Post by: Naii_the_Baf on November 18, 2020, 03:19:29 am
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Deckbuilding All decks must be made ready before the timer goes to zero, after which editing decks is forbidden. Failure to have all of the decks ready will lead to a severe card penalty and/or automatic losses. It is highly recommended that all team members double-check their decks before duels.Deadline: 22nd Nov GMT 03:00 Duel phase has started | Duels Duel phase starts when deckbuilding ends.Deadline: 25th Nov GMT 03:00 Fighting ends! PM your opponent and try to find a suitable time. Time Zone Converter (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html) might be useful here. If you cannot find a time when you both are online, please contact the Warmaster--Naii_the_Baf--immediately. If the match does not happen, you both lose by default unless one of you is clearly more active and flexible. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Event Card (https://i.imgur.com/QpmrOpI.png) Selections must be made during the first 48 hours of deckbuilding: Time's up! Teams' selections will be announced publicly after time's up. Teams should post their selection in their private section. If multiple teams select the same card, the EC will be reapplied; i.e. if an even number of teams selects the same card, nothing will happen; otherwise, the modifiers will be switched. Example: Team :death wants to select Quantum Pillar. It can't, because its modifiers have a difference of 1 (0/-1). Team :death then selects Bone Dragon. It can, because its modifiers have a difference of 0.5 (0/-0.5). Then, if an odd number of teams selected Bone Dragon, the modifiers will be switched (Bone Dragon becomes -0.5/0 for a round). | Battles --------------------------=--------------------------
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For this round:
Discards - 24
Salvage - 6
EC choices:
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:air: Titan
:entropy: Nova
:fire: Fractal
:life: Nova
:light: Immolation
:time: Shard of Readiness
Dimensional Shield is -1.5/-1
Titan is -0.5/0
Fractal is -2/-1.5
Immolation is -1.5/-1
Shard of Readiness is -1/-0.5
Post by: Aves on November 18, 2020, 04:38:45 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 18, 2020, 08:44:45 am
Post by: Wyand on November 18, 2020, 11:12:33 am
Post by: serprex on November 18, 2020, 12:46:02 pm
Once the timer is off choices will get publicized?
ofc
Post by: Wyand on November 18, 2020, 01:19:45 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on November 18, 2020, 01:21:25 pm
Teams' selections will be announced publicly after the timer's up.
Yes, they'll be publicized by team.
Post by: serprex on November 18, 2020, 01:28:56 pm
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on November 18, 2020, 01:55:00 pm
It could be fun to keep the effects secret & let teams guess whether their decks are illegal or notIt would change the whole strategy to targeting cards your opponents tend to play unupgraded to make their decks illegal on purpose... speaking of, will vaults correctly display the updated upgrade cost?
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 18, 2020, 01:58:42 pm
[13:37:36] ‹worldwideweb3› the advantage
[13:37:39] ‹worldwideweb3› this ec gives
[13:37:43] ‹worldwideweb3› to only certain teams
[13:39:13] ‹worldwideweb3› mainly to aether and fire
[13:39:32] ‹worldwideweb3› then a bit to light and time
[13:39:34] ‹worldwideweb3› then entropy
[13:39:37] ‹worldwideweb3› and us at the end
[13:45:34] ‹worldwideweb3› the buffs that our cards receive are tech cards, of which we only put 1 or two copies if that
[13:45:37] ‹worldwideweb3› you look at other decks
[13:45:40] ‹serprex› ‹@worldwideweb3› I see, but I'm not WM, that said my suggestion would make it a very nice EC for you
[13:45:50] ‹worldwideweb3› upped crema dropping to 1 potentially
[13:46:00] ‹worldwideweb3› upped phase dragon GIVING you 0.5 ups
[13:46:46] ‹worldwideweb3› upped potion dropping to 0 thats such great CC if they need
[13:47:31] ‹worldwideweb3› upped phase salvager giving 1.5 (???)
