Post by: BluePriest on February 03, 2011, 05:05:47 am
THIS DECK NOW NEEDS FAHRENHEIT (not in image)!!
The Farhenheit will do 19 dmg (4+15 from the 75+ quanta you should have)
It may be smart to add 1 more nova, and 1 protect/enchant artifact so that you can quint it.
Suggestions:
Rage Potion
Fahrenheit
Explosions
Im currently running this with +3 Fahrenheits so I can get one out faster.
At 75 :fire you will do 132 dmg. Your Weapon will deal 19 dmg. This means you will need to have a fully powered Fahrenheit out for 4 (worst case scenario 5 if the shield blocks 3 dmg) turns before you can kill them when they have no healing.
Post by: wavedash on February 03, 2011, 05:09:22 am
Post by: BluePriest on February 03, 2011, 05:29:12 am
Post by: Toimu13 on February 03, 2011, 05:56:39 am
http://www.4shared.com/dir/NaD10nDC/sharing.html
I've looked into a non-upped Fire Stall and never thought about :fire / :entropy! I don't have a use for grinding HBs, but I would say this is a nice non-upped Fire Stall for PvP. I'm going to start playing around with this for PvP:
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Post by: xynom on February 03, 2011, 07:08:00 am
Post by: BluePriest on February 03, 2011, 01:06:31 pm
Here is a 2003 Excel file to help with that calculation:I think this is the ONLY :fire :entropy bolt deck I have ever seen. I was surprised at how well it actually works. On the flip side, I wanted this deck to be as newb friendly as possible. Thats why there are no Fahrenheits. Most Newbs wont have more than 1, if they even have that. This is meant for getting the newbs to start grinding HB's asap since I see so little love to them. The Calculations arent even necessary. I think thats my favorite part of this deck. just know that once you get to 113 :fire, use all 6 bolts and you win. Its not any more complicated than that
http://www.4shared.com/dir/NaD10nDC/sharing.html
I've looked into a non-upped Fire Stall and never thought about :fire / :entropy! I don't have a use for grinding HBs, but I would say this is a nice non-upped Fire Stall for PvP. I'm going to start playing around with this for PvP:Code: [Select]4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi
Post by: jumpoffduck on February 03, 2011, 11:53:37 pm
[shameless plug]http://jumpoffduck.co.cc/elements/bolt.htm (http://jumpoffduck.co.cc/elements/bolt.htm)[/shamelessplug]
Post by: ddevans96 on February 04, 2011, 01:32:58 am
Maybe I just got bad matchups, or I just suck with the deck, but I'm not having much luck with this at all, and I doubt the noobs who this is meant for could play it better than I can. If you could provide stats for this to prove me wrong, it would be great.
Post by: BluePriest on February 04, 2011, 02:35:55 am
Post by: BluePriest on February 04, 2011, 02:41:20 pm
-4 amythest
-4 burning
+8 Fire Pends
Equals 4 and 4 for each, but allows you to get the entropy sooner.
Post by: YawnChainHow on February 05, 2011, 10:02:34 pm
I'm also considering adding a Luciferine as card 31, though I have Fahrenheit in that place right now. Usually, the only thing keeping me from EMing is a weapon, and those rarely hit for more than 10 damage. It would really depend on how much a seventh card sitting in your hand would hurt, but it might be worth a try.
Post by: ddevans96 on February 05, 2011, 11:24:50 pm
Post by: BluePriest on February 05, 2011, 11:33:26 pm
Having much better success with the pendulum variant, but with entropy pends instead of fire pends. Can't believe I didn't tests it like that before, it's how I do the quanta for many of my own decks.So you are using fire mark mark Im assuming? Ill be trying out a ton of varients lol. I need to get less busy so I can test all of this.
Post by: ddevans96 on February 05, 2011, 11:38:39 pm
Yeah fire mark. I find it best because I usually get quanta of both types on the first turn and still have the quanta production balanced.Having much better success with the pendulum variant, but with entropy pends instead of fire pends. Can't believe I didn't tests it like that before, it's how I do the quanta for many of my own decks.So you are using fire mark mark Im assuming? Ill be trying out a ton of varients lol. I need to get less busy so I can test all of this.
