Post by: Zawadx on May 17, 2015, 11:56:24 am
Phase 2 - The Battle Round
The rules for this phase are quite detailed, so be sure to read through them all carefully.
Game Structure:
- Each player will play 24 games:
- A player will not play more than nine games vs. a single opponent.
- 12 in-element games will be distributed evenly across in-element opponents (Challengers in an element with a defending master will play against that Master in addition to the other challengers in that element).
- 12 off-element games will be distributed evenly across off-element opponents.
- Off-element matches will be vs the same off-element(s) for each element.
In-Element Match Ban Rules:
- Per the specifications below, everyone sends a list via a forum PM to both Trials Overseers (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=5357,%207603). Any card that gets two or more votes gets banned for all players in that Element (this rule applies the same to shards as it does to normal cards). If you do not send in a list a list will be randomized by the Trials Overseers. Any missing or illegal bans will be randomized by a TrO using EtG chat dice.
- The participants of the Trials of Aether will forum PM their bans to Physsion only (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=5357). Likewise, the participants of the Trials of Darkness will forum PM their bans to Zawadx only (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=7603).
- Pillars/Pends may not be banned. Putting down a pillar/pend will result in a random ban. (note: mark-cards are considered pillars and thus cannot be banned).
- Your list should contain 3 or 6 shards you wish to ban, and 1 or 2 NON-SHARD card(s) per element, including your in-element, but excluding other. (the number depends on the number of participants in their Trial)
- If there are 4 participants, everyone sends in a list with 3 shards and one card per element.
- If there are 3 participants, everyone sends in a list with 3 shards and one card per element. The Trials Overseers will provide a list to supplement the player provided lists
- If there are 2 participants, each person sends in a list with 6 shards and two cards per element. These cards may not be the same (IE: You cannot send in discord/discord for entropy). If you do, both are randomized.
- If there is 1 participant, They will send in a list with 6 shards and two cards per element. These cards may not be the same (IE: You cannot send in discord/discord for entropy). The Trials Overseers will provide a list to supplement the player provided list
Off-Element Game Specific Rules:
- Masters will only play against other Masters in off-element games, and challengers will only play against other challengers in off-element games.
- Opponent specific bans will be determined as follows:
- Before playing each off element opponent, you and your opponent select a ban-arbitrator who is in neither yours nor your opponent's element. You then pm him 3 shards and 3 non-shard cards. These cards are banned for both you and your opponent for all games you play against each other.
- The ban-arbitrator should be a Trials Overseer if one is available.
- If not a TrO, please have the ban arbitrator PM the Challengers' names and the banned cards for their games to the TrOs
- You may only ban 1 non-shard card from your opponent's element, and it may not be a creature.
- You may ban both your opponent's in-element shard and another (non-creature) card from their element
- Because Alchemy Cards and Nymphs are interchangeable per Deck Building Rules above, Alchemy Cards of your opponent's in-element cannot be banned in off-element duels because that would constitute banning an in-element creature for your opponent
Deckbuilding Rules:
- Decks may be of any size.
- You may use any mark.
- Deck must be at least 40% in element rounded up (including pillars/pends).
- Your deck may NOT contain more cards of any off-element than it does of your in-element.
- Your deck must contain at least 25% off element cards (rounded down) unless it is your once per match all in-element deck (This is a total of all off-element cards, not a 25% requirement for each individual off element).
- "Other" Cards are considered off-Element for all elements
- Mark cards are treated as pillars of the element whose quanta they produce for all deckbuilding rules
- Using a Pillar/Pendulum/Mark-card counts as using the Element that Pillar/Pendulum/Mark-card belongs to. Using a Quantum Pillar counts as using the "Other" Element.
- Any Banned cards are banned in both their upgraded and unupgraded forms.
- Any Banned Nymphs/Alchemy cards means the corresponding Alchemy Card/Nymph is also banned (and bans submitted for either will be totaled together).
- You may only use upgraded cards per your Tasks in Phase 1.
- You may only use off-elements per your Tasks in Phase 1.
