War #10 - Round 10

[mathman101]

WAR #10 Round 10 The clock ticks and tocks as the hands of the fallen warriors hit the ground. The battlefield thins as many have perished but the time for war is not over yet.	Read the War Rules Contact Warmasters News Entropy has been eliminated!
Deckbuilding Duel phase has started 5/11/2016 0000 GMT Teams have to build decks for all players who are fighting during this round. All team members participate in the planning. Please do not post your decks in public or talk about them in chat. All decks must be made ready before the timer goes to zero, after which, editing decks is strictly forbidden. Failure to have all of the decks ready will lead to a severe card penalty and/or automatic losses. It is highly recommended that all team members double-check their decks before the duels start.	Duels Fighting ends! 8/11/2016 0000 GMT Duel phase starts when deckbuilding ends. PM your opponent and try to find a suitable time. Time Zone Converter might be useful here. If you cannot find a time when you both are online, please contact Warmasters--mathman101 and Physsion--immediately. If the match does not happen, you both lose by default unless one of you is clearly more active and flexible. Duels are "best-of-five", you must use the deck and mark built during the previous phase, and you cannot make any changes to your deck or mark during the round. Please make sure to record your duels as shown in the Rules: (Air Gen) KingKiller 3 - 1 (Water Lt) LordOwner (Air Sld) KingKiller 3 - 1 (Water Gen) LordOwner (Air Lt) KingKiller 3 - 1 (Water Sld) (Sub) LordOwner (SUB indicates that someone else played instead of LordOwner)
Event Card Dead teams are to post in their secret section before end of deckbuilding deadline which deck they want to use and who they target. Normal Discards (20 all from vault), no salvage.	Battles Spoiler for Air: 9 Gen. Afdarenty Gen. JonathanCrazyJ 3 Basman-1453 Gen. Blacksmith 7 Hyroen RapidStar_ 12 chrispybacon84 Gen. worldwideweb3 6 trashduke manaboy100 Spoiler for Darkness: 2 Gen. Aves Spielkind 7 RapidStar_ Hyroen 8 Sera majofa 10 Zawadx ji412jo Spoiler for Earth: 3 Gen. Blacksmith Basman-1453 4 Jenkar RavingRabbid 11 Ryli Naesala 10 ji412jo Zawadx 6 manaboy100 trashduke Spoiler for Gravity: 12 Gen. worldwideweb3 chrispybacon84 11 Naesala Ryli 5 Odii Odsen Ginyu 1 kaempfer13 Manuel 8 majofa Sera Spoiler for Water: 9 Gen. JonathanCrazyJ Gen. Afdarenty 5 Ginyu Odii Odsen 1 Manuel kaempfer13 4 RavingRabbid Jenkar 2 Spielkind Gen. Aves --------------------------=--------------------------

For this round:
Discards - 20 (14 from deck, 6 from vault)
Salvage - 6

[JonathanCrazyJ]

With the dead teams gaining nothing from winning, they will all target Air. It's not fair on air... I mean, I don't want targets myself, but this seems like it could inhibit a fair result of war rather than simply speeding it up like the previous (very good) EC.

Also, allowing them to use ANY deck from war makes it almost impossible to fully mindgate, in fact it makes it easier for the dead teams than some of the living

Also, how do the living teams decide which deck to use against the dead teams that target them, considering they will only find out at the end of deckbuilding phase?

[worldwideweb3]

Too many discards in EC. 7*20 = 140 discards, way way too many

[kaempfer13]

Didnt expect that EC to make a comeback, given that it could easily disrupt the flow of war (though it will probably be roughly the same as the previous rounds in practice, just that the dead teams dont have to worry about discards).
What deck does the targeted team field? Are we allowed to prepare a new deck for the extra matches?

[Jenkar]

This round's matchups are a bit crazy, and this EC... yeah, agreed on the discards being a bit too high. Maybe sliding scale on the ranking of the teams (lower teams get the 20 discards)?

What person do the decks target? Or do they target a team, and then the team in question choose the player? Can the targetter use relics?

[kaempfer13]

Also are number of upgrades the exact same as in the original deck/ limited to a maximum/ limited but can be shifted around freely? Also, what Jenkar said/asked.

[Odii Odsen]

Please nerf the EC. The idea of this EC is nice but just a bit too hard. We all spent a lot of time in this war and all the effort can be ruined in 3 days.

1. Discards are too high. 6-10 maybe?
2. There should be a limit on a target, like: max. 2 (dead) elements can target an element.
3. Can we defend with any deck we want?
4. Maybe allow (a smaller) salvage (than six cards)?

[JonathanCrazyJ]

OK

This was used last war. It was fine BECAUSE these were the rules: (War 9 Round 12)

A team can't be targetted more than twice. Dead teams can only use cards available in their vault from the previous round they died (ie, not counting discards after they died - You can use any cards that show in your vault.) Dead and alive teams should both post decks in private section. Alive teams can also only use cards left in vault, however, these cards will be treated as seperate compared to normal duels. So, if you have 6 schrodinger cats, you can use 6 in the duel against dead team and in your normal duel. Dead team have a choice of which role they want to play the deck as (General, tinker etc). Alive teams may only play with Lt. roles (ie, only 9 ups). If alive team wins, they get no salvage. If they lose, they have to discard 15 cards from their vault (not from deck).
Dead teams need to post/send their targets before two days of deadline of DB phase.

THIS is balanced.
-Only targetable twice
-Teams can only use cards from their vault
-Had to decide teams / matchups within 2 days.

The way the EC is at the moment it could be catastrophic to the fair outcome of war, and even if not everyone targets air, it could wreck lower teams chances of achieving their goals. Final placement matters to non-winning Generals, please don't take it lightly.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

[00:14:04] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› srsly though, war has boiled down to an epic struggle with Earth for 3rd place
[00:14:20] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› i'll be really upset if this EC spoils it in either direction

[00:15:52] ‹Odii_Odsen› If air lose a lot of cards because this EC, I really dont want to win this war anymore
[00:16:09] ‹Odii_Odsen› well, not only air, any element actually.

Nobody wants this EC to affect the outcome of war, or even the positions of teams below 1st finish.
Gravity have fought extremely hard to get to a point they can match air. They don't want help that they didn't earn, and they certainly don't want their hard work undone.
Please rethink this WMs.

[worldwideweb3]

Also, lol, majo vs Sera again

[deuce22]

I feel like the element of this EC should be death, not time

[Solaris]

THIS IS FOR THE MINES