Also gets EMs quite a bit, which is great. I'm convinced I just had horrible luck yesterday :)
Post by: Yardof on February 07, 2011, 02:11:36 am
I had a rough time with Half Bloods and and getting the quanta before decking out so I modified the deck a little:
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f5 5f6 5f6 7dlStill had a rough time but decided I needed to work out some numbers.
With the above version I played 50 games against Half Bloods and 50 against the T50.
My results:
HB games played: 50
Half Blood wins: 19
Amount of EMs: 5
Unupped cards won: 2(both rare)
Upped cards won: 3
T50 games played: 50
Top 50 wins: 29
Amount of EMs: 16
Unupped cards won: 6(3 relics)
Rare cards won: 13
The problems I encountered were:
Life and Light spell reflecting shields.
Discord/Pulverizer/Trident weapons - Either losing quanta, pillars, or my shield.
Explosions/Steals - Taking away my shield, lead to high amounts of incoming damage.
Mindgates/Catapults - Mindgates beat me at my own game, bolting me or reversing antimatters, catapults removed antimattered cards before I could really heal up.
Forest Spirits/Lava Destroyers/Steam Machines - Its hard to effectively use antimatters on them and tough to kill.
And then a couple times against Half Bloods I was just out rushed by a Life deck. About 3 turns in and the AI had a mix of 6 or 7 frogs and cockatrice.
A bunch of my losses to half bloods were long games where I had tons of fire quanta saved up, around 150-160, both only 3 or 4 bolts and couldnt finish the AI off, if I had a Fahrenheit I'm sure I would have won those.
The spell reflect shields came up pretty often as well, but twice the AI changed them out! That was so great, most times it didn't though.
I'd like to find a way to add in an Enchant Artifact, to keep my Fire Shield alive, and a Reflective Shield to drop in last second and get around the reflect of the AI, but I guess that means adding a Nova and either upping the Nova or the Enchant. But I don't know what to switch those with, and I don't think I want to go too far over 30 cards.
I'm kinda stumped, but I feel that if I can keep the shield from being removed I could do a lot better, or if I ever get a Fahrenheit, protect that too, or instead.
Post by: BluePriest on February 07, 2011, 03:35:14 am
Post by: Yardof on February 07, 2011, 04:26:57 am
he Bolts are for direct attacks only. DON NOT attack the creatures with this unless its desperate and you are doing REALYL good on :fire Only use a maximum of 1 otherwise your success will be very small.I have been saving them and following that rule. But I either cant get enough time to build fire quanta, get stuck against a spell reflect shield, or get killed before enough firebolts come out.
Post by: Assassine on February 07, 2011, 05:39:36 pm
just didnt win a single card yet :(
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 07, 2011, 08:45:06 pm
Post by: BluePriest on February 08, 2011, 01:09:16 am
If you wanted to add rares the first thing that should pop up is a fahreneheit
Yes definitely. That will increase the success dramatically. ps, your sig flatters me
Post by: sgegmund on February 08, 2011, 07:09:19 am
I'm a newbie, and this deck is the most friendly that I found looking around the forum.
I added 2 Farenheits (my first rares ;D) and 2 deflagration (to get rid of catapults and nasty weapons). The Farenheits are great, because you can start using fire bolts on critters in desperate situations.
Also, I'm using the Fire Pendulum version, but I'm still trying to balance the different elements because you often tend to have too much entropy toward the end game.
I have a great record with the deck, played a lot and won a couple of upgraded. The hardest seems to be the green rush when you have an unlucky draw (no anti-matter).
As I'm still new to the game, what cards in this deck would you upgrade to continue using it ? If a veteran could give quick directions with a suggested upgrade path, that would be great.
Anyway, excellent deck, thank you .
Edit : Here's a recent reward
(http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd137558/reward1_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd137558/reward1) and another one : (http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd137706/reward2_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd137706/reward2)
Edit2 : Here's the actual deck, winning a lot of games, a lot of times master of the elements. The few losses are often due to a bad start or creatures overrun with no fire shield.
(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4sj&deck=z64vnz45f0z65f4z25f5z35f6z25f7z95giz25gi6rn)
Edit3 : I've been playing a lot these last days. The main problems are as listed :
- Combination of bad draw and fast AI start making it impossible to recover. Often true with red creatures, like 12/3 and 15/3 dragons out in first/second turn.