- You may use your in-element cards regardless of whether or not your element was included in your Tasks in Phase 1.
| Deck Size | Minimum Cards From In-Element |
30 | 12 |
31-32 | 13 |
33-35 | 14 |
36-37 | 15 |
38-40 | 16 |
41-42 | 17 |
43-45 | 18 |
46-47 | 19 |
48-50 | 20 |
51-52 | 21 |
53-55 | 22 |
56-57 | 23 |
58-60 | 24 |
| Deck Size | Minimum Cards From Off-Element |
30-31 | 7 |
32-35 | 8 |
36-39 | 9 |
40-43 | 10 |
44-47 | 11 |
48-51 | 12 |
52-55 | 13 |
56-59 | 14 |
60 | 15 |
Deck Checker:
The talented Fippe94 has put together a Deck Checker tool to use with Trials. You can use this to make sure your Phase 2 decks are legal - bear in mind that as everyone has different upgrade allowances, this tool will not account for those.
http://etg.dek.im/vanilla/trials.htm
Game Rules:
- In the event of a desync, the players should play it out vs the AI on both sides
- If the same player wins in both "games", they are considered the winner of that game.
- If the two "games" result in wins for different players, the game is voided, and players may not switch decks before the next game.
- If it is obvious that a game will never end (e.g. if both players have zero net damage output -- where they can both heal off the damage done each turn easily -- and will never deck out, and both players have no means of breaking the stalemate), that game voided, and players may switch decks prior to the next game.
- Voided games do not count towards Elements used.
- In the event an illegal deck is used in any game (whether that game was voided at the time of the match or not) the user of the illegal deck will be given a loss for that game (and their opponent a win).
- Losing access to the Elements the Game during a game (refreshing the tab, clicking on ad that isn't a popup type, closing the tab/window/browser/computer, power outage, pet elephant stepping on your computer ect) counts as a loss (a win for your opponent) for that game.
Elements Choice Rules:
- Your element pool will include :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether and your unlocks from Phase 1 tasks.
- All appearances of your in-element in you element pool is replaced by :rainbow. If you use the :rainbow off-element in a game, you MUST use 6+ elements in your deck (excluding Other). However, these elements are not consumed from your element pool. All other Phase 2 rules stand (so you must have at least 40% in-element, minimum 25% off-element etc.)
- You may use each off-element in Phase 2 once per appearance of that Element in your Element pool. This same element pool goes for both in-element and off-element matches.
- "Other" is considered an off element, but may be used an unlimited number of times in Phase 2
- You may only use one all in-element 'mono' deck per opponent. This deck may NOT use off-element cards
- After every game, you must tell your opponent what elements you used in the previous game, but you should not share decklists or specific cards.
- If you run out of elements to use against a single opponent, the rest of your games against that opponent count are forfeit, and your opponent receives wins for those games.
- If both players run out of elements at the same time, the rest of the games are voided.
Rules regarding forfeits and Stand-ins:
- In the event of an Element with 1 participant or 2 participant, stand-ins will be used for all games needed past the maximum possible amongst the participants.
- For in-element games, the stand-in or stand-ins will abide by all the in-element rules for that element, including that element's in-element duel ban list
- Stand-ins will be considered to have completed Waging War (Against the False Gods), Beginning War Training, and Developing War Tactics
- Stand-ins will have unlocked :light :death :fire :gravity :aether :air :earth :life :entropy :gravity :time :darkness and :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether
- Stand-ins will be able to use up to 4 upgraded spell cards, 4 upgraded creature cards and 3 upgraded cards of any type in each deck
- In-element stand-in opponents are considered a single opponent
- So regardless of the number of stand-ins used against a single player, those stand-ins cannot re-use off-elements used by previous stand-ins against that player
- And that player may not re-use off elements against a stand-in they previously used against another stand-in
- If any player leaves the event with unplayed games, the TrOs will find a stand-in opponent to play that player's remaining games
- For off-element games, the stand-in will use the unlocks available to the person who left the event, and will abide by the bans made against that opponent if bans were already determined. Otherwise, the stand-in and their opponent will determine bans normally per the rules
After Matches and Scoring:
- Every player should post a topic in the TRIAL BATTLE RESULTS SECTION (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trial-battle-results/), titled :[Trials 9 - Phase 2] [yourElement] YourName # Wins - # Losses (e.g. [Underworld] STANDIN 23 Wins - 1 Losses)
- Update the title of this post after every game (or series of games vs a single opponent) so that it accurately reflects your record.
- Update the contents of this post after every game (or series of games vs a single opponent) so that it contains a list of the games you have completed, and the result of each of those games. If multiple games are against the same opponent, number the games
:underworld STANDIN vs :earth somepoorchallenger
Victory
:underworld STANDIN vs :earth anotherchump
Victory
:underworld STANDIN vs :life mysteriousopponent GAME 1
Loss
:underworld STANDIN vs :life mysteriousopponent GAME 2
Victory
- NO DECKS SHOULD BE POSTED UNTIL AFTER ROUND 2 HAS ENDED
- We also recommend not posting your off-elements used before Phase 2 ends, so that your opponents don't get an unfair advantage.
