Post by: plastiqe on March 02, 2010, 06:22:49 am
- This is the quest you get once you've finished the one for 150 points.
- Easiest way to complete it is by beating on the level 3's till you reach 500 points.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/plastiqe/weapon.jpg)
- Ok, so you've reached 500 points, now what should you pick?
- Different weapons will excel in different situations, the answer depends on what your goals are.
- What I'll do is provide a bit of insight and my ratings for each weapon, so you can make an informed decision.
- Many of the AI at levels 3 and up will have a rare weapon in their deck, so you'll have a small chance of winning one when you beat them.
- Arena offers a semi-reliable way to earn rares. When you gain enough consecutive victories (5 for Bronze, 4 for Silver, 3 for Gold, and 2 for Platinum) you will get a bonus spin. This spin will be solely composed of four different rare cards (unupped for Bronze and Silver, upped for Gold and Platinum).
- Way back in the day there was a T50 where players would sometimes put up a rare farm deck composed entirely of rares and pillars. This gave you a really good chance at winning the rares in that deck when you beat it, so it was possible to collect them all. This is how the veteran players collected all their easymode weapons and shards before Arena came along.
- If I was starting again from scratch I'd probably choose Arsenic, it's good for pvp & Arena and fits in my favourite deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12102.0.html).
- "It really depends on what sort of deck you have. If you're running mono-aether and you like it, get a Lobotomizer. A poison deck, get an Arsenic. Don't just get the overall "best" weapon; you'll win all of them eventually. Find one that fits your current deck."
~ mesaprotector - "..a player shouldn't choose their rare until they are ready to start FG farming. By the time they've done that much grinding, they may have already won an eternity or pulverizer, so they could choose something else. You really only need one eternity and/or pulverizer in FG decks."
~ Demagog
THE WEAPONS
On the left is the unupgraded version, and on the right is the upgraded version. You'll be able to upgrade cards once you've finished this quest, it'll costs 1500 electrum each. The rare you choose will be unupgraded.
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I rated the weapons from most useful to least useful. That's not to say that a one star weapon is useless, just that it's not as useful as a five star weapon. As always, your mileage may vary.
Post by: Essence on March 02, 2010, 07:45:10 am
Badass thread, BTW. +Karma.
Post by: -Phiryos- on March 02, 2010, 09:57:46 am
Post by: cokeandaspirin on March 02, 2010, 01:11:55 pm
Post by: Scaredgirl on March 02, 2010, 04:31:33 pm
This was moved to "Newbie Tutorials" section so it needs a it bit of work though..
1. Best weapon vs. which one to pick
The title suggests that this thread is about which weapon to pick from the 500 quest, but the content talks more about what is the "best" weapon. The problem is that those are two different things.
For example Eternity is considered by many the best choice as the reward weapon simply because it's hands down the best weapon in FG decks, therefore the best weapon if you want to get rich fast. However if we talk about the best weapon in general (for example for PvP), opinions may vary as there are many other. I personally feel Pulverizer is a much "better" weapon than Eternity.
When a newbie reads this thread, it can actually do more harm than good because this thread strengthens the believe that you should pick the "best" weapon as a reward, when you should in reality pick the weapon that helps you the most in your current situation.
For example reading this thread, a newbie might think that Fahrenheit (4/5) is a good choice when in fact it's a horrible choice because it's almost useless against FG's.
So I suggest you choose one of these two options:
1. Best weapon
2. Best weapon to pick as a reward
.. and go with that. Other option is of course to somehow incorporate the both and explain the differences.
2. Rating
Problem here is that the rating is just an opinion of one player. There's nothing really wrong with giving your own opinions but we have tools to get everyone's opinion so we should use them. For example I strongly agree with some of the ratings you have there. I'm not saying I'm wrong and you are right, but when we have 100+ all give their own opinions, the results are closer to truth.
I suggest you remake this thread with a poll. This way we get a better understanding what the general public thinks about these cards. The poll should probably let you choose 3 weapons you would pick, like "What 3 rare weapons would you pick first?", or if you want to talk about the best weapon, it could say for example "What are the 3 best weapons?".
3. The layout breaks with a smaller resolution
This is just a minor layout issue but should still be fixed.
You'll see the problem if you resize the browser window and make it smaller. As you can see the text columns on the right become too narrow or even brake the layout.
There's an easy fix though. Either make the first two images smaller or get rid of the tables and put the text under the images.
In other news. if I may, I'd like to use this post in the new Wiki I'm building (you will of course be credited for it).
Post by: ltenn1 on March 02, 2010, 06:00:05 pm
And Trident 1 star? I have big problems with that...
Post by: Rahlious on March 02, 2010, 07:58:52 pm
Here is some info regarding weapons from Level 3.
Easiest is Owl's Eye: There are 2 of them in the same 36 card deck.
Hardest is Pulverizer: There is only one and it is in a 58 card deck.
Impossible is Lobotomizer: Not contained in any Level 3 decks.
For FG farming, I would recommend Eternity or Pulverizer. I prefer Eternity since it allows running a smaller optimized deck without the risk of carding out. It really sucks to have a game under control and then card out. Eternity can also be used to send back troublesome/buffed creatures and rescue any of your own creatures that have been debuffed (lobotomized, poisoned, frozen). Pulverizer is also very useful for FG farming, especially against the harder FGs (Rainbow, Hermes, Obliverator) but when you start out, it is best to specialize your deck to go after the easier FGs (the ones without Permanent control).
Here is a list from easiest to hardest. List also has the number of weapons along with the deck size in () parentheses
2 Owl's Eye (36) Same Deck
2 Vampire Stiletto (37) (40)
2 Morning Star (38) (40)
2 Druidic Staff (38) (58)
1 Arsenic (40)
1 Trident (40)
1 Discord (40)
1 Titan (40)
1 Eternity (44)
1 Fahrenheit (45)
1 Pulverizer (58)
0 Lobotomizer (can't get this weapon from Level 3)
Post by: ivalmian on March 02, 2010, 10:25:00 pm
Post by: plastiqe on March 02, 2010, 10:50:21 pm
Fixed?
Post by: icybraker on March 03, 2010, 12:22:36 am
However, I agree with most of Scaredgirl's comments. I disagree with a couple of your ratings, and even if some may consider an Arsenic as a "better" weapon than the Eternity, most players will agree that an Eternity or a Pulverizer would be the smartest choice for choosing the weapon.
Post by: Tea is good on March 03, 2010, 01:43:44 am
On the other hand, I like the fact that this thread exists, it will be very helpful to all those noobs asking everyone what weapon to pick. Thanks!
Post by: PuppyChow on March 03, 2010, 04:24:18 am
Do you plan on farming some top 50 and then slowly work up to FGs?
Do you plan on farming some AI5s and then slowly work up to FGs?
If it's the former, I would choose a "rare" rare card such as morning star, *gasp* vampire dagger, titan, lobotomizer, discord, etc.
If it's the later, I would choose a pulverizor or eternity since those are heavily used in false god decks.
Post by: Delreich on March 03, 2010, 05:10:51 am
If it's the former, I would choose a "rare" rare card such as morning star, *gasp* vampire dagger, titan, lobotomizer, discord, etc.In that case, I would wait as long as possible before choosing, just in case the eternity or pulverizer decide to not show up.
Post by: Juyong on March 03, 2010, 07:24:22 am
Post by: Bim on March 05, 2010, 03:13:02 pm
What rare to choose really depends on what you plan to do.I don't think anyone should ever pick vampire dagger. I have 5 of them just from farming AI3 and I started playing only recently.
Do you plan on farming some top 50 and then slowly work up to FGs?
Do you plan on farming some AI5s and then slowly work up to FGs?
If it's the former, I would choose a "rare" rare card such as morning star, *gasp* vampire dagger, titan, lobotomizer, discord, etc.
If it's the later, I would choose a pulverizor or eternity since those are heavily used in false god decks.
Post by: CB! on March 05, 2010, 10:24:15 pm
I don't think anyone should ever pick vampire dagger. I have 5 of them just from farming AI3 and I started playing only recently.Good to know... I've only got 2 and I've been playing forever... but have never farm AI3...
Post by: Athadeus on March 06, 2010, 09:25:43 am
Funny thing is, the AI put Arsenic out on first turn, and that alone could beat some really bad decks or terrible draws. Gotta keep out the trash haha. I got lucky and 3 quantum pillars gave me 3 darkness so I stole it on my second turn.
Also, I have already played like 500 games against AI3 with ~80% wins and got 2 vampire daggers, 1 Owl's Eye, 2 Druidic staves, and a Morning Star.