- Discord. A first turn AI Discord combined with early creatures, not able to pull anything because of elements problems.
- Untargettable creatures such as elite phase dragons with nothing else out (happened only once or twice)
- Green deck healing the damage of the farenheit and having the jade shield out till the end
- Early land destruction. Earthquakes, Quicksilvers and Trident with no deflag
- Catapults ! :)
Post by: Yardof on February 08, 2011, 07:41:00 am
Post by: Assassine on February 10, 2011, 05:54:38 pm
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Post by: Yardof on February 11, 2011, 12:51:28 am
Pillars and Pends could be another good place to start, giving you a little boost in quanta right off the bat.
Post by: BluePriest on February 11, 2011, 04:14:12 pm
Post by: Yardof on February 13, 2011, 04:14:46 pm
Post by: BluePriest on February 13, 2011, 07:49:14 pm
Blue, what do you do when you come up against steam machines or forest spirits?In those situations, I wait til they have enough dmg to be a real threat. Most of the time the decks arent the proper duo so they only have the quanta from the quantum towers to fuel the abilities.
If I already have antimattered creatures, then i completely ignore them unless they do more damage than what I am able to heal. Once they do more damage than that, I antimatter them.
Post by: Yardof on February 14, 2011, 01:37:32 am
Post by: BluePriest on February 14, 2011, 02:18:20 am
For off decks that rely on quantum towers, then watch how much quanta the have to power the growth. Try and wait til they run dry on the :water if possible, however, if not then once again, wait as long as you acn before anti-mattering
Post by: Yardof on February 14, 2011, 06:26:47 am
Just a pain, like when my fire shields don't pop up until the turn AFTER the the lava destroyers are played. lol
Post by: vohawk on February 16, 2011, 05:54:10 am
i honestly don't know if i'm just really unlucky with gaining enough quanta for anti-matter but my goodness, what the fuck could i be doing wrong.
but imo, this deck is not newby friendly
Post by: BluePriest on February 16, 2011, 01:23:41 pm
This is actually one of the most frustrating decks i've played, and i've tried all the variations for quanta gaining, and still this deck has yielded me i'd say 3 wins out of 25 HB's played. and yes i know how to play the game and whatnot, and know the strategy behind playing this deck.Its probably just bad luck. Go back further into the topic and you will see...
i honestly don't know if i'm just really unlucky with gaining enough quanta for anti-matter but my goodness, what the fuck could i be doing wrong.
but imo, this deck is not newby friendly
Maybe I just fail, but I lost the first ten games I tried with this. Either I drew all my amethyst pillars early and he played more damage than I could reverse with antimatter before I could kill him with firebolt, or I drew all my fire pillars early and couldn't pay for an antimatter at all to stall long enough until I did get the quanta.
Maybe I just got bad matchups, or I just suck with the deck, but I'm not having much luck with this at all, and I doubt the noobs who this is meant for could play it better than I can. If you could provide stats for this to prove me wrong, it would be great.
Having much better success with the pendulum variant, but with entropy pends instead of fire pends. Can't believe I didn't tests it like that before, it's how I do the quanta for many of my own decks.im very confident that it will even itself out over time. What decks are you having the most trouble with?
Post by: vohawk on February 17, 2011, 03:45:46 am
i'm having problems with both variations of pendulums, should i try hybrid pillars instead of pendulums or is that a bad idea? other than that, i don't see what could be going on other than really bad draws / HB matchups : /
could i be overlooking the use of fire shield? i took those out and replaced them with deflagrations for pesty permas
Post by: BluePriest on February 17, 2011, 03:54:49 am
Post by: Yardof on February 19, 2011, 09:16:10 am
Post by: sgegmund on February 19, 2011, 12:37:50 pm
(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4sj&deck=z64vnz75f0z55f4z35f5z25f65f7z75giz56rn7dk7dnz27f2)
I honestly win more than 90% of my games, and most of them as Elemental Master. I will add a supernova with an enchant artifact, a reflective shield and maybe a purify. I sometimes had trouble before I added the 5 shards. Fire shield is often very important, as you want to get rid of excess creatures while healing some damage with shards and antimatter. The farenheits also give a bit more felxibility as you don't rely completely on the bolts to finish off your opponent, and you can then use the bolts on critters in dire situations.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 21, 2011, 04:29:53 am
-Defrags- for Catapults and weapons
-Fahrenheit- Much more damage than from the fire bolts
-Rage Potion- CC and increases their attack for you to antimatter
Post by: BinaryPie on March 03, 2011, 03:09:48 pm
Post by: primarycolors on March 04, 2011, 05:14:38 am
Any problems with getting to 113 before decking out?