- Check the bottom of this post for timers and warning
- Please save your decks for easy posting after the round ends
- We recommend sending your decks for each match as a PM to yourself to easily copy paste into the post during the 2 day window
- If a game is not played before Phase 2 ends, it will be ruled a forfeit for the player who made the least attempt to ensure the match was played. i.e. a win for the demonstrably more active player
- Each game is scored independently, and a win awards 0.5 points
- Defeating a defending Master awards an additional 0.25 points
- If both players can provide sufficient evidence that they tried to make a match happen, but were unable to complete it, the TrOs reserve the right to award up to 0.12 points (per game) to each player for a draw
Here are the In-element Games list (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trial-battle-results/9th-trials-phase-2-in-element-match-results-and-countdown/) and Off-element Games lists (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trial-battle-results/9th-trials-phase-2-off-element-match-results-and-countdown/msg1189906/#msg1189906). Pretty tables inside!
For In-Element Ban Lists:
Ban sending is over.
For matches:
Match time is over
Note: You can do your off element match(s) during the ban time if you wish.
Any player who does not post their Phase 2 decks during the 2 days between the end of Phase 2 and the beginning of Phase 3 will both not receive Phase 2 points and be disallowed from being in the Phase 3 poll.
Begin Deck Submission:
Deck Submission has Begun
Deck Submission Deadline:
Deck Submission has ENDED
Post by: Zawadx on May 17, 2015, 12:00:36 pm
ELEMENT | CHALLENGERS | UNLOCKED ELEMENTS |
| :aetherbig | deuce22 Zawadx | :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :rainbow :rainbow :air :earth :life :life :water :fire :darkness :light :death :fire :gravity |
| :airbig | Afdarenty DANIEELA | :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :rainbow :time :darkness :aether :aether :death :entropy :rainbow :aether :rainbow :earth :life :life :water :fire :darkness |
| :darknessbig | Physsion ji412jo | :light :earth :water :time :life :water :fire :rainbow :aether :death :entropy :air :aether :death :entropy :air :aether :air :earth :life :light :earth :water :time |
| :deathbig | Fippe94 Puff kirbylover314 rob77dp | :entropy :rainbow :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether :aether :air :earth :life :light :rainbow :fire :gravity :aether :rainbow :entropy :air :aether :air :earth :life :light :earth :water :time :life :water :fire :darkness :aether :rainbow :entropy :air :light :earth :water :time :entropy :gravity :time :darkness |
| :earthbig | MegroN theelkspeaks | :entropy :death :gravity :rainbow :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether :light :death :fire :gravity :aether :death :entropy :air :aether :air :rainbow :life |
| :entropybig | iancudorinmarian dark ripper | :light :earth :water :time :aether :air :earth :life :life :water :fire :darkness :light :death :fire :gravity :aether :air :earth :life :life :water :fire :darkness |
| :firebig | Vangelios flyingcat RootRanger | :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :rainbow :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether :life :water :rainbow :darkness :light :death :rainbow :gravity :aether :death :entropy :air :aether :death :entropy :air :light :earth :water :time :aether :air :earth :life |
| :gravitybig | Captain Scibra Ginyu monstrossen Dm | :entropy :death :rainbow :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether :light :death :fire :rainbow :entropy :rainbow :time :darkness :light :earth :water :time :entropy :rainbow :time :darkness :aether :death :entropy :air :life :water :fire :darkness :light :earth :water :time :aether :air :earth :life :aether :death :entropy :air |