Post by: Rahlious on March 07, 2010, 05:18:25 pm
DO NOT PICK the following weapons for your reward as they are very easy to get by farming Level 3. See my post above about Level 3 weapons.What rare to choose really depends on what you plan to do.I don't think anyone should ever pick vampire dagger. I have 5 of them just from farming AI3 and I started playing only recently.
Do you plan on farming some top 50 and then slowly work up to FGs?
Do you plan on farming some AI5s and then slowly work up to FGs?
If it's the former, I would choose a "rare" rare card such as morning star, *gasp* vampire dagger, titan, lobotomizer, discord, etc.
If it's the later, I would choose a pulverizor or eternity since those are heavily used in false god decks.
Owl's Eye
Vampire Stiletto
Morning Star
Druidic Staff
Post by: 918273645 on March 09, 2010, 06:37:12 pm
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy why Trident has to low ranking i like it!!!!It takes :earth and :water to use.
EDIT: Pulvey uses :earth and :gravity , but it got 5 stars.
Post by: Glitch on March 09, 2010, 06:57:36 pm
Whoa Whoa, Whats with the low rating on the Trident/Poseidon. It's a pulverizer, except for pillars. Without pillars the foundation of elements starts to crumble. Barely anyone uses pillarless decks these days except as a novelty. When fighting HBs and you steal this weapon (water decks have it, but usually don't have the earth to use it). They are basically sunk. No pillars = easy, easy win.Well, the problem is that water/earth sucks as a deck. And before you post back refuting that opinion, know I mean that comparably to the other decks that are far easier made by the combos. Pulverizer fits in a really common deck that would be just as good without it. Poseidon... not so much.
Post by: TheMadEvil on March 10, 2010, 02:26:06 pm
and i agree that this should be made less subjective, maybe tailored more to what each weapon works good with. give some suggestions for uses of weapons, so a player can decide which weapon is best for them from what they think they'd like to do with their deck. combos are good to list as well, such as druidic + adrenaline.
Post by: Patrick on March 14, 2010, 02:54:00 am
Post by: chimto on March 15, 2010, 01:24:59 am
Post by: Glitch on March 16, 2010, 12:25:37 am
Post by: icybraker on March 16, 2010, 12:33:08 am
Post by: Glitch on March 16, 2010, 12:35:21 am
Post by: CelestrialDreamer on March 16, 2010, 09:35:06 am
2 quanta for 6!damage and 6!heal (if ur opponent got no shield)
Pulvy's destroy becomes more reasonable too :P
PS: eternity also got nerfed in trainer
Post by: Robsta43 on March 18, 2010, 02:14:40 pm
Trident -> water/earth... which elements do you use the least in your rainbow if it isn't water/earth?
(mine uses 6 earth quanta pulverisor + 2 enchants and 8 water purify + nymphs tears, that latter card only added because of my lack of using water, in a deck with 19 upgraded quanta pillars and 4 supernovas, I'm rarely short on these elements)
Eternity -> in my opinion the best card in the game. It has so many different uses offensive and defensive and is greatly increased in power if you have a fallen druid/elf on the field.
Pulverisor -> is getting a nuke but is probably still going to be the 2nd best rare weapon.
Vampire dagger -> is getting stronger, it'll be as good as the druidic staff soon.
For rarity, I've won many games T50, False Gods, pvp and AI3 and this is my current rare count: (I chose a fahrenheit as my quest reward all that time ago)
2x Discord
1x arsenic
3x titan
6x pulverisor
4x druidic staff
6x fahrenheit
0x trident :'(
7x morning star
8x owl's eye
9x eternity
5x vampire stelletto
4x electrocutor
Note: for rares that I have 6 of, I may have sold off any spares I had since you can't use more then 6 in any given deck.
Note2: ever since a post in this thread I started collecting rares which I had more then 6 of again, so if I have 6 or more rares I may have sold a few of that one before that.
EDIT: updated rare count (it'd be nice for a few others to post thier rare count so we can get a better idea of rare's rareness
Post by: xdude on March 18, 2010, 02:22:19 pm
I would suggest getting a rarer rare from the quest, because some are extreamly hard to get any other way.Erm... I would've kept 12: 6 upped and 6 unupped.
Trident -> water/earth... which elements do you use the least in your rainbow if it isn't water/earth?
(mine uses 6 earth quanta pulverisor + 2 enchants and 8 water purify + nymphs tears, that latter card only added because of my lack of using water, in a deck with 19 upgraded quanta pillars and 4 supernovas, I'm rarely short on these elements)
Eternity -> in my opinion the best card in the game. It has so many different uses offensive and defensive and is greatly increased in power if you have a fallen druid/elf on the field.
Pulverisor -> is getting a nuke but is probably still going to be the 2nd best rare weapon.
Vampire dagger -> is getting stronger, it'll be as good as the druidic staff soon.
For rarity, I've won many games T50, False Gods, pvp and AI3 and this is my current rare count: (I chose a fahrenheit as my quest reward all that time ago)
2 Discord, 1 arsenic, 3 titan, 5 pulverisor, 3 druidic staff, 6 fahrenheit, 0 trident :'(, 5 morning star, 6 owl's eye, 6 eternity, 2 vampire stelletto, 2 electrocutor
Note: for rares that I have 6 of, I may have sold off any spares I had since you can't use more then 6 in any given deck.
Post by: Robsta43 on March 18, 2010, 06:43:38 pm
Post by: Scaredgirl on March 18, 2010, 07:26:58 pm
Remember to vote for the best "first weapon", not the overall best weapon.
Post by: xdude on March 18, 2010, 07:54:20 pm
even if some are upped and others non-upped you can only have a max of 6 combined in one deck. Furthermore, most of the rares don't have a tradeoff when upgraded. (for example I keep more then 6 sundials).You might want to have some weapons when you play in unupped tournies....
Post by: Robsta43 on March 18, 2010, 08:25:34 pm
You might want to have some weapons when you play in unupped tournies....Ah that's what you're getting at... it just so happens that I'm rather new to the forums and haven't payed much attention to tournies, perhaps I'll collect a few, but for now I have no shortage of unupped cards. (5 of my 6 eternities are unupped)
I added a poll to this thread so we get a more community-wide opinion on these weapons.Thanks, voted ^^
Remember to vote for the best "first weapon", not the overall best weapon.
Post by: Hobnob5000 on April 03, 2010, 06:19:41 pm
Post by: yaladilae on April 03, 2010, 08:27:18 pm
which you will need to get other rare weps
Post by: Dreadshadow on April 08, 2010, 05:05:20 am
Lobotomizer first as i support my idea of fast grinding (see Newbie tutorial how to become rich reply)
Eternity gives infinity, Owl's Eye kills creatures, Pulveriser obliterates permanents.
Most of them are included in a good Rainbow deck i guess, so it would be nce someone to get one depending on the current Element he has.
The rest, i guess, are theme deck weapons, yet very strong.
Most of all i dislike Vampire Stiletto.
Post by: ufcfan on April 08, 2010, 05:46:30 pm
Post by: tk13 on May 06, 2010, 12:17:48 pm
Post by: DrunkDestroyer on May 06, 2010, 08:46:17 pm
2x Discord
1x Arsenic
5x Titan
2x Pulveriser
2x Druidic Staff
1x Farenheit (From a FG)
3x Trident
2x Morning Star
1x Owls Eye
2x Eternity
1x Vampire Stiletto
5x Lobotomizer (1 from 500 score quest)
This should show the general gist of the weapons in T50 recently. Some of these were won off AI3 and AI5 but I cant remember them.
Post by: dragonhuman on May 06, 2010, 09:45:27 pm
Post by: Time void on May 07, 2010, 09:40:41 pm
Post by: icybraker on May 09, 2010, 01:36:09 am
Pulverizer and Eternity are the two signature False God Rainbow weapons. Lobotomizer is just a touch behind. It excels in Essence's AI5 Farmer, which can be useful, and also is key to a Fractal+Hope deck, which is a very strong contender to the False God Rainbow. Additionally, Lobotomizer is among the rarest of the rare weapons.
But the one at the top of my list would be Pulverizer.
Post by: jo_jo_the_joker on May 16, 2010, 09:36:45 pm
Post by: WakSkylicker on May 20, 2010, 09:51:39 am
Post by: Helios on May 20, 2010, 01:01:19 pm
Lobotomizer, Pulverizer, and Eternity, for the same reasons as above.Which in fact, summarises most of the reasons as to why I also most value these three in particular. I would like to add that Eternity becomes extremely useful late-game when its protection against decking out is needed.
Pulverizer and Eternity are the two signature False God Rainbow weapons. Lobotomizer is just a touch behind. It excels in Essence's AI5 Farmer, which can be useful, and also is key to a Fractal+Hope deck, which is a very strong contender to the False God Rainbow. Additionally, Lobotomizer is among the rarest of the rare weapons.
