:46 pm
NT is pretty solid in-element as is. Arguably the most reliable use, even. Monowater NT is a solid rush that's not too vulnerable to CC.
Post by: Basman-1453 on July 20, 2015, 04:16:30 pm
If shields are such an issue in your NT rush, just splash in a mark for the PC of your choice. (Deflags so fun.)
His problem was that NT is pointless for a mono-Water, Fro. - -;
And yes, I must admit Deflag is pretty fun to splash with, since the other instant-PC, Steal, costs 4 darkness, which isn't exactly fun to splash on.
Face it, the popularity of mono-Water NT rush isn't for nothing. The first one costs 7 :water (or 6 :water, upped) and a Water Pillar, which sounds a pretty decent trade instead of 8 :water, but 4 :water and a pillar for a 5/6 frame (or, on a Water Tower, 6/7) afterwards is quite the bargain. You can even slip in a few pends or pillars of other element in exchange of the Water Pillars, too (in fact, one of my favorite decks is a Death/Water NT rush/domin).
And that's not even factoring the fact that not everyone owns 'a crowded harem' (read: lots of Nymphs).
Post by: TeRevised on September 01, 2019, 03:40:57 pm
It bypasses the RNG and drawing weakness by 3 utilities:
Having few moving parts to chain into rapid attack.
Spending its own resource to raise power, efficiently.
High resilience. Period.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on September 01, 2019, 09:59:18 pm
This quickly becomes self-sufficient with Water Towers and some other Pillars.
It bypasses the RNG and drawing weakness by 3 utilities:
Having few moving parts to chain into rapid attack.
Spending its own resource to raise power, efficiently.
High resilience. Period.
This is what you're talking about.
Post by: TeRevised on September 02, 2019, 12:35:14 am
Splashing few off color Pilars is improvement and Time Nymph has high Attack as well.
Post by: ddevans96 on September 11, 2019, 11:27:58 pm
This is what you're talking about.
24/6 is not good. This type of deck becomes exponentially better with basically anything useful added to it.
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on October 14, 2019, 07:56:24 am
This is what you're talking about.
24/6 is not good. This type of deck becomes exponentially better with basically anything useful added to it.
What about 6 Water Nymph in addition to the 6 Nymph's Tears? That way we can avoid the literal quanta flood a bit.
Post by: serprex on October 14, 2019, 02:20:50 pm
NT rush doesn't have an issue with quanta. ddevans is pointing out that support lets the deck break away from being so one dimensional. Otherwise there's quite a few "if they have this card, I lose" scenarios