| :lifebig | dawn to dusk mathman101 | :entropy :death :gravity :earth :rainbow :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether :light :death :fire :gravity :aether :air :earth :rainbow :light :earth :water :time |
| :lightbig | CrockettRocket Zso_Zso | :rainbow :death :gravity :fire :aether :air :earth :life :life :water :fire :darkness :rainbow :death :fire :gravity :aether :air :earth :life :entropy :gravity :time :darkness |
| :timebig | SpikeSpiegel worldwideweb3 | :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :rainbow :darkness :aether :death :light :fire :gravity :earth :aether :air :life :gravity :entropy :rainbow :darkness |
| :waterbig | ddevans96 jonathancrazyj treebeard xiii Blacksmith | :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :rainbow :light :air :time :darkness :aether :light :light :death :fire :fire :gravity :earth :rainbow :rainbow :time :life :darkness :light :death :gravity :fire :life :rainbow :fire :darkness :entropy :gravity :darkness :time :aether :death :entropy :air :aether :air :earth :life :entropy :gravity :darkness :time |
CHALLENGER BATTLE UPGRADE UNLOCKS
ELEMENT | CHALLENGERS | CREATURES | SPELLS | PILLAR/PEND | NON-PILLAR/PEND PERM | "ANY" |
| :aetherbig | deuce22 Zawadx | 0 5 | 0 5 | 0 0 | 0 1 | 14 1 |
| :airbig | Afdarenty DANIEELA | 0 1 | 0 5 | 0 5 | 0 1 | 14 1 |
| :darknessbig | Physsion ji412jo | 1 0 | 1 4 | 5 5 | 5 4 | 1 0 |
| :deathbig | Fippe94 Puff kirbylover314 rob77dp | 0 4 1 0 | 0 4 5 0 | 0 0 5 5 | 0 4 1 4 | 14 0 1 3 |
| :earthbig | MegroN theelkspeaks | 0 4 | 0 4 | 0 0 | 0 4 | 12 0 |
| :entropybig | iancudorinmarian dark ripper | 1 5 | 5 5 | 5 0 | 1 1 | 1 1 |
| :firebig | Vangelios flyingcat RootRanger | 0 5 0 | 0 1 4 | 0 0 5 | 0 5 4 | 14 1 0 |
| :gravitybig | Captain Scibra Ginyu montrossen Dm1321 | 0 4 1 0 | 0 0 1 4 | 0 5 0 5 | 0 0 5 4 | 14 3 4 0 |
| :lifebig | dawn to dusk mathman101 | 0 4 | 0 4 | 0 5 | 0 0 | 14 0 |
| :lightbig | CrockettRocket Zso_Zso | 5 4 | 5 4 | 0 0 | 1 0 | 1 3 |
| :timebig | SpikeSpiegel worldwideweb3 | 0 4 | 0 4 | 0 0 | 0 0 | 14 3 |
| :waterbig | ddevans96 jonathancrazyj treebeard xiii Blacksmith | 0 5 5 0 | 0 1 1 4 | 0 5 0 0 | 0 1 1 4 | 14 1 4 0 |
IN-ELEMENT DUEL BANLISTS
Shards: Sacrifice, Focus, Patience, Freedom, Divinity
:entropy: Discord
:earth: Earthquake
:water: Trident
:light: Miracle
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:entropy: Discord
:earth: Earthquake
:water: Trident
:light: Miracle
:aether: Dimensional Shield
Shards: Freedom, Gratitude, Divinity, Focus, Patience
:earth: Earthquake
:fire: Phoenix
:water: Nymph's Tears (Nymph Queen)
:light: Sanctuary
:time: Sundial
:darkness: Devourer
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:earth: Earthquake
:fire: Phoenix
:water: Nymph's Tears (Nymph Queen)
:light: Sanctuary
:time: Sundial
:darkness: Devourer
:aether: Dimensional Shield
Shards: Freedom, Sacrifice, Divinity, Focus
:death: Bone Wall
:gravity: Gravity Shield
:earth: Earthquake
:fire: Phoenix
:water: Nymph's Tears (Nymph Queen)
:air: Owl's Eye
:time: Reverse Time
:darkness: Steal
:aether: Lightning
:death: Bone Wall
:gravity: Gravity Shield
:earth: Earthquake
:fire: Phoenix
:water: Nymph's Tears (Nymph Queen)
:air: Owl's Eye
:time: Reverse Time
:darkness: Steal
:aether: Lightning
Shards: Sacrifice, Freedom, Patience, Divinity
:entropy: Discord
:life: Adrenaline (Green Nymph)
:fire: Fire Bolt
:water: Purify
:light: Sanctuary
:air: Wings
:entropy: Discord
:life: Adrenaline (Green Nymph)
:fire: Fire Bolt
:water: Purify
:light: Sanctuary
:air: Wings
Bravery, Sacrifice, Focus
Toadfish
Devourer
Dimensional Shield
Toadfish
Devourer
Dimensional Shield
Shards: Focus, Sacrifice, Freedom, Patience
Antimatter (Purple Nymph)
Arsenic
Black Hole (Amber Nymph)
Earthquake
Empathic Bond
Arctic Squid
Miracle
Devourer
Dimensional Shield
Antimatter (Purple Nymph)
Arsenic
Black Hole (Amber Nymph)
Earthquake
Empathic Bond
Arctic Squid
Miracle
Devourer
Dimensional Shield
Shards: Patience, Bravery, Sacrifice
Discord
Bone Wall
Otyugh
Graboid
Unstable Gas
Reverse Time, Precognition