But the one at the top of my list would be Pulverizer.
Post by: teffy on May 20, 2010, 07:54:26 pm
Eternity, Lobotomizer ,Pulverizers,Titans are good choices. Owl´s Eye is cool, because you can let it fly without upgraded cards, and it does 3 damage to creatures.
Owl´s Eye is my favorite weapon for using.
Post by: sSethia on May 21, 2010, 03:16:06 am
I picked the Trident, because it was the last card I needed to get 6 of all unupped weapons.Owl's Eye is my favorite weapon too, but I wouldn't pick it as your choice for the 500 points quest. Owl's Eye is the most common rare weapon in my opinion. I have 4 of those and an Eagle's Eye, which I sold because I need the money for an upgrade. I would choose a weapon that is both rare and useful, which is probably Eternity or Pulverizer. I wouldn't go for Titan because that isn't that rare.
Eternity, Lobotomizer ,Pulverizers,Titans are good choices. Owl´s Eye is cool, because you can let it fly without upgraded cards, and it does 3 damage to creatures.
Owl´s Eye is my favorite weapon for using.
Post by: plastiqe on May 21, 2010, 07:27:06 pm
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Post by: Azumi on May 21, 2010, 08:15:53 pm
Pulv
Eternity
Lobo
I'd choose Discord but you can only pick 3 >:D
As to why.....Pulv, Eternity and Lobo are the 3 most commonly used weapons in all FG decks. So while Discord is nice it is mostly only used in PvP decks. My personal favorite is eternity since that was one of the first rares I ever won (I choose Vamp for my rare back in the day) and it has saved be many many times in a deck out war with rainbow and other gods.
Post by: hello5666 on May 24, 2010, 09:39:09 am
Post by: Ant-n-ero on May 24, 2010, 07:08:11 pm
by the looks of it 4 uber weapons:
Pulveriser
Eternity
Owl's Eye
Lobotomiser
I got an eternity from level 3 before i got to 500 poins so i picked pulveriser as that was apparetnly the best one at the time
however i don't use it that much and would rather have owl's or lobo -- but all in all - you want at least one of these 4!!!
Post by: hello5666 on May 25, 2010, 08:54:13 am
nice thread
by the looks of it 4 uber weapons:
Pulveriser
Eternity
Owl's Eye
Lobotomiser
I got an eternity from level 3 before i got to 500 poins so i picked pulveriser as that was apparetnly the best one at the time
however i don't use it that much and would rather have owl's or lobo -- but all in all - you want at least one of these 4!!!
Nice. I spun like 5 rares from level 3 and won them.
Post by: Korugar on July 02, 2010, 06:06:47 pm
2) Someone said you can't get Lobotomizer from level 3 decks. This might have changed since that post, but I have fought a deck(level 3) with it multiple times.
Post by: smuglapse on July 02, 2010, 07:05:05 pm
1) I noticed the Vampire Stilletto's flying weapon attack is different from it's normal attack. Is this a misprint or true?He forgot to update the flying weapon stats when the card was buffed. All flying weapon attacks are equal to the weapon's standard attack.
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2) Someone said you can't get Lobotomizer from level 3 decks. This might have changed since that post, but I have fought a deck(level 3) with it multiple times.There were two level 3 decks added since that was posted. One has a Lobotomizer.
Post by: Korugar on July 02, 2010, 08:03:03 pm
Post by: Celidion on July 02, 2010, 10:31:58 pm
Post by: Ant-n-ero on July 03, 2010, 08:46:19 pm
the rarest ones that I find are (in order, commonest to rarest) Morning star (I have a few)/Druid Staff(as rare as hens teeth)/Discord (annoying for the enemy and to earn >_<)/Vampire Dagger (only won 1 and it was from a FG spin so it was upgraded ;) )/Fahrenheit (only manage to get 1 freaking one)
all other are easier to come by, with the 3 I stated first I have at least 10 of each there are that many in circulations
So if I would say for one to get, Vampire Dagger and then fahrenheit
Post by: smuglapse on July 03, 2010, 09:14:37 pm
ignore everything I have said preiously, screw eternity and puly and lobo, all 3 of these are super common (shouldn't be called rare anymore) as there are at least 12 farms for each (some double up) as well as AI3/5/6I don't know if you should consider rarity based on top50 farms since those can change by who is in it and what they decide to post.
the rarest ones that I find are (in order, commonest to rarest) Morning star (I have a few)/Druid Staff(as rare as hens teeth)/Discord (annoying for the enemy and to earn >_<)/Vampire Dagger (only won 1 and it was from a FG spin so it was upgraded ;) )/Fahrenheit (only manage to get 1 freaking one)
all other are easier to come by, with the 3 I stated first I have at least 10 of each there are that many in circulations
So if I would say for one to get, Vampire Dagger and then fahrenheit
As far as the AI3 decks, here are the numbers:
| Arsenic | 1 |
| Discord | 1 |
| Druidic Staff | 3 |
| Eternity | 2 |
| Fahrenheit | 2 |
| Lobotomizer | 1 |
| Morningstar | 2 |
| Owl's Eye | 1 |
| Pulverizer | 2 |
| Titan | 1 |
| Trident | 1 |
| Vampire Stiletto | 3 |
Post by: sSethia on July 03, 2010, 11:12:25 pm
ignore everything I have said preiously, screw eternity and puly and lobo, all 3 of these are super common (shouldn't be called rare anymore) as there are at least 12 farms for each (some double up) as well as AI3/5/6I have 7 Druidic Staves and 0 Pulverizers. I also have about 5 Morning Stars and 3 Discords. I think I have 6 Vampire Daggers and 3 Fahrenheits. Either I'm missing out on some of the farms, or I just don't farm T50 much.
the rarest ones that I find are (in order, commonest to rarest) Morning star (I have a few)/Druid Staff(as rare as hens teeth)/Discord (annoying for the enemy and to earn >_<)/Vampire Dagger (only won 1 and it was from a FG spin so it was upgraded ;) )/Fahrenheit (only manage to get 1 freaking one)
all other are easier to come by, with the 3 I stated first I have at least 10 of each there are that many in circulations
So if I would say for one to get, Vampire Dagger and then fahrenheit
I agree though, that Eternity and Lobo are pretty common.
Post by: Korugar on July 04, 2010, 12:31:28 am
ignore everything I have said preiously, screw eternity and puly and lobo, all 3 of these are super common (shouldn't be called rare anymore) as there are at least 12 farms for each (some double up) as well as AI3/5/6So...my getting Vampire Stiletto before even completing the quests is unusual?
the rarest ones that I find are (in order, commonest to rarest) Morning star (I have a few)/Druid Staff(as rare as hens teeth)/Discord (annoying for the enemy and to earn >_<)/Vampire Dagger (only won 1 and it was from a FG spin so it was upgraded ;) )/Fahrenheit (only manage to get 1 freaking one)
all other are easier to come by, with the 3 I stated first I have at least 10 of each there are that many in circulations
So if I would say for one to get, Vampire Dagger and then fahrenheit
Post by: plastiqe on July 04, 2010, 09:43:28 pm
+ Cookies for you both & fixed.1) I noticed the Vampire Stilletto's flying weapon attack is different from it's normal attack. Is this a misprint or true?He forgot to update the flying weapon stats when the card was buffed. All flying weapon attacks are equal to the weapon's standard attack.
Post by: edunavas on July 16, 2010, 11:46:44 am
Most Rainbows decks have pulv or eternity or both
Owls are good creature control, also lobo
Titan and Discord good against mono decks
Farenheit very good, but only when you have a mono fire
Well, every weapon is good, it only depends what deck you are building or you are playing against.
Post by: karthikking on July 16, 2010, 10:08:18 pm
Post by: TheOwner on July 16, 2010, 10:11:45 pm
Post by: andy80528052 on July 18, 2010, 01:54:09 am
Post by: Toimu13 on July 23, 2010, 10:01:09 am
Post by: Korugar on July 23, 2010, 01:45:03 pm
Post by: TheOwner on July 23, 2010, 09:21:40 pm
Post by: Korugar on July 23, 2010, 09:46:22 pm
Post by: TheOwner on July 23, 2010, 10:07:11 pm
Post by: sSethia on July 23, 2010, 10:58:56 pm
I've never gotten a Pulverizer from a T50. I have 6+ of all other weapons though definetly get a Pulverizer.Same here. So far I've been farming and today I earned 5 Discords, 2 Tridents, but no Pulverizers.
