War #12 - Rules

[asdw152]

Do you mean Week of Welcome SEC? That ends in round 3.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I mean how the effects of the extra discards mentioned at the end of 4.3 combine with reduced discards from the religious organization.

+2 discard from vault -2 discard from unmentioned combines to?

[mathman101]

I find the new rules based on the alignment of the moon and sun match score to be rather confusing.
Apparently we discard +2 cards per match we go 0 - 3 (since it's not round 5 yet), and these 2 cards come from vault, correct? Now we have an Event Card that reduces discard by 2. Does that mean we get 2 less deck discards, as we had planned, or that the EC is rendered almost useless by reducing vault discard by 2?

In general, when teams want less discards, they want less deck discards. I could not care less about vault discards yet, at this point in war. I know the discard role focuses on vault discard unless none is available, but nothing is specified like this for the EC.

We understand that the extra salvage/discard, and then also removal of salvage/discard can be confusing and for that we do apologize as that was not our original intent when we were trying to implement the new ideas and Event cards.

We did not have an intention for the removal of discards through the Super Event Card to be from a specific place. To try and create the least amount of friction, the ruling will be that these 2 less discards may be from either deck or vault.

[Vineroz]

A series of questions regarding transmutation:

Spoiler for transmutation table:

Market Price	50-	60-100	105-150	160+	Pillars/Pendulums/Marks
Dust gained from grounding	2	3	4	5	3
Dust cost to transmute	5	7	10	13	N/A

1a. Is the first bucket meant to be having a market price of 50-55?
1b. If yes, is it possible to transmute cards with cost less than 50?
1c. If yes, What are their grounding/crafting cost?

2a. Is the vault building discount considered during transmutation?
2b. If yes, am I correct to assume that we can use the card cost in vault building tool to calculate grounding/crafting cost?

[mathman101]

A series of questions regarding transmutation:

Spoiler for transmutation table:

Market Price	50-	60-100	105-150	160+	Pillars/Pendulums/Marks
Dust gained from grounding	2	3	4	5	3
Dust cost to transmute	5	7	10	13	N/A

1a. Is the first bucket meant to be having a market price of 50-55? nope this is anything minus 50.  0-50 might be a clearer way to write it.
1b. If yes, is it possible to transmute cards with cost less than 50?
1c. If yes, What are their grounding/crafting cost?

2a. Is the vault building discount considered during transmutation? Let me confirm this with the other WMs, but I believe our intention is no so that way transmutations are even for all teams. That was something we had not balanced the discount boosts for, but I will confirm and return with an answer for you.
2b. If yes, am I correct to assume that we can use the card cost in vault building tool to calculate grounding/crafting cost? If we go this route, then yes the market prices from your vaultbuilding tool can be used.

[immortal feud]

why would you need to grind cards cheaper than 100 down when PPM grind for the same amount of dust?

[kaempfer13]

i guess 55 and 155 cost cards cannot be transmuted then 

[dawn to dusk]

i guess 55 and 155 cost cards cannot be transmuted then 

*Cries in Golden Dragon*

[worldwideweb3]

[01:43:21] ‹Vineroz› I guess SoFree is the only card that has better value when transmute than buying from vault building

Especially with alchemist. Either need to change the trasmutation cost or not allow shards to be transmutated. RN, fractal and sundial are in the same bracket as sofree, massive loophole.

For next war

[dawn to dusk]

[01:43:21] ‹Vineroz› I guess SoFree is the only card that has better value when transmute than buying from vault building

Especially with alchemist. Either need to change the trasmutation cost or not allow shards to be transmutated. RN, fractal and sundial are in the same bracket as sofree, massive loophole.

For next war

I disagree with Shards not being Transmutable, but cards over 200 Market Price should have that restriction

[Manuel]

> risked a lot to not bring them, an 1-3 in first round was an autoloss in war
> planned everything during the vaultbuilding weeks ago
> 4-0 first round, if we wasn't going to win we wasn't able to get sofree
> still traded 3 cards for a single sofree, i didn't get it gratis

pls fix transmutation is broken
 
there are team fire and team gravity doing a giveaway of sofree and sopa, u was able to salvage 4 sofree gratis, i tossed away 18 cards and 4 wins for them your way is totally more balanced than mine don't make me laugh

[RavingRabbid]

> risked a lot to not bring them, an 1-3 in first round was an autoloss in war
> planned everything during the vaultbuilding weeks ago
> 4-0 first round, if we wasn't going to win we wasn't able to get sofree
> still traded 3 cards for a single sofree, i didn't get it gratis

pls fix transmutation is broken
 
there are team fire and team gravity doing a giveaway of sofree and sopa, u was able to salvage 4 sofree gratis, i tossed away 18 cards and 4 wins for them your way is totally more balanced than mine don't make me laugh

gratis means free for those unfamiliar with italian