[13:49:33] ‹serprex› ‹@worldwideweb3› get rekt
[13:50:18] ‹worldwideweb3› its nice in theory, but with the market prices it just doesnt work
[13:51:42] ‹serprex› The issue is that it effectively buffs modifiers, but it's better to nerf modifiers than buff
[13:51:56] ‹serprex› Since buffing makes it "use these subset of cards" as opposed to "use something besides these set of cards"
[13:52:50] ‹worldwideweb3› i would be happier if it was that the upped cards cost is now applied to unupped copy of that card
[13:52:56] ‹worldwideweb3› thatd make it into an attacking EC
[13:53:06] ‹worldwideweb3› so someone could target our sofree and itd be 2 instead of 1.5
[13:53:44] ‹worldwideweb3› and we can target something like say spark, and the unupped spark would be -0.5
[13:56:11] ‹serprex› Yep, agre
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 18, 2020, 02:00:13 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on November 18, 2020, 03:14:01 pm
It could be fun to keep the effects secret & let teams guess whether their decks are illegal or notIt would change the whole strategy to targeting cards your opponents tend to play unupgraded to make their decks illegal on purpose... speaking of, will vaults correctly display the updated upgrade cost?
Yeah, I'll update them when time's up
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on November 18, 2020, 03:21:00 pm
I can go in more detail but its pretty obvious its very unbalanced when this EC has the capability to buff a 26 up crema rush even more.
There's also the choice to make other teams' plans crash and burn by selecting the card you think they will select.
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 18, 2020, 03:29:03 pm
I can go in more detail but its pretty obvious its very unbalanced when this EC has the capability to buff a 26 up crema rush even more.
There's also the choice to make other teams' plans crash and burn by selecting the card you think they will select.
More often than not, given the amount of cards there are, you are likely to double help them by picking a different card.
Post by: andretimpa on November 18, 2020, 03:41:11 pm
I can go in more detail but its pretty obvious its very unbalanced when this EC has the capability to buff a 26 up crema rush even more.
There's also the choice to make other teams' plans crash and burn by selecting the card you think they will select.
You need to give up your buff for that tho. Targetting other teams will at best make you even.
@w3 did you miss SoFree and wings in the list?
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 18, 2020, 04:02:34 pm
I can go in more detail but its pretty obvious its very unbalanced when this EC has the capability to buff a 26 up crema rush even more.
There's also the choice to make other teams' plans crash and burn by selecting the card you think they will select.
You need to give up your buff for that tho. Targetting other teams will at best make you even.
@w3 did you miss SoFree and wings in the list?
upped sofree being 1.5 isnt that great an advantage or upped wings being 1, considering that we function with unupped copies of those cards anyways and upped copies dont add anything. The issue is with cards like Crema being able to afford more ups now (as it is used as an upped card), or the Upped phase dragon giving more ups to the deck, or the upped salvager again giving more to the deck. These are cards where there is significant difference between upped and unupped, and having them upped makes a massive difference. If you make upped damsel and wyrm be 0, then thats equal playing field.
Post by: shockcannon on November 18, 2020, 05:06:47 pm
Post by: Naesala on November 18, 2020, 06:31:16 pm
Post by: Zyardran on November 18, 2020, 06:38:36 pm
Looks like team entropy's matches got hit with a Discord (they're really scrambled badly, might wanna fix that).
She ain't lyin' John (https://i.imgur.com/tC0YqjE_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on November 18, 2020, 06:50:52 pm
Post by: worldwideweb3 on November 19, 2020, 10:47:54 am
We will go with nova/supernova i guess.
Post by: Wyand on November 19, 2020, 02:09:54 pm
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Teams' selections will be announced publicly after time's up.
Teams should post their selection in their private section.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on November 20, 2020, 03:01:02 am
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:air: Titan
:entropy: Nova
:fire: Fractal
:life: Nova
:light: Immolation
:time: Shard of Readiness
Nova is unaffected, all other cards are affected
Post by: Wyand on November 20, 2020, 03:06:06 am
Otherways, I'd like to ask everyone that pls do not turn this event into Mafia.
If not understandable Link and me sorta wasted our proper EC choice because of www's shenanigans.
Must also add that this EC favored all cards, and hated one: Nova.