Fractal
Discord
Bone Wall
Otyugh
Graboid
Unstable Gas
Reverse Time, Precognition
Fractal
Shards: Focus, Patience, Sacrifice
Adrenaline (Green Nymph)
Freeze
Blessing
Flying Weapon
Reverse Time
Fractal
Adrenaline (Green Nymph)
Freeze
Blessing
Flying Weapon
Reverse Time
Fractal
Shards: Sacrifice, Focus, Freedom, Patience
:entropy: Discord
:death: Plague
:gravity: Otyugh
:fire: Fire Shield, Rain of Fire
:water: Ice Shield
:time: Reverse Time
:aether: Dimensional Shield, Lobotomizer
:entropy: Discord
:death: Plague
:gravity: Otyugh
:fire: Fire Shield, Rain of Fire
:water: Ice Shield
:time: Reverse Time
:aether: Dimensional Shield, Lobotomizer
Shards: Readiness, Focus, Freedom
:entropy: Discord
:earth: Earthquake
:time: Eternity
:darkness: Nightmare
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:entropy: Discord
:earth: Earthquake
:time: Eternity
:darkness: Nightmare
:aether: Dimensional Shield
Shards: Readiness, Patience, Focus, Sacrifice
:death: Poison
:gravity: Momentum
:earth: Earthquake, Graboid
:life: Adrenaline (Green Nymph)
:fire: Immolation
:light: Sanctuary
:air: Wings
:time: Reverse Time
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:death: Poison
:gravity: Momentum
:earth: Earthquake, Graboid
:life: Adrenaline (Green Nymph)
:fire: Immolation
:light: Sanctuary
:air: Wings
:time: Reverse Time
:aether: Dimensional Shield
Shards: Freedom, Sacrifice, Patience, Focus
:entropy: Antimatter (Purple Nymph), Discord
:gravity: Black Hole (Amber Nymph)
:life: Rustler
:fire: Fire Bolt
:water: Mind Flayer
:light: Sanctuary
:time: Reverse Time
:darkness: Steal
:aether: Dimensional Shield
:entropy: Antimatter (Purple Nymph), Discord
:gravity: Black Hole (Amber Nymph)
:life: Rustler
:fire: Fire Bolt
:water: Mind Flayer
:light: Sanctuary
:time: Reverse Time
:darkness: Steal
:aether: Dimensional Shield
Post by: andretimpa on May 17, 2015, 12:41:23 pm
Post by: Zawadx on May 17, 2015, 01:03:17 pm
Which elements will face each elements? Will there be a master's tournament or something different?
See the following thread for all the matchups: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trial-battle-results/9th-trials-phase-2-off-element-match-results-and-countdown/
Post by: DANIEELA on May 17, 2015, 06:53:46 pm
"Your element pool will include :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :rainbow :time :darkness :aether and your unlocks from Phase 1 tasks."
In Phase 1 have unlocked :
-Starting Your Own Little War :aether :death :entropy :rainbow
-Waging War :aether :rainbow :earth :life
-Taking Up Arms :life :water :fire :darkness
So,in total i have
:entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :rainbow :time :darkness :aether + :aether :death :entropy :rainbow + :aether :rainbow :earth :life + :life :water :fire :darkness
Am i right?
Second question- vs each of my 5 opponents i can use once mono :air deck?
Third question- "If you use the :rainbow off-element in a game, you MUST use 6+ elements in your deck"
I suppose that other minimum 5 elements can be only from my unlocked elements?
Post by: Zawadx on May 18, 2015, 12:02:44 am
Please,some clarification...
"Your element pool will include :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :rainbow :time :darkness :aether and your unlocks from Phase 1 tasks."
In Phase 1 have unlocked :
-Starting Your Own Little War :aether :death :entropy :rainbow
-Waging War :aether :rainbow :earth :life
-Taking Up Arms :life :water :fire :darkness
So,in total i have
:entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :rainbow :time :darkness :aether + :aether :death :entropy :rainbow + :aether :rainbow :earth :life + :life :water :fire :darkness
Am i right?
Yes.
Quote
Second question- vs each of my 5 opponents i can use once mono :air deck?
Yes.
Quote
Third question- "If you use the :rainbow off-element in a game, you MUST use 6+ elements in your deck"
I suppose that other minimum 5 elements can be only from my unlocked elements?