Post by: TheOwner on July 23, 2010, 11:03:58 pm
Post by: King of doom on July 24, 2010, 12:27:37 pm
3 Morning Glories 2 Jade Staffs and 7 Vampire Stilletos 0 PULVERIZERShha I got 9 pulvies ;D
Post by: TheOwner on July 24, 2010, 12:28:22 pm
I won all that in an hour or two I get a lot of weapons except for Pulvies3 Morning Glories 2 Jade Staffs and 7 Vampire Stilletos 0 PULVERIZERShha I got 9 pulvies ;D
Post by: Chatix on July 24, 2010, 01:29:00 pm
I mean who can say no to poison every turn?
When animated, just bless it a couple of times and BAM, you have a high hitting, poising weapon ^-^
Post by: guolin on July 24, 2010, 02:33:41 pm
Arsenic,You forgot Momentum/Unstoppable.
I mean who can say no to poison every turn?
When animated, just bless it a couple of times and BAM, you have a high hitting, poising weapon ^-^
The thing I don't like about Arsenic is it lacks any control besides controlling your enemy's health. Unless you're going for a poison deck, Arsenic has limited use.
Post by: TheOwner on July 24, 2010, 06:06:27 pm
Post by: venumuse on August 01, 2010, 09:05:41 pm
Post by: sSethia on August 01, 2010, 09:36:02 pm
The thing I don't like about Arsenic is it lacks any control besides controlling your enemy's health.If you can control you enemy's health, you've basically won. Arsenic is an awesome weapon. Even when it gets exploded, it'll still remain in our hearts... and next to the opponents health bar. (unless they have purify)
Post by: guolin on August 05, 2010, 01:02:46 am
I was still sticking around with boring rainbows when I made that post. ;)The thing I don't like about Arsenic is it lacks any control besides controlling your enemy's health.If you can control you enemy's health, you've basically won. Arsenic is an awesome weapon. Even when it gets exploded, it'll still remain in our hearts... and next to the opponents health bar. (unless they have purify)
What I've found after experimenting with quite a few rushes is that Arsenic is an amazing card in pillarless rainbow rushes. For only 2 death quanta, you have something to fill your lonely weapon slot that screams "RUSH!" I rarely stack enough poison, though, before I either kill the opponent or Arsenic gets Exploded/Stolen, so Purify doesn't do too much. In Poison rushes, on the other hand...
Post by: tinkady on August 05, 2010, 06:33:28 am
Post by: guolin on August 05, 2010, 04:13:49 pm
this should be updated based on the fact that the best false god deck right now (amlir's "cc who needs it") doesnt need an eternity. and pulvys are just better in general, that should be the recommended choiceThat's more rushy in nature. Eternity is more versatile.
Post by: Ant-n-ero on August 05, 2010, 05:18:26 pm
Post by: SickPillow on August 05, 2010, 05:21:24 pm
:-X
Post by: Korugar on August 05, 2010, 05:23:37 pm
Post by: Hyroen on August 30, 2010, 07:59:24 pm
Post by: BloodlinE on August 31, 2010, 10:38:41 am
Thread should be updated to reflect Titan's HP change.why should the thread reflect Titan's HP change??the thread is all about the weapon you should choose as a reward.
Post by: Ant-n-ero on August 31, 2010, 10:09:21 pm
that's what I thought he meant first time, what he is really trying to say is, the first post says titan has 70 HP, whereas now it only has 50 HPThread should be updated to reflect Titan's HP change.why should the thread reflect Titan's HP change??the thread is all about the weapon you should choose as a reward.
that's what was being said, just to clear things up :)
Post by: BloodlinE on September 01, 2010, 08:58:51 am
ah..ok thxthat's what I thought he meant first time, what he is really trying to say is, the first post says titan has 70 HP, whereas now it only has 50 HPThread should be updated to reflect Titan's HP change.why should the thread reflect Titan's HP change??the thread is all about the weapon you should choose as a reward.
that's what was being said, just to clear things up :)
Post by: Higurashi on September 01, 2010, 09:53:24 am
Fahrenheit is useless in the fastest fire rush (destroyers), Trident is stall and not as useful as the big three anti-FG weapons, Eagle's Eye is too quanta-heavy, Titan is too slow (or out of place in a Fractal Charger deck. don't need the vulnerability to perm control), and so on. They all have their uses in specific decks though, like flying Titans anti-FG deck, so it's all about how you plan ahead. That said, you can get all of them in T50, so I'd do what I did and farm that first. I used speed poison at first, so I got Arsenic.
Post by: Hyroen on September 01, 2010, 03:22:11 pm
Post by: tyranim on September 01, 2010, 03:39:34 pm
Post by: Baily18 on September 01, 2010, 05:34:24 pm
Post by: Demagog on September 01, 2010, 06:36:30 pm
Post by: tyranim on September 01, 2010, 11:11:12 pm
^ Parasite, Auburn Nymph, Maxwell's Demon, etc :Pi meant REAL cc, not crappy situational, slow cc (i mean no offense, its just my opinion)
Post by: $$$man on September 01, 2010, 11:29:59 pm
Fire nymph. Better then Owls Eye and Eagles eye.^ Parasite, Auburn Nymph, Maxwell's Demon, etc :Pi meant REAL cc, not crappy situational, slow cc (i mean no offense, its just my opinion)
Post by: TheOwner on September 01, 2010, 11:31:37 pm
Otyugh maybe?... Oh wait I just read Devour doesn't count.... Otyugh still is one of the bestFire nymph. Better then Owls Eye and Eagles eye.^ Parasite, Auburn Nymph, Maxwell's Demon, etc :Pi meant REAL cc, not crappy situational, slow cc (i mean no offense, its just my opinion)
Post by: sSethia on September 02, 2010, 01:18:58 am
Well if the enemy monster has more than 6 hp you're screwed.Fire nymph. Better then Owls Eye and Eagles eye.^ Parasite, Auburn Nymph, Maxwell's Demon, etc :Pi meant REAL cc, not crappy situational, slow cc (i mean no offense, its just my opinion)
Post by: plastiqe on September 02, 2010, 03:22:53 am
Plastiqe, you should add that a player shouldn't choose their rare until they are ready to start FG farming. By the time they've done that much grinding, they may have already won an eternity or pulverizer, so they could choose something else. You really only need one eternity and/or pulverizer in FG decks.I'll add a note to that effect but it really depends on the player though, for example I haven't ever farmed FG's.
Post by: Demagog on September 02, 2010, 05:43:01 am
Post by: darksamurai on September 02, 2010, 02:32:59 pm
Instead of losing time deciding, the player should make a t50 farmer deck and start earning all weapons from the top50.
Though, he should get the Lobotomizer to be able to grind over 2/5 of the FGs without a single upgraded card ^-^
Post by: TheOwner on September 02, 2010, 07:45:44 pm
What are you talking about? This forum has really just become a debate on the best weapons... I like it.
Post by: DrunkDestroyer on September 03, 2010, 09:55:39 am
There is no way auburn nymph is crappy, situational or slow, unless you plan on lightning his creatures later. That plus (is it 3 or 4?) Earth pillars will take 6 enemy creatures out of the game. (no attack/skills).^ Parasite, Auburn Nymph, Maxwell's Demon, etc :Pi meant REAL cc, not crappy situational, slow cc (i mean no offense, its just my opinion)
Maxwells demon isnt situational with cards like Rage potion.
Many parasites will take something down in one or two turns. Faster than an Owls Eye.
Post by: Higurashi on September 03, 2010, 10:14:07 am
Post by: Orlk on September 16, 2010, 12:14:47 pm
Post by: runesword03 on September 16, 2010, 07:00:32 pm
but still, a very good pick will be a pulvy IMO.. :D
Post by: ddevans96 on September 16, 2010, 10:12:35 pm
This is pointless.How would this be possible? Rol/Hope requires upgrades to grind false gods, and mono-aether is way too slow.
Instead of losing time deciding, the player should make a t50 farmer deck and start earning all weapons from the top50.
Though, he should get the Lobotomizer to be able to grind over 2/5 of the FGs without a single upgraded card ^-^
Post by: Orlk on September 18, 2010, 09:34:08 am
Post by: miniwally on September 18, 2010, 10:03:40 am
Well.. I Think I Need To Go Over A Fight Of Level 3 To Get One Of Theese Rare weapons The weapon Is Important Thing In The Fight :darkness :DTop 50 is probably a better place to farm rares and if you're after a specific one request a farm in the top50 section.
Post by: Orlk on September 19, 2010, 02:37:49 pm
Post by: TheOwner on September 19, 2010, 03:17:48 pm
LoL If Iam Over A 50 Top Fighting I Will Get Beated Hardly :( And With THat Way i will spend some coins on loosing rounds.... Translation (I think) : If I am over T50 fighting, I will get beat badly. With that I will spend electrum on losing rounds.