Post by: BluePriest on March 04, 2011, 05:57:09 am
Yes, adding Fahrenheits and SoGs would improve the win rate, but BP's original idea was designing a deck for newbies. Most people have one or two rares after finishing the weapon quest, and most likely won't have shards.Very rarely. i believe onl 1 time did I not have the quanta. The rest of the time I died was because of getting to 0 health
Any problems with getting to 113 before decking out?
Post by: Bhlewos on March 12, 2011, 05:15:31 am
Masonos (Gravity/Time)
W: 1
L: 0
Chral (Time/Life)
W: 0
L: 1 (Reflective Shield)
Disonos (Entropy/Time)
W: 0
L: 1
Shadcord (Darkness/Entropy)
W: 1 (Lucky enough to have two vampire enemies, which when antimattered hurt Shadcord early on)
L: 0
Vitsa (Life/Gravity)
W: 0
L: 1 (Reflective Shield)
Chrofuze (Time/Fire)
W: 0
L: 1
Moreric (Death/Aether)
W: 0
L: 1 (Also had Fire Bolt; actually pretty close, except I was close to decking out with 5 cards left and had to use my 4 Fire Bolts at 133 quanta. If not for that last FB I would probably have lasted long enough to draw the last Bolt needed)
Overall 2|5 win ratio so far, I may keep testing and tracking statistics. Thanks for making this BluePriest.
Post by: Astrocyte on March 20, 2011, 08:03:45 pm
BIG thank you to BluePriest for making this deck.
Post by: griffin8r on April 06, 2011, 06:18:03 pm
Post by: Fluff on April 06, 2011, 10:12:07 pm
Without fahrenheits you are left with only one option of winning and that is reaching the required number of quanta for 5/6 bolts.
This however is not as easy as it seems since the unupgraded deck cant handle either quanta-drain or pillardestruction. Any occurence of either of those will leave you gasping for time to reach the desired number of quanta.
Your protection in the form of antimatter is also rendered useless in any case of morphs, swarms or even eternity. They are also quite expensive and are only really viable a couple of turns in (and then at best only every otherturn ) which will basically leave you wide open w/o upgraded pendulms - and as others pointed out in this thread - if you have upgrades you might aswell go for a better deck.
So.. if you dont have either 2 fahrenheits or some upgraded cards lying around you are probably better off starting elsewhere.
Post by: BluePriest on April 06, 2011, 11:26:22 pm
I would like to add though that players lacking farenheit should probably look elsewhere for a farmdeck since this one is just plain terrible without them. I would argue that this is a deck that needs several fahrenheits or upgraded cards to work since it is just to slow and vulnerable to get a reliable win % without them.Not for unupgraded. This deck has gone through a lot of testing as is at about a 50%+ win rate for ai5. Although that doesnt seem much, against ai5s it is quite good for no rares, no upgrades. Getting the quanta has never been a problem for me. only once lost due to deckout. Almost always lose due to reaching 0 hp. Perhaps I could help you with the strategy? Of course this deck has its weaknesses, however, it works quite well.
Without fahrenheits you are left with only one option of winning and that is reaching the required number of quanta for 5/6 bolts.
This however is not as easy as it seems since the unupgraded deck cant handle either quanta-drain or pillardestruction. Any occurence of either of those will leave you gasping for time to reach the desired number of quanta.
Your protection in the form of antimatter is also rendered useless in any case of morphs, swarms or even eternity. They are also quite expensive and are only really viable a couple of turns in (and then at best only every otherturn ) which will basically leave you wide open w/o upgraded pendulms - and as others pointed out in this thread - if you have upgrades you might aswell go for a better deck.
So.. if you dont have either 2 fahrenheits or some upgraded cards lying around you are probably better off starting elsewhere.
also, soon I will work on optimizing it to go along even better with v 1.27.
Post by: Megaant on April 10, 2011, 08:00:02 am
Although it is slightly unlikely for this deck to get to 179, I felt it was possible in some circumstances.