No, you may use the other elements regardless of your element pool.
Post by: CrockettRocket on May 18, 2015, 03:26:39 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 18, 2015, 06:41:28 am
Third question- "If you use the :rainbow off-element in a game, you MUST use 6+ elements in your deck"
I suppose that other minimum 5 elements can be only from my unlocked elements?
No, you may use the other elements regardless of your element pool.
So basically a player's in-element Phase 1 unlock represents an "rainbow deck allowed" unlock instance.
This is to say that my in-element (Death), each time it appears in my list, is an allowed 6+ elements-used-deck or "rainbow" deck and consumes from my list ONLY the instance of :rainbow.
TrO's - is that an accurate interpretation of this?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 18, 2015, 07:54:15 am
I'm not a TrO, but yes, that's true.Third question- "If you use the :rainbow off-element in a game, you MUST use 6+ elements in your deck"
I suppose that other minimum 5 elements can be only from my unlocked elements?
No, you may use the other elements regardless of your element pool.
So basically a player's in-element Phase 1 unlock represents an "rainbow deck allowed" unlock instance.
This is to say that my in-element (Death), each time it appears in my list, is an allowed 6+ elements-used-deck or "rainbow" deck and consumes from my list ONLY the instance of :rainbow.
TrO's - is that an accurate interpretation of this?
Post by: Fippe94 on May 18, 2015, 09:46:37 am
Simply choose the element you are trialing for, select the tasks you have done in Phase 1 (for Beginning War Training you choose how many categories you completed) and select if you are gonna play an in- or off-element game. Then click Test Deck and it will tell you if the deck is legal or not. If it was, it will also tell you which off-element(s) it uses.
The checker is also linked in the OP of this topic.
Note that only Darkness has its bans included, I will add the other elements' bans when they are posted here. If you notice any inconsistencies with the rules, just tell me and I'll update the checker.
Post by: Physsion on May 18, 2015, 09:55:46 am
Post by: rob77dp on May 18, 2015, 06:57:38 pm
Making a post here so people see it easier: I made a deck checker for Trials at http://etg.dek.im/vanilla/trials.htm
Simply choose the element you are trialing for, select the tasks you have done in Phase 1 (for Beginning War Training you choose how many categories you completed) and select if you are gonna play an in- or off-element game. Then click Test Deck and it will tell you if the deck is legal or not. If it was, it will also tell you which off-element(s) it uses.
The checker is also linked in the OP of this topic.
Note that only Darkness has its bans included, I will add the other elements' bans when they are posted here. If you notice any inconsistencies with the rules, just tell me and I'll update the checker.
The deck checker is not registering an illegal deck for when an off-element has more than the in-element quantity (small band of this occurs between 40% and 50% if a duo)...
Post by: Fippe94 on May 18, 2015, 07:52:16 pm
The deck checker is not registering an illegal deck for when an off-element has more than the in-element quantity (small band of this occurs between 40% and 50% if a duo)...Good catch, had missed to add that rule. Should work properly now!
Post by: Physsion on May 19, 2015, 12:50:35 am
We are currently working on adding the in-element ban lists to the second post as well, please bear with us as we add them all in. Thanks for your patience!
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 19, 2015, 10:03:29 pm
How many of your opponent's in-element cards may you ban? It seems like max 2, one shard, one normal card.
If you ban their shard, you may not ban a creature of their element.
Can you ban a creature of their element if you did not ban their shard?
Post by: Zawadx on May 20, 2015, 12:32:13 am
Question regarding off-element bans.
How many of your opponent's in-element cards may you ban? It seems like max 2, one shard, one normal card.
If you ban their shard, you may not ban a creature of their element.
Can you ban a creature of their element if you did not ban their shard?
Two, yes. And the rule state you may ban their shard and a non-shard card. This non-shard card may not be a creature, regardless of you banning the shard.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 20, 2015, 10:18:11 am
Post by: Physsion on May 20, 2015, 10:37:49 am
Post by: Ginyu on May 20, 2015, 08:50:02 pm
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The participants of the Trials of Aether will forum PM their bans to Physsion only.
The used link leads to someone else than Physsion.
Post by: RootRanger on May 20, 2015, 09:47:31 pm
If there are 3 participants, everyone sends in a list with 3 shards and one card per element. The Trials Overseers will provide a list to supplement the player provided listsThis does not really make sense to me. What are the cards in the supplementary list? Or are we not supposed to know them, in which case my question is how the cards are being chosen? Are they random? Are they the cards the TrOs personally think are most powerful?