Post by: MasterWalks on November 20, 2020, 03:25:01 am
Otherways, I'd like to ask everyone that pls do not turn this event into Mafia.
If not understandable Link and me sorta wasted our proper EC choice because of www's shenanigans.
Must also add that this EC favored all cards, and hated one: Nova.
I do not understand. You mean like people increasing card price so other people have difficulty using it? I thought that was the point of this EC.
Post by: Wyand on November 20, 2020, 03:32:12 am
Choosing yourself: helping yourself. Someone else chooses this, too: it just gets nullified, normal mods, no loss, no gain.
If you chose Nova, well it isn't really helping yourself. It helps SNova, ok, but SNovabows are rarely played. Bows played
in war are 95% novabows. Which means you can't help Nova, you can only hinder Nova.
www said he will choose Nova to instigate teams which frequently uses Nova to choose Nova, thus we lost the opportunity
to use this EC meaningfully. We were locked to choose Nova - if we wanted to save it from the atrocity.
Post by: shockcannon on November 20, 2020, 03:43:18 am
And if your intended goal was to keep nova the same and you're just upset that you had to also pick nova to keep it the same, then getting upset over that is just telegraphing to all the other teams that your decks this round need normal costed unupped nova in it. Which means you just hurt yourself even more.
Wyand's mindgating score = Noob/10 (which unbelievably is still higher than team :life who actually fell for www3's most see through plan of the century)
EDIT:
Actually I realized that :life probably wanted to keep nova the same also which means they're probably happy overall but that means both :entropy and :life fell for www3's trap. Which is actually hilarious that his plan worked. You all know I'm the only one here with the guts to actually post any of my real plans publicly. Like holy cow, you two have reached a new level of noob. I never thought I'd see the day that worldwidenoob actually succeeded in a plan.
Also time picking SoR is sooooooooooooo basic. Didn't even try to throw anyone off. Just playing the same old predictable decks they always do but making them as efficient as possible. Efficient decks don't beat hard counters no matter how hard you try but keep at it.
At least :aether picked a good in-element card. Because there's a real chance they play 0 dim shields this round. But discounted dim shields is also OP and everyone is scared of them. That's a good example of EC usage. Everyone else played themselves. Also light picking immo has gotta be a troll especially since we're facing them this round. Congrats :light 200 IQ play right there.
Post by: Naesala on November 20, 2020, 05:05:40 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 20, 2020, 10:15:16 am
Post by: Wyand on November 20, 2020, 10:36:54 am
that's part of the game, but telling publicly smth about your choice when it is posted in the rules that you must post it secretly,
then choosing something else, this is such a dick move, that I'm sorry I'm not a WM...
Btw I don't mind "telegraphing" stuff about Nova. Ppl always expect :entropy to play Nova, nothing new happened.
It is almost the same stuff :aether choosing Dims - except they were able to boost their op-est card, meanwhile we had to
save it from a troll.
Hey shock, cool opinions and analysis and all, but could you be less of a dick? Be pretty cool if you were less of a dick. I don't know or care if it's a schtick.
Ah, just don't care about it Nae. Shock is the prime example of a herbivore who poses as a predator to try to scare off others.
Post by: Linkcat on November 20, 2020, 10:42:42 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on November 20, 2020, 10:51:25 am
Post by: serprex on November 20, 2020, 02:48:19 pm
So let me get this straight, Wyand's mad that www3 was saying nothing true, the guy who will always go on about wanting to draw cards that aren't in his deck as if they are
Then I can't tell whether he's glad or not that Nova pick was nullified. Because if he's glad it was nullified.. that's his result. & if he's not.. are we really suggesting :entropy prefers Nova at -0.5 as opposed to a -0.5 SN?? Because saying "war bows use Nova" doesn't make much sense when that wouldn't be the case if SN was -0.5
I don't know, seems to me Wyand should be thanking www3 for calling Linkcat's play
Anyways usual Wyand overthinking things. If you really believed others would be targetting Nova, then you should've just picked a random card like BH or EQ & let whatever happens with Nova happen
tl;dr this qq is delicious