What exactly are you trying to say?
Post by: Orlk on September 19, 2010, 03:24:53 pm
Post by: TheOwner on September 20, 2010, 07:09:40 pm
iam trieng to say that it's hard on me to beat the 50 Top fights.... That's All ?! :darknessIf your having trouble beating T50 go find a rush deck. jmdt has... a lot that all work well. As for weapons, grind T50 before choosing.
Post by: Toimu13 on September 23, 2010, 09:17:39 pm
Post by: willng3 on September 23, 2010, 11:57:22 pm
Post by: mmmmbacon7 on September 27, 2010, 06:31:00 am
Lobo would also be a good pick, though, if you're trying to build the RoL/Hope FG deck, the lobos are necessary and hard to get.
Post by: Zellu on October 04, 2010, 02:50:03 am
As nobody says it, I'll do it here:
Get the Weapon you like!!
Don't get confused by other people's opinion.
Post by: EvaRia on October 04, 2010, 03:20:38 am
Eternity, pulvy and lobo are found so much in T50 anyways that even if you don't get them from the quest, you will probably find them later.
IMO, because of this, it may be better to get weapons like discord or trident that will be much more difficult to find later.
Post by: CrazyJay94 on November 20, 2010, 04:21:14 pm
Post by: Time_lord_victorius on January 08, 2011, 02:39:16 am
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy why Trident has to low ranking i like it!!!!it is a nice weapon, but the odds of playing it effectively are low. consider this like a distant relative to its more successful cousin, pulverizer
Post by: kitty45 on January 08, 2011, 02:17:35 pm
Level 3 Weapons.well if your saying can't get lobo you are wrong I was battling level 3's one of them HAD a lobo it is possible...but very hard it was aether
Here is some info regarding weapons from Level 3.
Easiest is Owl's Eye: There are 2 of them in the same 36 card deck.
Hardest is Pulverizer: There is only one and it is in a 58 card deck.
Impossible is Lobotomizer: Not contained in any Level 3 decks.
For FG farming, I would recommend Eternity or Pulverizer. I prefer Eternity since it allows running a smaller optimized deck without the risk of carding out. It really sucks to have a game under control and then card out. Eternity can also be used to send back troublesome/buffed creatures and rescue any of your own creatures that have been debuffed (lobotomized, poisoned, frozen). Pulverizer is also very useful for FG farming, especially against the harder FGs (Rainbow, Hermes, Obliverator) but when you start out, it is best to specialize your deck to go after the easier FGs (the ones without Permanent control).
Here is a list from easiest to hardest. List also has the number of weapons along with the deck size in () parentheses
2 Owl's Eye (36) Same Deck
2 Vampire Stiletto (37) (40)
2 Morning Star (38) (40)
2 Druidic Staff (38) (58)
1 Arsenic (40)
1 Trident (40)
1 Discord (40)
1 Titan (40)
1 Eternity (44)
1 Fahrenheit (45)
1 Pulverizer (58)
0 Lobotomizer (can't get this weapon from Level 3)
Post by: Korugar on January 08, 2011, 03:42:02 pm
Post by: Acsabi44 on January 08, 2011, 04:12:45 pm
I wouldn't choose a Trident though.
Post by: Time_lord_victorius on January 10, 2011, 05:49:42 pm
if only there were a weapon that sent back to the top deck, now that'd be quite fun (and ahnoying :P)
Post by: EpicFirestorm on January 13, 2011, 04:11:00 am
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on January 13, 2011, 04:28:33 am
Post by: EpicFirestorm on January 13, 2011, 05:04:58 am
Which one should you pick? That depends on what element of your deck. Just pick one matching your element. But if you use rainbow deck, I think the best is the air weapon and the aether weapon (forgot about their name), but I suggest you to choose the air one. It's pretty strong. I always get annoyed whenever my opponent play this card because it always kills my creatures.The Aether weapon is Lobotomizer and the Air weapon is Owl's Eye.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on January 14, 2011, 06:05:45 pm
Post by: kitty45 on January 14, 2011, 08:05:59 pm
Eternity, because that is like the least common weaponit's not the least common
Post by: xynom on February 02, 2011, 01:39:45 am
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on February 02, 2011, 01:52:24 am
I really like Owls Eye and Eternity. Both are incredibly useful. As a runner up Vamp stilleto can be pretty annoying altho i dont hear much of a fuss about it.Yes. You're really right. Owl's Eye is the most difficult weapon to battle against. But I've ever gotten it 3 times and sold 2 of them. So it's not pretty rare. I think you should pick Trident instead if which you want is the rare one.
*Forgive my bad English*
Post by: eevee44 on February 03, 2011, 01:23:11 am
1. I wouldnt recommend using this guide just to pick you're weapon. I would rely on things like what is your type (say you're gravity use grav weapon etc.)
2. If you kept those other element cards or made a duo/trio deck perhaps other element weapon would be best
3. (this is a personal one) I reckon the weapons should appear different when upped like some creatures (obsidian dragon, pharoh etc.)
4. Wait a sec, i haven't got a fourth (oops ;D)
Post by: TheOnlyNewb on February 24, 2011, 04:24:25 pm
Post by: eevee44 on March 01, 2011, 07:33:34 am
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on March 01, 2011, 09:27:34 pm
Post by: Svenningen on March 15, 2011, 11:40:43 am
I strongly advice for vampire dagger or arsenic, the two most seen in t50 decks, wich is where you go to farm required ones for FG's, as most decks use more than 1 rare wep.
Post by: Jappert on March 15, 2011, 11:50:31 am
Reset plx!
Post by: plastiqe on March 15, 2011, 05:25:36 pm
The guide is long overdue for an update as well. I rewrote & reformatted the whole thing a little while ago except my internet crashed before I could submit it.
Post by: Steppen_Wolf on March 16, 2011, 02:22:14 pm
After some 90 matches (some 60 wins) I have 2 Lobotomizer, 2 Vampire Stiletto, 2 Eternity, 1 Owl's Eye and 2 Tridents.
These cards seem to be anything but rare.
Post by: tttt on March 24, 2011, 01:21:11 pm
Post by: dragonsdemesne on April 02, 2011, 11:18:58 pm
FWIW, I picked Druid Staff when I did the quest, because I was playing Monolife at the time. It did alright, but when I wanted to make scaredgirl's rainbow deck, I was decking out a lot because I couldn't farm an eternity for a long time. Plus, druid staffs are easier to farm; more AI decks use them.
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on April 02, 2011, 11:58:20 pm
Voted for Eternity and Pulverizer, since I consider those to be by far the best ones, and apparently the community agrees with me, based on the poll at this time. Pulverizer seems to be the hardest one to win for some reason, so it might be wiser to go with that, though Eternity is easier to play with, since it only needs one elements, not 2.actually, owl's eye, fahrenheit, arsenic, vamp stilleto, discord, and lobotomizer are used more in PvP
FWIW, I picked Druid Staff when I did the quest, because I was playing Monolife at the time. It did alright, but when I wanted to make scaredgirl's rainbow deck, I was decking out a lot because I couldn't farm an eternity for a long time. Plus, druid staffs are easier to farm; more AI decks use them.
but since the game is heavily focused on FGs, where eternity and pulverizer really shine, they are best for newbies
Post by: hopeatthetree on July 18, 2011, 05:24:33 pm
Post by: Hodari on July 18, 2011, 06:09:37 pm
I am building a :darkness / :death deck and was wondering which rare i should pick?If you intend for that to be your only deck for a while, obviously either vampire dagger or arsenic would be the ones to choose, though we'd need more information about the deck to say which. Most likely though, unless the rest of the deck includes other poison as well, you'd be better off with the vampire dagger.
On the other hand, pulverizer and eternity will probably be the most useful ones overall, so it may also be worth thinking ahead and not just basing it on the deck you are using now. Also consider that you will only have ONE of the weapon you chose to start with, so you can't count on drawing it early in the game. This would also suggest Eternity as it becomes more useful later in the game, either to prevent yourself from decking out or to rewind your opponent's larger creatures. Of course once you get to a point where you can win against bronze league fairly often, you'll start getting other rares fairly quickly and this becomes less of a factor, but it may be worth considering when you're just getting started.
Post by: moonlighting on August 11, 2011, 08:32:04 am
If I could choose again, I would for sure go for Pulverizer.
the reason is that, without a Pulverizer, it's almost impossible to win FG or arena who has a Pulverizer.
for eternity or other weapons, there're always weak decks with them for you to win, but for Pulverizer......