Post by: TennesseeAborigine on April 15, 2011, 02:08:51 pm
Mark of Entropy: 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f5 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 6rn 6rn 6rn 8pj
Edit: Ok I was on a huge winning streak and probability is paying me back now... still, this is an excellent deck for beating half-bloods. It's the most fun to play of all decks I've built (yeah, I'm a noob, but a dedicated noob). It takes strategy as well as luck. How you decide to play your cards seems to decide the game more often than not. Thanks to BluePriest for the deck seed.
Post by: Astrocyte on April 15, 2011, 11:36:22 pm
Just to give the stats for four Fire Bolts to be used, it will take exactly 179 fire quantum.I've done it a few times, when the pillars were all at the top of the deck and the bolts were mostly toward the bottom, or when I spent a bolt on CC to stay alive.
Although it is slightly unlikely for this deck to get to 179, I felt it was possible in some circumstances.
Post by: wildgoldenpk on April 29, 2011, 12:50:27 am
Post by: BluePriest on April 30, 2011, 03:55:42 am
Post by: BluePriest on May 03, 2011, 12:43:39 am
Post by: Onizuka on May 03, 2011, 01:16:41 am
It lets you get extra entropy.
Post by: wildgoldenpk on May 03, 2011, 07:17:29 am
Post by: BluePriest on May 03, 2011, 01:08:55 pm
Light pend>Novabut the problem with it is that if it is on the bottom of your deck you dont get the quanta and deck out.
It lets you get extra entropy.
is there an upped version?There are plenty of upped firestall decks out there.
Here is one of the more popular ones though http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6758.0.html
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 03, 2011, 08:12:00 pm
is there an upped version?Also, don't mean to hijack this thread, look in my sig it's #3
Post by: vitrioff on May 09, 2011, 12:00:15 pm
Like somebody said before - Tsunami, Pulverizer, Earthquake (or butterfly effect on antimattered creature) - to deal with this problem i'll add upped enchant weapon (of course with nova present) to use on burning pilars. OR you could add max. 2 deflagration.
Cloak - not to nice if AI tries to rush you. Again deflagration would be nice addition.
Arsenic - this is nasty. Luckli AI5 tends to replace Arsenic with another weapon.
Reflective shield / Emerald shield - here Fahrenheit is only solution working (without destroying the clue of the deck)
That's for now. I'll try to test a bit more. Still, great idea of decent, reliable deck ;].
Post by: BluePriest on May 09, 2011, 01:26:26 pm
Ok, I've been testing a basic version of this deck, and i must say i'm impressed win rate against AI5. I'll cut the compliments, but write what bothers me most:Unfortunately, every deck has its weaknesses. Those are this ones. Except for the final one.... Reflective shield/ emerald Shield shouldnt be a problem with the build posted... I have a reflective shield added in there for that very reason.
Like somebody said before - Tsunami, Pulverizer, Earthquake (or butterfly effect on antimattered creature) - to deal with this problem i'll add upped enchant weapon (of course with nova present) to use on burning pilars. OR you could add max. 2 deflagration.
Cloak - not to nice if AI tries to rush you. Again deflagration would be nice addition.
Arsenic - this is nasty. Luckli AI5 tends to replace Arsenic with another weapon.
Reflective shield / Emerald shield - here Fahrenheit is only solution working (without destroying the clue of the deck)
That's for now. I'll try to test a bit more. Still, great idea of decent, reliable deck ;].
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 09, 2011, 07:38:33 pm
Ok, I've been testing a basic version of this deck, and i must say i'm impressed win rate against AI5. I'll cut the compliments, but write what bothers me most:As I said, Explosions and Rage Potions could be added into the deck, as well as Rain Of Fire for Fractals and Cloaks.
Like somebody said before - Tsunami, Pulverizer, Earthquake (or butterfly effect on antimattered creature) - to deal with this problem i'll add upped enchant weapon (of course with nova present) to use on burning pilars. OR you could add max. 2 deflagration.
Cloak - not to nice if AI tries to rush you. Again deflagration would be nice addition.
Arsenic - this is nasty. Luckli AI5 tends to replace Arsenic with another weapon.
Reflective shield / Emerald shield - here Fahrenheit is only solution working (without destroying the clue of the deck)
That's for now. I'll try to test a bit more. Still, great idea of decent, reliable deck ;].
