War #10 - Round 7

[Blacksmith]

I think this ruling is strange but don't matter to much since it's only benefit teams with small vaults. If it had benefited top teams only that would have been more problematic.

[iancudorinmarian]

Generals should be the ones rolling the dice

Anyway, this is a really cool EC.

[deuce22]

I think this ruling is strange but don't matter to much since it's only benefit teams with small vaults. If it had benefited top teams only that would have been more problematic.

It also has a big impact for top teams because of last round's EC, for those that bet on light dying this round...

[iancudorinmarian]

...aren't matches created before the team can discard/salvage? How can you transmute and change from 3 players to 2 players before you can even discard/salvage?...

That's similar to salvaging cards and discarding them in the same round, which is not allowed.

So, team did the salvage/discard from round 6 before round 7 deckbuilding phase. Seems fair. This is bending the rules to a whole new level.

[Jenkar]

Can several rolls be done for a deck? (assuming no change)
Do all rolls have to be done at the same time?

[Vineroz]

I am trying to make things clear here. Here are some "facts" from what I observed (from chat, spreadsheets and posts)

After R6 DB phase, vault has 102 cards instead of 104 (because they forgot the extra salvage). This accident was discussed between team and WMs during R6 Duel Phase, where they agreed to make that a transmutation instead. (this should leave them at 103 cards, and the transmutation would be reflected on R6 modifier) This is practically a late modification of vault, while acknowledged by WMs. Do WMs hold the responsibilties for this? Is this allowed from the rules? This is the first problem.

The second problem: While still during R6 Duel Phase (presumably after all 4 team matches), team contacted WMs and ask for a transmutation from their R6 salvages, because that would leave them at 103 + 12 (2 match salvage) - 40 (2 match discard) - 1 (transmutation they asked for) = 74 cards, which in turns become what you guys can see now in R7 thread (2 matchs for ) and in standings page (74 cards, with the modifier already included). This is clearly an early modification of vault, which also affects the whole R7 matchups (and to some people, relic bets).

Personal opinion here. The first problem sounds like a minor penalty as it doesn't really disrupt war. However the second problem is much more severe as it affects quite a few aspects of the progress of War. In both cases WMs are a part of it. I am sincerely hoping for a public official response on this matter.

[killsdazombies]

It would have been better if light just titled one of their threads wrong and taken a two card penalty... this I literally the worst possible solution to "give us -2 cards"

Which I might add I support. This wAR has been very "anti bottom teams" so far, with an even designed to tank weak elements, and a two deck minimum.

[Fippe94]

Since the current event card affect salvage, this makes light's "advance-transmutation" even more questionable.

[majofa]

WMs this is a bad precedent.... I know you're not going to do anything about it, but just thought I'd let you know.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

So if Fire wanted 4 matches I should have contacted warmasters ahead of time to break rules and get an official stamp of approval for it? I mean come on, if anyone has trouble with cards/match it's Fire. (127/5=25.4)
Give Light their match back or take another match from Fire, this is just...

Whatever.

Oh, and where's Death's penalty for changing their mark vs Water last round? We're not allowed to but they get away with it unpenalized by not asking wms in advance? Do wms hate Fire/me so much as to make an exception for everyone but Fire?
Consistent ruling dammit.
You should just remove my matchup and me from war at this point, it's not like I can build decks for 5 matches regardless (only half serious, but this is starting to get old).

Bah.

[Spielkind]

It will not change much, but me loves you, TorB. 

[ARTHANASIOS]

gamble = taking risks

no one forced you to use that EC and bet any relics to be fair

wake up people...