Post by: SeriousSimon on October 31, 2011, 07:22:42 pm
Post by: Captain Scibra on October 31, 2011, 07:30:42 pm
Post by: Derrick135 on November 01, 2011, 04:10:59 pm
Post by: RaevenHeartK on November 09, 2011, 02:56:03 am
Like I said, i'm a noob at this game (3 days playin), so no offense meant to the veteran players.
Post by: furballdn on November 09, 2011, 03:11:11 am
I'm sorry, I realize i'm a noob @ this game, but unless ur going to use a deck w/ at least 4 time producing cards, isn't getting Eternity kinda redundant? 6Q to equip, 4Q each use... I did some research and a lot of the really good decks don't have that much Time Q, or none at all. A few did, but not many, and what I did see were outdated.Eternity is useful in some decks because it prevents deck-out as you can continually rewind your creatures over and over.
Like I said, i'm a noob at this game (3 days playin), so no offense meant to the veteran players.
I'd say the 3 best would probably arsenic, discord, and pulvy. Arsenic is very useful in rainbows and for newer players, discord is a beast because it can screw up mono and duos, and pulvy is useful for FG killing and repeatable PC
Post by: Time_lord_victorius on November 09, 2011, 02:43:14 pm
Post by: mesaprotector on November 09, 2011, 03:15:57 pm
Post by: Brontos on November 09, 2011, 04:45:40 pm
It's not the hardest one to find, but you need 3 of them to build the cheapest and efficient RoL/Hope deck that will allow you to farm FG... and so, win a lot of electrums/rares/upped cards.
Post by: Silenia on January 04, 2012, 08:40:17 am
However, after gaining some experience, I'd surely pick Pulverizer or Lobotomizer. Of course, the choice should depend on the deck you used to use. But still - Lobo is a nice addition for RoL/Hope deck; Pulvy is useful much on Arena for me ;).
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 15, 2012, 06:24:55 am
Post by: Absol on January 15, 2012, 07:04:08 am
I don't understand the point of getting pulvy. It's good, all right, but it's not that rare. I got 2 pulvy on my first day playing Elements from AI3 (true story)
Lobo is not that rare either. And Owl's Eye is too common.
Trident is UP as of now. Titan, Fahrenheit, and Morning Star has too few use to be useful for newbs.
Vampire Stiletto and Druidic Staff are rare, but not that rare either.
If not Eternity, then Arsenic or Discord.
Post by: Contrary on January 15, 2012, 09:39:35 am
Fahrenheit is ok if you want to go for Firestall, but Fahrenheit are fairly common so it's not a big deal.
Eternity is good if you want to do some big rainbows or something, but I think those are mostly outdated. Eternity is a pretty good card on its own though and two can carry a deck. But on the other hand they aren't that uncommon from AI3
Discord is pretty good in speedbows, and are kind of uncommon.
Arsenic is great and pretty rare. Great addition to any kind of deck with death in it, Immobows included.
Vampire Stiletto is good with Crusader, in Mono Darks, and in Immobows. Kind of rare.
Lobos aren't very uncommon in AI3 and you can find lots in bronze. Good choice if you want to rush to RoL Hope.
Pulverizer is good in The Wrecking Ball and a few FG decks but I haven't had that much use for mine, aside from The Wrecking Ball (which is quite good). You can get a decent number from AI3.
So it all depends on what you want. Since I still only have one Arsenic I'd probably go back and get that rather than my Fahrenheit. My other choices would be Lobo and Stiletto.
Post by: lorddoritos on January 15, 2012, 10:33:08 am
Post by: Dragon Trainer on January 15, 2012, 08:52:18 pm
Post by: ninjaclone09 on January 15, 2012, 11:07:34 pm
Anyways, i have:
1 discord [entropy]
3 arsenic [death]
0 titans [gravity] (note: i have spun this in trainer)
1 pulverizer [earth] (note: i have never spun this before, i picked this weapon for the 500 score quest)
3 druidic staff [life]
1 fahrenheit [fire]
1 trident [water]
3 morning star [light]
1 owl's eye [air]
0 eternity [time] (note: i have spun this before on my old account)
1 vampire stiletto [darkness]
2 lobotomizer [aether]
Post by: ashashin on January 15, 2012, 11:18:51 pm
i picked eternity btw
Post by: zhangvict on February 12, 2012, 08:59:12 am
Arsenic is great and pretty rare. Great addition to any kind of deck with death in it, Immobows included.Arsenic is not rare! at lest not now. Many many poison decks that are currently in the bronze arena give you arsenic from normal spins.
Here are my rare weps , including both upped and unupped. I have never sold any rare cards except for upgraded morning glories:
3 Discord
12 Arsenic (10 unupped, 2 upped)
7 Titan (1 upped)
1 Pulverizer (from arena special spin, upped myself. I have never won this from ai3, but I hardly grinded ai3 anyway)
4 Jade/druidic staff (2 upped)
3 Fahrenheit
5 Trident
8 Morning star/glory (6 upped, all from Divine Glory/Paradox etc. I sold a lot, should have more than 6)
6 Owl's eye (1 upped from Neptune)
9 Eternity (2 upped from Lionheart)
3 Vampire Stilletto
9 Lobotomizer/Electrocutor (1 upped)
Post by: Mathematistic on February 12, 2012, 09:42:58 am
But to get started with arena grinding, an arsenic in an antabow is crucial... It deals so much more damage than the hammer.Arsenic is great and pretty rare. Great addition to any kind of deck with death in it, Immobows included.Arsenic is not rare! at lest not now. Many many poison decks that are currently in the bronze arena give you arsenic from normal spins.
Consideration list (not in order):
Arsenic: A great addition to immonova/antabows. Gives a lot of advantages in pvp/arena/AI3
Vampire stiletto: Not a top choice, but facilitates nova-less immogolems pretty well. The upgraded version, vampire dagger, is almost as good as upgraded arsenic in rainbows.
Lobotomizer: RoL hope is still a pretty good FG grinder to get started with. Also makes dimensional shield decks more potent.
Pulverizer: Probably the best rare here. It is very useful in FGbows, while remaining crucial in SNbows in late game.
Top not-to-choose list (not in order):
Morning star:. *stares at Divine Glory*
Druidic staff: It is pretty easy to get it from AI3. 2 of the elders have it.
Trident: It may look good, but it's almost useless for every aspect. An earthquake does much better.
Others:
Fahrenheit: Not that impressive. But if you're making a :fire-heavy deck for AI4 grinding, do consider a bit.
Discord: It mostly shines in arena and AI3. However, it's not very compatible with unupped farmers. This gem only shines in the veterans' pockets (who possesses a considerable amount of :electrum).
Titan: Solid, powerful, straight-forward. As a steady source of damage output it might be OK. But still, it's not very compatible, even in upped decks unless you focus around it.
Eternity: Due to the fact that SGbow is outdated, it's less useful than pulverizer now... but it's OK in a ghostmare.
Owl's eye: Great CC, but not compatible in unupped grinders (again?!). However, in fun pvp rainbows it sees some use. Although octane has lots of these, it's not as bad as morning star... after all the CC is not bad.
Post by: Olevar on February 19, 2012, 06:07:10 pm
Post by: pulli23 on February 19, 2012, 08:51:32 pm
The first 3 weapons -especially lobotomizer & stilleto- are very, very easy to get from ai3. Eternity is difficult to get, as is morning glory - especially unupped: so I'd always get those. What is a good/bad deck for FG/arena farming should be a less important choice for the starter weapon; there's a good chance this "best" changes before one can actually buy the deck if you start out.But to get started with arena grinding, an arsenic in an antabow is crucial... It deals so much more damage than the hammer.Arsenic is great and pretty rare. Great addition to any kind of deck with death in it, Immobows included.Arsenic is not rare! at lest not now. Many many poison decks that are currently in the bronze arena give you arsenic from normal spins.
Consideration list (not in order):
Arsenic: A great addition to immonova/antabows. Gives a lot of advantages in pvp/arena/AI3
Vampire stiletto: Not a top choice, but facilitates nova-less immogolems pretty well. The upgraded version, vampire dagger, is almost as good as upgraded arsenic in rainbows.
Lobotomizer: RoL hope is still a pretty good FG grinder to get started with. Also makes dimensional shield decks more potent.
Pulverizer: Probably the best rare here. It is very useful in FGbows, while remaining crucial in SNbows in late game.
Top not-to-choose list (not in order):
Morning star:. *stares at Divine Glory*
Druidic staff: It is pretty easy to get it from AI3. 2 of the elders have it.
Trident: It may look good, but it's almost useless for every aspect. An earthquake does much better.
Others:
Fahrenheit: Not that impressive. But if you're making a :fire-heavy deck for AI4 grinding, do consider a bit.