Post by: Zawadx on May 20, 2015, 11:40:16 pm
If there are 3 participants, everyone sends in a list with 3 shards and one card per element. The Trials Overseers will provide a list to supplement the player provided listsThis does not really make sense to me. What are the cards in the supplementary list? Or are we not supposed to know them, in which case my question is how the cards are being chosen? Are they random? Are they the cards the TrOs personally think are most powerful?
The list will include cards which the TrOs think are strongest from each element with respect to synergy with :fire. The list has been provided by me.
Post by: rob77dp on May 21, 2015, 06:26:41 am
The deck checker is not registering an illegal deck for when an off-element has more than the in-element quantity (small band of this occurs between 40% and 50% if a duo)...Good catch, had missed to add that rule. Should work properly now!
I'm not sure how tedious it is adding ban lists element-by-element instead of all-at-once after they're all in, but it would be helpful to get them input somewhat close to the timeframe they are revealed to make most use of the checker.
:)
Thanks Fippe! :)
Post by: Fippe94 on May 21, 2015, 03:31:21 pm
TrOs: It would help a lot if you posted a deck code with the bans as well, would make updating faster and easier.
Post by: Physsion on May 22, 2015, 03:02:56 am
Thanks for the hard work, Fippe - I will start adding deck codes to the posts later, but don't have the time to do it right at this moment.
Post by: Zawadx on May 23, 2015, 02:24:50 am
Post by: CrockettRocket on May 23, 2015, 05:36:24 pm
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 23, 2015, 05:37:55 pm
Post by: deuce22 on May 24, 2015, 07:16:18 pm
I think another 7 days would be sufficient, but any extension would be helpful
Post by: Vangelios on May 24, 2015, 08:30:21 pm
I think another 7 days would be sufficient, but any extension would be helpful+1
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 24, 2015, 09:42:26 pm
+1I think another 7 days would be sufficient, but any extension would be helpful+1
while i stated in chat that i should be able to get them done, it would be so much better to have the extra week
Post by: CrockettRocket on May 24, 2015, 09:43:39 pm
so far at +3 (including myself)+1I think another 7 days would be sufficient, but any extension would be helpful+1
while i stated in chat that i should be able to get them done, it would be so much better to have the extra week
Post by: RootRanger on May 24, 2015, 10:45:16 pm
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 24, 2015, 11:13:16 pm
Having said that, a lot of people probably have far more opponents than I (6) so whatever the crowd / TrOs want is fine, but when I saw the phase I thought "24 games in 2 weeks? wow, that's a lot with 2 jobs..." But actually organising them around my schedule, and powering through them is giving me a sense of accomplishment and keeps the event fresh. The longer it drags on, the less of an 'Epic Trial' it is in my opinion.
Dat my 2 :electrum
Post by: CrockettRocket on May 25, 2015, 01:06:39 am
Personally I think that it is doable if you get organised. Some times are harder to connect up but isn't high organisation a mark of a good master?
Having said that, a lot of people probably have far more opponents than I (6) so whatever the crowd / TrOs want is fine, but when I saw the phase I thought "24 games in 2 weeks? wow, that's a lot with 2 jobs..." But actually organising them around my schedule, and powering through them is giving me a sense of accomplishment and keeps the event fresh. The longer it drags on, the less of an 'Epic Trial' it is in my opinion.
Dat my 2 :electrum
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Some times are harder to connect up but isn't high organisation a mark of a good master?-1 game could be worth lots of points. -1 opponent is worth too many points to be argued against the organization of a master. If you couldn't meet up with me, and only I was active and trying hard to find a time for us both to meet up, should I be denied the points of the games I could've potentially won against you? Are you trying to answer that question with "Yes, because high organization is a mark of a good master,"? Or would it be more fair to give trialists more time to get out the games, and award the points respectfully?
That is how I perceived your stance. If that is the case, then TrO's could've given trialists a very short amount of time, 3 days (an example) and then made matches more important so a trialists time and organization has more value. However, if my argument is also taken to an extreme, then phase 2 could never end until everyone finished their matches, but would probably stop after 1 month max.
So my conclusion/suggestion is that TrO's could come up with an arbitrary number of unfinished matches, and if 1 day before the end of the deadline the number of unfinished matches is equel to their arbitrary number, the extend it by however long that think the remaining matches should take. This is just my idea/conclusion/suggestion, but I'll let the TrO's do their job. I'm not trying argue with jonathan, I'm just speaking my thoughts and would love if jonathan PM'd me if my perceptions were right or wrong. :P
Post by: mathman101 on May 25, 2015, 01:20:55 am
For most people in Americas the timer ends in the early AM (6AM local for myself) on a Sunday. For some people with large spread time zones between opponents it may be useful to have that extra Sunday morning/afternoon to play the match if the opponent can only play in their local afternoon/evening time.
