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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg298893#msg298893
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2011, 10:46:17 pm »
A creature with quanta generation [gnome rider, firefly, dragonfly (and upped versions of those), RoL, brimstone eater, but not devourer] generates quanta even if delayed. They won't if frozen.

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg298899#msg298899
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2011, 11:07:24 pm »
A creature with quanta generation [gnome rider, firefly, devourer, dragonfly (and upped versions of those), RoL, brimstone eater] generates quanta even if frozen or delayed.
Not really accurate. It's correct that frozen quanta producing creatures do not produce quanta. But, quanta producing creatures except Devourer/Pest will still produce quanta while delayed.

On a different note, I think this thread should be updated and possibly put a better way of listing those info.

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg298908#msg298908
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2011, 11:24:38 pm »
You're right, I forgot to test frozen.

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg363595#msg363595
« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2011, 04:56:30 am »
when you un burrow a creature and then replace its burrow skill in the same turn it can not use it  (the new skill, mitosis or butterfly effect) that turn

when you create a creature with mitosis it can not use its skill (unless its passive) that turn   

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg367529#msg367529
« Reply #88 on: July 17, 2011, 08:29:44 pm »
-Catapult/Trebuchet do extra damage if the creature thrown is frozen.  (not sure on the exact formula, but for example a frozen Pharaoh will deal more damage when thrown than a nonfrozen Pharaoh)
-Having Sanctuary prevents Silence from being used on you, even though silence doesn't modify quanta or hand
-Sanctuary prevents your Solar Shield and Dissipation Shield/Fields from working (the cards do actually say this if you read them very carefully, but it's not obvious at first, or at least wasn't to me)
-Marks (the cards won from tournaments) will make their own permanent piles, like pillars or pendulums.  An -unupgraded- mark card that is the same as your deck mark will increase the multiplier of your mark by one, and will be indestructible.  An -upgraded- mark card will make its own permanent pile, even if it matches your deck element mark.


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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg367611#msg367611
« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2011, 12:17:46 am »
the passive ability deadly venom (its listed as one by the official wiki) can be Lobotomized even though its passive

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg367815#msg367815
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2011, 11:13:14 am »
the passive ability deadly venom (its listed as one by the official wiki) can be Lobotomized even though its passive
source is here (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/deadly-venom/)
Why do they write that ? I see no reason why deadly venom should be counted as a passive ability.Poisonous is the passive ability of Deathstalker.
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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg368104#msg368104
« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2011, 01:06:23 am »
My 'marks' explanation might not have been very good, and since I just saw an upgraded mark (two actually!) for the first time today, here's a screenshot to help explain it:



In this game, if the AI were to play an UNupgraded mark of air, it would go into a new pile.  If the AI were to play an UPgraded mark of darkness, it would go into a new pile.  If the AI were to play an UNupgraded mark of darkness, it would stack with the 2x mark of darkness and become a 3x mark, and I would not be able to destroy it.  Any other mark would start its own pile.

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg369148#msg369148
« Reply #92 on: July 21, 2011, 06:14:52 am »
the passive ability deadly venom (its listed as one by the official wiki) can be Lobotomized even though its passive
i had said this as i was under the impression that passives like the devours ability to drain quanta couldn't be taken with lobo so i was surprised when the AI took deadly venom away from my death stalkers making them useless
 
source is here (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/deadly-venom/)
Why do they write that ? I see no reason why deadly venom should be counted as a passive ability.Poisonous is the passive ability of Deathstalker.


when you say Poisonous do you mean this ability (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/poison/)

because it says this is only the case if you pay quanta for the ability like you do for Chrysaora / Physalia (note you dont pay for arsenic poison but it still lists it as having this ability so i may be wrong about the ability) 

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg369162#msg369162
« Reply #93 on: July 21, 2011, 07:04:38 am »
the passive ability deadly venom (its listed as one by the official wiki) can be Lobotomized even though its passive
i had said this as i was under the impression that passives like the devours ability to drain quanta couldn't be taken with lobo so i was surprised when the AI took deadly venom away from my death stalkers making them useless
I think the problem is the term "passive" itself. In Elements there are 3 categories of abilities; of which I will try to describe in my own words (not official)
  • Active ability - where you need to click to activate it and affect by the summoning sickness (e.g. endow from crusader) which can be lobotomized
  • Innate ability - where the ability is automatically applied as soon as the card is played (e.g. neurotoxin from dune scorpion) which can be lobotomized too
  • Passive ability (e.g. obsession from Ghost of the Past) which can NOT be lobotomized. On the other hand, airborne is considered passive ability too but it can be removed by Web
I think the wiki was written at a point where "passive" was considered the correct term for "innate" ability.

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source is here (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/deadly-venom/)
Why do they write that ? I see no reason why deadly venom should be counted as a passive ability.Poisonous is the passive ability of Deathstalker.

when you say Poisonous do you mean this ability (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/poison/)

because it says this is only the case if you pay quanta for the ability like you do for Chrysaora / Physalia (note you dont pay for arsenic poison but it still lists it as having this ability so i may be wrong about the ability) 
This is the correct link for Poisonous "passive" ability: LINK (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/poisonous/)

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg378748#msg378748
« Reply #94 on: August 10, 2011, 09:42:21 pm »
If you make a creature with gravity pull immortal or invulnerable, it still takes damage when it absorbs attacks.

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Re: What the cards don't tell you... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4461.msg379617#msg379617
« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2011, 10:40:19 pm »
healing a voodoo doll doesn't heal the opponent.

reverse time counters animate weapon.

vampire stiletto has the best quanta/damage+heal ratio.

Retrovirus's Plague ability destroys Cloak effect as the spell does.

Lycanthrope and Gargoyle's ability can be used only once(not specified on the cards)

Steal :Steal a Non-mark and Not-protected permanent(creatures aren't permanent)

Nightmare: if the target is a flying weapon the opponent will get the copies of the non-flying weapon.
If the target is a chimera the opponent will get copies of the 'spell' chimera

Tunderstorm removes Cloak


 

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