Discord: It mostly shines in arena and AI3. However, it's not very compatible with unupped farmers. This gem only shines in the veterans' pockets (who possesses a considerable amount of :electrum).
Titan: Solid, powerful, straight-forward. As a steady source of damage output it might be OK. But still, it's not very compatible, even in upped decks unless you focus around it.
Eternity: Due to the fact that SGbow is outdated, it's less useful than pulverizer now... but it's OK in a ghostmare.
Owl's eye: Great CC, but not compatible in unupped grinders (again?!). However, in fun pvp rainbows it sees some use. Although octane has lots of these, it's not as bad as morning star... after all the CC is not bad.
Post by: furballdn on February 19, 2012, 09:03:26 pm
Eternity can't be won from AI3 but that doesn't mean it's that rare. You'll get plenty of eternities and morning glories just by using oracle prediction each day.The first 3 weapons -especially lobotomizer & stilleto- are very, very easy to get from ai3. Eternity is difficult to get, as is morning glory - especially unupped: so I'd always get those. What is a good/bad deck for FG/arena farming should be a less important choice for the starter weapon; there's a good chance this "best" changes before one can actually buy the deck if you start out.But to get started with arena grinding, an arsenic in an antabow is crucial... It deals so much more damage than the hammer.Arsenic is great and pretty rare. Great addition to any kind of deck with death in it, Immobows included.Arsenic is not rare! at lest not now. Many many poison decks that are currently in the bronze arena give you arsenic from normal spins.
Consideration list (not in order):
Arsenic: A great addition to immonova/antabows. Gives a lot of advantages in pvp/arena/AI3
Vampire stiletto: Not a top choice, but facilitates nova-less immogolems pretty well. The upgraded version, vampire dagger, is almost as good as upgraded arsenic in rainbows.
Lobotomizer: RoL hope is still a pretty good FG grinder to get started with. Also makes dimensional shield decks more potent.
Pulverizer: Probably the best rare here. It is very useful in FGbows, while remaining crucial in SNbows in late game.
Top not-to-choose list (not in order):
Morning star:. *stares at Divine Glory*
Druidic staff: It is pretty easy to get it from AI3. 2 of the elders have it.
Trident: It may look good, but it's almost useless for every aspect. An earthquake does much better.
Others:
Fahrenheit: Not that impressive. But if you're making a :fire-heavy deck for AI4 grinding, do consider a bit.
Discord: It mostly shines in arena and AI3. However, it's not very compatible with unupped farmers. This gem only shines in the veterans' pockets (who possesses a considerable amount of :electrum).
Titan: Solid, powerful, straight-forward. As a steady source of damage output it might be OK. But still, it's not very compatible, even in upped decks unless you focus around it.
Eternity: Due to the fact that SGbow is outdated, it's less useful than pulverizer now... but it's OK in a ghostmare.
Owl's eye: Great CC, but not compatible in unupped grinders (again?!). However, in fun pvp rainbows it sees some use. Although octane has lots of these, it's not as bad as morning star... after all the CC is not bad.
Post by: jmababab on February 20, 2012, 08:19:20 am
Post by: jmababab on February 20, 2012, 08:21:16 am
I think it really depends on what kind of deck you want to go for. Titan, Druidic Staff, and Owl's Eye are immediately off the table because of how often AI3 drops them. Morning Star and Trident are off because they suck.discord is now common i got 3 of em already from spins
Fahrenheit is ok if you want to go for Firestall, but Fahrenheit are fairly common so it's not a big deal.
Eternity is good if you want to do some big rainbows or something, but I think those are mostly outdated. Eternity is a pretty good card on its own though and two can carry a deck. But on the other hand they aren't that uncommon from AI3
Discord is pretty good in speedbows, and are kind of uncommon.
Arsenic is great and pretty rare. Great addition to any kind of deck with death in it, Immobows included.
Vampire Stiletto is good with Crusader, in Mono Darks, and in Immobows. Kind of rare.
Lobos aren't very uncommon in AI3 and you can find lots in bronze. Good choice if you want to rush to RoL Hope.
Pulverizer is good in The Wrecking Ball and a few FG decks but I haven't had that much use for mine, aside from The Wrecking Ball (which is quite good). You can get a decent number from AI3.
So it all depends on what you want. Since I still only have one Arsenic I'd probably go back and get that rather than my Fahrenheit. My other choices would be Lobo and Stiletto.
Post by: togkiloki on March 02, 2012, 01:49:11 am
Post by: rkadezone on August 02, 2012, 02:16:48 am
Post by: willng3 on August 02, 2012, 02:52:56 am
Post by: plastiqe on August 21, 2012, 04:05:06 am
Formatting fixed and updated.
Post by: Absol on August 21, 2012, 07:02:09 am
Use this code:
Code: [Select]
[card]*insert card name here, followed by "Upgraded" if upped*[/card]Will result in something like this:
The code is:
Code: [Select]
[card]Discord[/card][card]DiscordUpgraded[/card]
Post by: furballdn on August 21, 2012, 07:07:27 am
^ Wut. Nobody uses staff for damage. You want efficiency in a mono life deck, use longsword. Most upped decks use unupped staff for combo with epi. Vampire stiletto and dagger are much more efficient at a ratio of 8 and 6. Jade staff upped has a ratio of 9/2, or 4.5.
You didn't mention trident was a rarer weapon, but now we have arena, so it isn't as hard to find.
Post by: plastiqe on September 05, 2012, 03:09:42 pm
I updated it s'more.
Post by: shank1686 on September 18, 2012, 04:57:04 pm
Post by: Zanthen on September 19, 2012, 12:49:08 am
Post by: Daggerfell on September 19, 2012, 05:39:12 pm
>:(
Post by: TribalTrouble on September 20, 2012, 08:47:38 pm
Post by: shadow303 on October 05, 2012, 08:06:55 pm
I'm still not really sure what I should chose, but at least now I have a better idea of the different options.
Post by: destruct on March 25, 2013, 02:36:43 am
Here is a list from easiest to hardest. List also has the number of weapons along with the deck size in () parentheses
2 Owl's Eye (36) Same Deck
2 Vampire Stiletto (37) (40)
2 Morning Star (38) (40)
2 Druidic Staff (38) (58)
1 Arsenic (40)
1 Trident (40)
1 Discord (40)
1 Titan (40)
1 Eternity (44)
1 Fahrenheit (45)
1 Pulverizer (58)
0 Lobotomizer (can't get this weapon from Level 3)
When I played the AI 3 Elder mono-aether it had 2 lobotomizers. Is this list still true or are different weapons impossible to get? I mean i haven't seen eternity yet in the elder decks.
Post by: bripod on March 25, 2013, 03:21:36 am
Here's a post I made a while back about cards available from AI3 as it is now.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29858.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29858.0.html)
Post by: destruct on March 25, 2013, 04:49:25 am
That list is quite outdated. Trident and Eternity are NOT available from the current AI3. All others are.
Here's a post I made a while back about cards available from AI3 as it is now.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29858.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29858.0.html)
The list was very helpful. I'm picking eternity because earth and water don't go together very well (plus i'm going to eventually make a god-killer) I looked at the other post, and I saw that some more powerful cards were in Ai2 decks, and not in Ai3 decks. I am a newbie, so should I farm AI 2 as well?
Thanks for the prompt response.
Post by: DigitalPixel on March 25, 2013, 05:51:53 am
Post by: jsrjohnny on April 14, 2013, 05:33:19 am
Post by: jh5761234 on May 13, 2013, 04:41:52 am
Post by: CuCN on May 13, 2013, 04:49:14 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 13, 2013, 05:53:58 am
Post by: Higurashi on May 13, 2013, 05:59:49 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 13, 2013, 09:10:04 am
Post by: Higurashi on May 13, 2013, 05:13:24 pm
There's no real reason to choose Trident. It's fairly useless when it comes to farming and generally weak. Advice geared towards building an early farming deck speeds up a newbie's gain of cards and electrum a lot more efficiently (Arsenic for rushes, Pulverizer for stall and controlbows, Lobotomizer for RoL/Hope and Monoaether and, to a lesser extent, Vamp Stiletto for rushes).
Post by: XladydeathX on December 24, 2013, 03:43:36 pm
I used the Fire starter deck and was able to get all the cards required for *No Land Stompy* + Arsenic after about 3 hours of AI2+3 / Bazaar buying and selling.
I tweaked the deck list around probably 40+ times trying to produce the most consistent performance for AI3 Farming and the Exported list below is my current final version.
Results Vs AI3 with this deck list: 140 wins / 17 Losses.
4vh 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 5f3 5f3 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5og 8po
I hope this helps someone, thanks again!
