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Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1118934#msg1118934
« on: January 03, 2014, 03:27:05 am »
*In dragtoms youtube voice* Why ello' ever-eh' buddy! Hope you get inspired by this deck! Hammer is that one card in a lava golem rush that is just THERE. so lets build a lava golem rush centered around the dang card!

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This can be thought of as the skeliton of the deck, fortunately its 30 cards so you can just play that raw version.

You can always change either 1 immo 1 golem 1 gemfinder if you want to change 3 cards, if you want to change two you can do just gemfinder and immo if you want to change 1 you can change a graboid. This was why I had designed the deck that way. I think if i wanted to change 4 you could -1 life tower with the 3 card change, my fav card is bravery so behold the BrandenC6 eddition! :D

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Found fire mark and traded hammers for long swords very ineffective compared to that right there. Can change a bravery from this to explosion.

Spoiler for Card by card on raw version:
Earth mark: Helps produce quantum for lava golem, graboid and gives hammer a boost.

Hammer: Because of earth mark they get +1 damage for +1 random quanta. And the deck overproduces quanta, could only be a problem very early game. And to be target for epi, using adrenalin calculator I found out flying epi hammer> flying epi gavel

Gnome gemfinder: Fodder for cremations. They chosen fodder if they show up and act as damage for a turn or many cause of not drawing a cremate.

Elite graboid: Low cost and big powerhouse, great burst damage and cant be targetted when entering the field allows it to be evolved and played strategically.

Emerald tower: With no life creature being used as fodder like gemfinder epi can get expensive, used to help out a bit. (No such fodder even exists in fact.)

Epi: Gives 3 extra attacks (12 damage production) when on a flying hammer.

Cremate: Instant fire quanta to get out golems, also helps power graboid and an easy first turn hammer, allows for first turn epi flying hammer.

Lava destroyer: High medium range burst damage for low cost and easy to get out. 1 Cremate = 1 destroyer+2 quanta. 3 cremates = 4 destroyers.

Animate: To make hammer targettable for the damage boosting by epinephrine.

Spoiler for Card by card for BrandenC6's version:
Earth mark: Helps produce quantum for lava golem, graboid and gives hammer a boost. Fire mark was tested by me to be not as effective. :(

Hammer: Because of earth mark they get +1 damage for +1 random quanta. And the deck overproduces quanta, could only be a problem very early game. And to be target for epi, using adrenalin calculator I found out flying epi hammer> flying epi gavel

Gnome gemfinder: Fodder for cremations. They chosen fodder if they show up and act as damage for a turn or many cause of not drawing a cremate.

Elite graboid: Low cost and big powerhouse, great burst damage and cant be targetted when entering the field allows it to be evolved and played strategically.

Emerald tower: With no life creature being used as fodder like gemfinder epi can get expensive, used to help out a bit. (No such fodder even exists in fact.)

Epi: Gives 3 extra attacks (12 damage production) when on a flying hammer.

Cremate: Instant fire quanta to get out golems, also helps power graboid and an easy first turn hammer, allows for first turn epi flying hammer.

Lava destroyer: High medium range burst damage for low cost and easy to get out. 1 Cremate = 1 destroyer+2 quanta. 3 cremates = 4 destroyers.

Animate: To make hammer targettable for the damage boosting by epinephrine.

Bravery: Help draw faster for faster game averages, found it to be a bit more consistant and didnt feel like i was waiting around at the beginning.


Spoiler for card alternatives:
Basically anything you want thats low cost, whatever you think 'feels' right.  ;)

Not nightmare: Nightmare might work nicely from the raw version, not my version.

Not anything above the cost of 4 (if 4 only 1 copy) At 5 it just sits in your hand until youve drawn at least 10 cards (5 immo 5 gnome gemfinders) Earth is already heavy so no more earth cards, could try replacing a graboid for whatever you might have in mind, like a diamond shield, but would make it even tighter on earth.