Post by: Minkune on May 23, 2011, 10:55:03 pm
Post by: l1ttl3redd3v1l on May 26, 2011, 10:45:30 pm
Post by: Iyashii on May 29, 2011, 05:32:42 am
It has helped me out immensely.
The win ration to cost is simply amazing, though I have had ABSOLUTELY NO LUCK TODAY on winning against any HBs.
Yesterday was quite the opposite, barely loosing.
Haven't a clue why today is so off, but what can ya do.
Post by: howar31 on June 01, 2011, 08:41:39 am
Easy to build and easy to manipulate.
Amazing :P
Post by: ConaSan on June 07, 2011, 02:30:55 pm
Post by: YawnChainHow on June 07, 2011, 07:46:48 pm
+2 Pandemonium may be good, because you'll have no creatures on your side so the effect wont hurt you.Pandemonium means you risk killing off your only source of healing, so it's two wasted card slots. If you really want more mass CC, pack more Fire Shields so you can play them earlier.
The balance of cards in this deck is already great, so I wouldn't tamper with it if I were you.
Post by: fralarz on June 10, 2011, 06:43:23 pm
Post by: ilovepieman on July 25, 2011, 01:32:45 am
Post by: SevenOfAKind on August 28, 2011, 05:44:33 pm
111 quanta for 6 lances,
132 quanta for 5 lances,
163 quanta for 4 lances,
221 quanta for 3 lances,
331 quanta for 2 lances,
661 quanta for 1 lance.
Now these are upped so you probably have to add up to 2*No. of lances to factor in the increased casting cost.
Just thought this might help.
Post by: Rember on August 28, 2011, 10:04:22 pm
Having recently been testing an upped fire stall I calculated that for fire lances you need:Your first 2 numbers are off by 1 quanta... didn't check the rest.
111 quanta for 6 lances,
132 quanta for 5 lances,
163 quanta for 4 lances,
221 quanta for 3 lances,
331 quanta for 2 lances,
661 quanta for 1 lance.
Now these are upped so you probably have to add up to 2*No. of lances to factor in the increased casting cost.
Just thought this might help.
Post by: ConaSan on October 09, 2011, 01:16:54 pm
Post by: Rember on October 09, 2011, 01:41:06 pm
Post by: Pineapple on October 09, 2011, 01:42:46 pm
I absolutely LOVE this deck!! The only problem= its changed so you can only have 75 :fire.... so its became much much much harder to kill enemies. Is there any way to improve this? The deck isn't that strong when you can only get 75 :fire. Please reply to this.Add maybe two phoenixes, so by the time you have 0 cards left, you'll always be able to bolt them to death.
Post by: BluePriest on October 09, 2011, 08:39:57 pm
I absolutely LOVE this deck!! The only problem= its changed so you can only have 75 :fire.... so its became much much much harder to kill enemies. Is there any way to improve this? The deck isn't that strong when you can only get 75 :fire. Please reply to this.You have 2 different options. Adding a couple Phoenixes, or a couple Fahrenheits. The only prolem with the latter is that it adds rares into the picture. Phoenixes would probably be the most stable.
Post by: UserClone on November 07, 2011, 01:35:56 am
Post by: Baily18 on November 07, 2011, 01:41:51 am
Post by: MasterNighthawk on November 16, 2011, 12:19:29 am
lucky me... got 4 fahrenheit lying around from lvl3 farming....
since the original no longer works, here an update:
this deck kinda works... hat quite some EMs. but i didn't do ANY sort of statistic on how it performs. frankly i ran only in few HBs i have real trouble in defeating. those with permanent-destruction of course^^
i have no better option that going lvl4 with what i have right now. so i won't be doing statistics in quite some time.
until now the deck at least managed to pay for itself only running lvl 4. so no annoying backsteps to lvl3....
optimization suggestions are of course welcome...