Just my thoughts on the extra time discussion.
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 25, 2015, 10:46:05 am
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I don't think a full week more is needed, but 24-48 hours extra would be nice.
This, I could get behind :)
Post by: Zso_Zso on May 25, 2015, 11:57:18 am
QuoteI don't think a full week more is needed, but 24-48 hours extra would be nice.
This, I could get behind :)
+1 for that
Post by: Zawadx on May 25, 2015, 05:10:51 pm
For matches:
Match time is over
We hope that this will be in the best interests of ALL Trialists. Root, perhaps you can start sign-ups sooner? I personally don't think there should be much conflict of the first rounds of you event with Final Battles, but you should be able to start before 12 Lives ends I think.
Post by: montrossen on May 25, 2015, 08:13:08 pm
One week extension granted for Phase 2. You have until June 7th to get your matches done. The schedule in OP has been updated to reflect this change.*melts in relief*
For matches:
Match time is over
We hope that this will be in the best interests of ALL Trialists. Root, perhaps you can start sign-ups sooner? I personally don't think there should be much conflict of the first rounds of you event with Final Battles, but you should be able to start before 12 Lives ends I think.
Post by: Fippe94 on May 27, 2015, 04:54:05 pm
Let me know if you find any problems with it, or if any part of is inconsistent with the rules.
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on June 02, 2015, 10:53:56 am
Quote from: Zawadx in Announcments
dark ripper has withdrawn from Trials due to personal reasons, and Captain Scibra has remained inactive for a long time. So we are removing them both from trials, and to prevent more hassle on the part of STANDIN, will be awarding free wins to all their remaining opponents. Each of their opponents with matches remaining against them will receive a win in each match they were supposed to play against them, but will also have to give up an instance of an element in their element pool. The element chosen for this should be posted after Phase 2 matches end.
If Captain Scibra returns before the end of Phase 2 and wishes to continue with Trials, then he will be able to play his matches.
Also, note that Physsi's bonus points have been awarded! Thanks to all those who put in their efforts in Phase 1, hope you enjoy the rewards!
So, if people have already played against them and lost, aren't they at a disadvantage to people who have not played against them, and therefore been granted free wins?
Obviously this only applies if the two players in question are in the same element.
I also haven't checked if this scenario is actually applicable, sorry if that's not the case.
Post by: Zawadx on June 02, 2015, 11:10:23 am
Quote from: Zawadx in Announcmentsdark ripper has withdrawn from Trials due to personal reasons, and Captain Scibra has remained inactive for a long time. So we are removing them both from trials, and to prevent more hassle on the part of STANDIN, will be awarding free wins to all their remaining opponents. Each of their opponents with matches remaining against them will receive a win in each match they were supposed to play against them, but will also have to give up an instance of an element in their element pool. The element chosen for this should be posted after Phase 2 matches end.
If Captain Scibra returns before the end of Phase 2 and wishes to continue with Trials, then he will be able to play his matches.
Also, note that Physsi's bonus points have been awarded! Thanks to all those who put in their efforts in Phase 1, hope you enjoy the rewards!
So, if people have already played against them and lost, aren't they at a disadvantage to people who have not played against them, and therefore been granted free wins?
Obviously this only applies if the two players in question are in the same element.
I also haven't checked if this scenario is actually applicable, sorry if that's not the case.
Only games completed by them is ian's in-element 9 game series vs rippy. Since ian is operating under single-trialist rules, his games are considered differently than others. If I missed any, feel free to contact me!
Post by: montrossen on June 05, 2015, 12:15:35 pm
Post by: Ginyu on June 05, 2015, 12:25:45 pm
Quote from: Zawadx in Announcements
dark ripper has withdrawn from Trials due to personal reasons, and Captain Scibra has remained inactive for a long time. So we are removing them both from trials, and to prevent more hassle on the part of STANDIN, will be awarding free wins to all their remaining opponents. Each of their opponents with matches remaining against them will receive a win in each match they were supposed to play against them, but will also have to give up an instance of an element in their element pool. The element chosen for this should be posted after Phase 2 matches end.
If Captain Scibra returns before the end of Phase 2 and wishes to continue with Trials, then he will be able to play his matches.