If a cost of 3: I advise at max 2 copies of it. What ever you have in mind could be useful, maybe an elite fire fly for more fire. (Just a suggestion, im against it)

If a cost of 2: at max 3 copies, but pretty affordable.

If a cost of 1: Its probably not gonna be too effective of a card, but at max 4 copies because thats how much this deck allows you to change about it. Could have 5 if you dont mind having a 31 card version. 6 is too much for any 1 cost card. Could try 3 nightmares in the raw one and a pc card like explosion.
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1118936#msg1118936
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2014, 03:35:35 am »
Any reason not to use Gavel?
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1118937#msg1118937
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2014, 03:43:20 am »
Any reason not to use Gavel?
Updated it for the card by card on my version and for card alternatives. Adrenalin calculator says hammer>gavel when using an earth mark. (Adrenalin calculator and some hand written math) creatures with a base attack of 3 get 4 attacks, game mechanic allows gavel to hit 4 times and with earth mark 4 hits of 4 damage. Also its written not in depth under card by card for either version.

P.s. On a more personal note I find the raw version better with crema over a life tower.
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1118940#msg1118940
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2014, 05:15:42 am »
Gotcha, started to realize that with Epi in hand and only an animated Gavel on the field
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1118963#msg1118963
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2014, 01:50:50 pm »
Did you win that game?
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1118979#msg1118979
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2014, 03:34:37 pm »
Did you win that game?

Well, was just testing it in AI3. I did win, but it was clearly faster damage with Hammer. That said, if you don't combo the Epi and Hammer, then a Gavel is better. Hrm...
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1125116#msg1125116
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2014, 04:29:09 pm »
Nice deck
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1125125#msg1125125
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 05:50:39 pm »
Well, its upgraded. Its actually cheap because you dont have to upgrade 3 cards of 30 vs the whole 30.
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1125135#msg1125135
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 06:39:37 pm »
Just saying, not exactly the first person to put Hammer/Gavel in an immo-rush (though you may be the first to use Hammer in an unupgraded rush)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/archived-decks/flying-gavels-for-beating-lvl-3's-and-pvp/msg64904/#msg64904
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As for using unupgraded Gavel, note that Mono-Life Rush, despite having 6 Epinephrines for consistency, has a higher TTW with Giant Frog than with Horned Frog. Food for thought. In addition, this deck has other Epinephrine targets, most notably a Lava Destroyer (+8 damage vs +12 damage) you don't have enough quanta to grow, which is easier to draw than a Gavel and an Animate Weapon.

Mathematically, I think Gavel is clearly better. Assuming Hammer deals 4 4 4 4 with Epinephrine and Gavel deals 7 5 3, Hammer only deals a total of 1 damage more than Gavel with Epinephrine, deals 0/1/2 less damage against 1/2/3 damage reduction shields, and deals 3 less damage without Epinephrine.

As for Emerald Towers, I'd rather trade them for 1 Leaf Dragon and 1 more Graboid.

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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1125172#msg1125172
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 09:43:28 pm »
Well of course I'm not the first to put hammer into a immo rush. I find it quite common actually. I just made it more hammer heavy. I like your idea about leaf dragon. But theres 3 life towers not 2. Honestly, I find it can be a tad harsh on earth as it is now, so I don't want another graboid. How about a cheap defense card? Aha! The classic fog shield strikes again!
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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1125217#msg1125217
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 11:28:48 pm »
One doesn't just 'declare' something Revolutionary. It is whether it stands the test of time and effects the meta due to being strong enough to force players to switch to using it that causes it to be revolutionary. For example, PDials was revolutionary not because it was PDials but because no one could find a perfect counter for it that also beat other decks in the meta, causing PDials to become a top deck in the meta.

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Re: Revolutionary Lava Golem rush (a revised lava golem deck) [Quartet] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53166.msg1125218#msg1125218
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 11:32:45 pm »
:P Well then. Its just a title. And lava golem rushes were revolutionary. Back 4 years ago.
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