Post by: omegareaper7 on November 16, 2011, 02:05:38 am
i was one of the unfortunate noobs, which build the original and then found out that it doesn't work any longer...Just an FYI, ai3 frequently will give more electrum per hour then ai4.
lucky me... got 4 fahrenheit lying around from lvl3 farming....
since the original no longer works, here an update:
this deck kinda works... hat quite some EMs. but i didn't do ANY sort of statistic on how it performs. frankly i ran only in few HBs i have real trouble in defeating. those with permanent-destruction of course^^
i have no better option that going lvl4 with what i have right now. so i won't be doing statistics in quite some time.
until now the deck at least managed to pay for itself only running lvl 4. so no annoying backsteps to lvl3....
optimization suggestions are of course welcome...
Post by: ninetyfools on November 16, 2011, 02:55:20 am
Post by: furballdn on November 16, 2011, 03:47:12 am
Agreed but HBs are fun to grind and give u an upped card sometimes!Biggest reason why people still fight HBs. Where else can you win an upped card so easily when you're a newbie? Zanz really needs to make HBs more appealing to fight though, as most people prefer silver/gold to HBs.
Post by: RaevenHeartK on November 21, 2011, 03:34:08 am
Other than my few lucky drops, i'm mainly failing at this game. Is there anything that can be done other than trying to find a cheap deck and grinding for months on end?? (or starting over)...
I've been playing for just over a week and getting frustrated when I come up on AI3 decks that give me 3 or 4 times playing against the same deck, and usually it's one that pwns me...
Post by: Phaser on November 23, 2011, 03:07:15 am
Post by: Acacia Avenue on December 03, 2011, 11:38:47 am
Agreed. No sense in fighting HBs, since their difficulty is a lot greater than AI3 and only a little lower then FGs, and also the arena is there. HBs should become easier (a x2 mark and 150hp would be good), so they truly can be the next step after AI3.Agreed but HBs are fun to grind and give u an upped card sometimes!Biggest reason why people still fight HBs. Where else can you win an upped card so easily when you're a newbie? Zanz really needs to make HBs more appealing to fight though, as most people prefer silver/gold to HBs.
Post by: omegareaper7 on December 03, 2011, 04:19:34 pm
Half bloods are fine as is. There randomness already makes them rather easy more often then not, and they are the funnest ai to play.Agreed. No sense in fighting HBs, since their difficulty is a lot greater than AI3 and only a little lower then FGs, and also the arena is there. HBs should become easier (a x2 mark and 150hp would be good), so they truly can be the next step after AI3.Agreed but HBs are fun to grind and give u an upped card sometimes!Biggest reason why people still fight HBs. Where else can you win an upped card so easily when you're a newbie? Zanz really needs to make HBs more appealing to fight though, as most people prefer silver/gold to HBs.
Post by: teemobro on February 19, 2012, 12:02:56 pm
I don't have much experience with or knowledge about Half-Bloods, but how often do you run into reflecting shields?sorry dude using you to get to top of list, sorry
but anyways they must have patched the game because the most you can get for any quantum is 75 it stops when you hit that so you can never actually win with this build against a half blood, anything below that you can easily win and its quite fun too
Post by: furballdn on February 19, 2012, 07:22:08 pm
Ugh...yeah. It's been mentioned the quanta cap makes OTKs with just bolts impossible now. Patch 1.29I don't have much experience with or knowledge about Half-Bloods, but how often do you run into reflecting shields?sorry dude using you to get to top of list, sorry
but anyways they must have patched the game because the most you can get for any quantum is 75 it stops when you hit that so you can never actually win with this build against a half blood, anything below that you can easily win and its quite fun too
To bypass reflective shields, you could always pack in +1 nova, +1 reflective shield, and maybe even a sundial to make use of :light if your opponent doesn't have reflective shields and draw quicker. As for how often you run into reflective shields? Probably not that much. Only 2 shields in the game reflect.
Post by: BluePriest on February 19, 2012, 11:23:30 pm
It has some flaws, and is not nearly optimal anymore, but yeah. Just a temporary quick fix that still tries to keep the original idea as much as possible.
Post by: furballdn on February 20, 2012, 02:01:48 am
Post by: BluePriest on February 21, 2012, 12:18:09 am
1 fahrenheit probably won't be enough. You definitely want more.
tries to keep the original idea as much as possible.This is the key point. This is meant to be a NEWBY half grinder. Not a veteran one. This isnt meant to be the BEST unupped HB grinder, its meant to be the easiest starting point. If you read the whole post, I outright say that I run this deck with more than 1. The original idea was to have NO RARES, but this deck ow needs at least 1.