Post by: timetock on December 24, 2013, 04:08:17 pm
nice to see that it worked out 8)
Post by: Higurashi on December 24, 2013, 06:32:17 pm
Post by: potatoman6134 on February 11, 2014, 11:09:01 pm
Post by: periconene on March 25, 2014, 12:15:51 pm
Post by: AlexQ on July 16, 2014, 02:30:10 pm
Nice. Maybe I'll add something about which weapons are most commonly found in AI 3 (so far I found there 8 of 12).
I believe all weapons can be found in AI3 (this is just from what I can remember, I'll check it out though).
Post by: DoubleCapitals on July 16, 2014, 02:35:21 pm
Decks of all the AI3 are here, you can check out what rares they have here.
That being said, in general Bronze>AI3 for rares.
Post by: AlexQ on July 16, 2014, 03:14:57 pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/random-normal-and-elder/all-ai3-decks-(new)/
Decks of all the AI3 are here, you can check out what rares they have here.
That being said, in general Bronze>AI3 for rares.
Thank you, that's very helpful.
I sifted through it and it shows that every weapon except Trident and Eternity are used (though I have doubts this is still true).
Post by: Higurashi on July 16, 2014, 03:20:15 pm
Post by: Tantoney on July 17, 2014, 05:16:44 pm
Here's my mono Aether deck, which I heard it's recommend for beginners. Should I go for the Lobotomizer or am I better off choosing the Pulverizer, as its considered the best rare weapon here?
Post by: Zawadx on July 17, 2014, 05:27:51 pm
This guide is kinda outdated considering the present meta, and it's always best to take a weapon which benefits your deck. Lobotomizer is really helpful for Mono Aether (it can deal with annoying Momentum and Charge), and in Psiontal it can be used to lobotomize Psions against a reflective/emerald shield. It is also a key card in RoL/Hope (one of the best False God grinding decks in the 6 ups category, one which I'd recommend to any Aether aficionado. So I'd say go ahead and pick Lobotomizer ^^
Post by: Higurashi on July 17, 2014, 05:29:21 pm
In addition, you'll be winning plenty of rares as you farm, especially if against Bronze. I would, however, suggest that you cut your deck size down to 30 and add another Dim Shield to make drawing them more likely. After that I would focus on either Phase Dragons+Immortals or Psions+Fractal. Extensive testing and experience has shown those are the most efficient builds.
Post by: Tantoney on July 17, 2014, 05:44:42 pm
So now I went with you all said and chosen Lobotomizer. Now I just need to get enough money for an upgrade.
Post by: haidao0923 on July 18, 2014, 09:13:43 pm
PLASTIQE'S ADVICE ON WHICH RARE WEAPONS ARE THE BEST PICKSI think arsenic and fahenreit should be at 5star on the rating since it is awesome as damage hitter and discord is good against mono deck so I think it should be 4star(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/plastiqe/quest.jpg)
- This is the quest you get once you've finished the one for 150 points.
- Easiest way to complete it is by beating on the level 3's till you reach 500 points.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/plastiqe/weapon.jpg)
- Ok, so you've reached 500 points, now what should you pick?
- Different weapons will excel in different situations, the answer depends on what your goals are.
- What I'll do is provide a bit of insight and my ratings for each weapon, so you can make an informed decision.
- Many of the AI at levels 3 and up will have a rare weapon in their deck, so you'll have a small chance of winning one when you beat them.
- Arena offers a semi-reliable way to earn rares. When you gain enough consecutive victories (5 for Bronze, 4 for Silver, 3 for Gold, and 2 for Platinum) you will get a bonus spin. This spin will be solely composed of four different rare cards (unupped for Bronze and Silver, upped for Gold and Platinum).
- Way back in the day there was a T50 where players would sometimes put up a rare farm deck composed entirely of rares and pillars. This gave you a really good chance at winning the rares in that deck when you beat it, so it was possible to collect them all. This is how the veteran players collected all their easymode weapons and shards before Arena came along.
- If I was starting again from scratch I'd probably choose Arsenic, it's good for pvp & Arena and fits in my favourite deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12102.0.html).
- "It really depends on what sort of deck you have. If you're running mono-aether and you like it, get a Lobotomizer. A poison deck, get an Arsenic. Don't just get the overall "best" weapon; you'll win all of them eventually. Find one that fits your current deck."
~ mesaprotector- "..a player shouldn't choose their rare until they are ready to start FG farming. By the time they've done that much grinding, they may have already won an eternity or pulverizer, so they could choose something else. You really only need one eternity and/or pulverizer in FG decks."
~ Demagog
THE WEAPONS
On the left is the unupgraded version, and on the right is the upgraded version. You'll be able to upgrade cards once you've finished this quest, it'll costs 1500 electrum each. The rare you choose will be unupgraded..
- Discord randomly scrambles up to 9 of your opponents quanta from one type to another.
- It is very effective against mono & duo decks because they won't be able to use other types of quanta, but has less of an effect against a rainbow deck that can utilize all types of quanta.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 4/3, upgraded 6/3.
- My rating: ***
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- Low cost makes it easy to get out early allowing poison counters to be applied before your opponent can destroy Arsenic or start blocking it with a shield.
- The only way to remove poison counters is with the card Purify (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Purify).
- In addition to +2/+4 and Venom, a Crusader (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Crusader) targeting Arsenic with Endow gains the Poisonous passive ability.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 2/7, upgraded 4/7.
- My rating: ****
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- The high cost precludes it from being included in decks that do not focus on Gravity.
- Notable for having the highest HP in the game when combined with Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon), which can then be utilized by cards like Gravity Pull (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Gravity_Pull) and Catapult (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Catapult).
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 7/50, upgraded 8/50
- My rating: **
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- Considered one of the most powerful rare weapons in the game, even with a nerf in patch 1.21.
- Reusable permanent destruction is the bane of many decks, including some of the False Gods.
- Earth also has Enchant Artifact (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Enchant_Artifact) so you can have invincible, reusable permanent destruction.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 5/12, upgraded 5/12
- My rating: *****
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- When combined with Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon) and Adrenaline (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Adrenaline), Druidic Staff will attack and heal you four times per turn. Jade Staff gets one less attack with this combo.
- Even if your opponent is blocking the attack you still get healed, unlike the Darkness weapon.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 2/7, upgraded 4/7
- My rating: ***
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- For every five (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Misc/fire18x18.png) you have, this deals 1 extra damage so it works very well in a mono Fire deck.
- Damage is calculated at the end of your turn after your pillars/towers generate quanta.
- Chart showing the damage at different levels of Fire quanta here (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Element_damage).
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 4/5, upgraded 5/5
- My rating: ***
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- With a reusable Earthquake (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Earthquake), this doesn't fit with many decks because it requires both Water and Earth quanta.
- Pillar destruction is most effective at the start of the game, so to use this to it's maxium potential you'd need to draw it early and have the quanta to pay for it.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 4/9, upgraded 4/9
- My rating: *
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- Once you get this out your opponent can't do anything to remove it, though it is still affected by shields.
- You can get the upgraded version fairly reliably from the False God Divine Glory (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Divine_Glory).
- Because it is Immaterial, Morning Star cannot be targeted by Endow from a Crusader (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Crusader).
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 7/7, upgraded 8/4
- My rating: **
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- Even with a high Air cost, this weapon excels at creature control.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon) costs (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Misc/air18x18.png) so multiple Owl's Eye can easily be flown in an unupgraded Air deck.
- Along with the common weapon Short Bow (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Short_Bow), Owl's Eye has the Ranged passive ability that bypasses a Wings (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Wings) shield.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 5/7, upgraded 7/7
- My rating: ***
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- Can be used to prolong the game when you run out of cards by bouncing a low cost creature back into your deck every turn.
- High :time quanta cost usually restricts the usuage of this weapon to mid/late game.
- Combined with Protect Artifact (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Enchant_Artifact) was often included in the old school rainbow decks when fighting False Gods.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 4/8, upgraded 4/8
- My rating: ****
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- Buffed in patch 1.21, now an excellent cost per ability ratio.
- Each time this hits the opponent it does (4 or 6) damage and heals you for (4 or 6) HP.
- The best weapon to combo with Crusaders (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Crusader) as it imparts the vampire ability to them.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 4/4, upgraded 6/4
- My rating: ****
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- 3 Lobotomizer's are used in RoL/Hope (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14533.0.html) which is one of the best decks to begin fighting False Gods with.
- In mono Aether, even if it gets stolen it can't harm your immaterial creatures.
- Flying Weapon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Flying_Weapon): normal 5/4, upgraded 5/4
- My rating: ***
I rated the weapons from most useful to least useful. That's not to say that a one star weapon is useless, just that it's not as useful as a five star weapon. As always, your mileage may vary.