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14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301806#msg1301806
« on: August 08, 2020, 11:30:30 am »
Phase 4: The Final Battle

Final Battles Bans Doc

Final Battle Ban Rules
Spoiler for Ban Point Cost Table:
Even # Games
(up to 2 in-element, 7 total)
Odd # Games
(up to 2 in-element, 7 total)
All-Game Ban
(up to 1 in-element)
In-element cards
9 points
10 points
19 points
Off-element cards
4 point
5 points
9 points
  • In addition to this, you may choose up to 2 cards. These are banned for both you and your opponent. This costs 0 points. You have 3 days to send in these bans.
    • These cards may not be from your own element. However, the in-element Nymph card and Shard may be banned in this way. Note that banning a Nymph here doesn't ban the corresponding alchemy card.
  • Game = a single game (1/9), Match is the best-of-nine (winner has to win 5 games)
  • Each player is given 59 ban points he/she may use to ban cards.
  • Both the unupped and upped version of a card will be banned. Please list your bans using the unupgraded card.
  • Pillars, pendulums, and mark-cards cannot be banned.  This includes quantum pillar.
  • You can use the cards that you banned but not the cards your opponent banned.
  • You can ban a card from being used in either an even (2,4,6,8) or odd number game(1,3,5,7,9).
  • You may only "ban", "ban for odd numbered games", or "ban for even numbered games" once per card.
  • For in-element cards you may either use full bans, or ban for (even)/(odd) games. (see example 3)
    • Banning an in-element card for all games invalidates any subsequent (even) or (odd) in-element bans.
    • Banning an in-element card for (even) or (odd) games invalidates any subsequent (full) in-element bans
  • If you choose to use a full ban on in-element cards, you may only have 1 such ban.  (see example #5)
  • If you choose to use (even)/(odd) bans on in-element cards, you may only have 2 such bans of each type (so up to 2 evens bans and 2 odds bans).  (see example #4)
  • You may only have a total of 7 bans of each type (so a maximum of 7 odds bans and a maximum of 7 evens bans). This is in addition to the in-element restriction. (see example #4)
  • Banning a nymph/alchemy card also bans the corresponding alchemy/nymph card for that element.
    • This 'extra' ban does NOT cost ban points.
  • The order you send in bans will determine what bans are illegal/legal
    • This means if you use up too many ban points, they will be accepted in the order of the list (See example 1)
    • This also means that if you make any two incompatible bans, the one higher in the list will be accepted and the other invalidated (see example 2 & 5)




Spoiler for Example #1 (participant in Trial of Aether):
Ban Spark even # games (9)
Ban Lightning odd # games (10)
Ban Mindgate odd # games (10)
Ban Shard of Wisdom even # games (9)
Ban Dagger (9)
Ban Hammer even # games (4)
Ban Short Bow even # games (4)
Ban Relic (9) <- Not counted since they've used up 55/59 ban points so far
Ban Shard of Serendipity even # games (4) <- Counted because they still have 4 points remaining

Banned cards: Spark (evens), Lightning (odds), Mindgate (odds), Shard of Wisdom (evens), Dagger, Hammer (evens), Short Bow (evens), Shard of Serendipity (evens)
Ban points used = 9 + 10 + 10 + 9 + 9 + 4 + 4 + 4 = 59




Spoiler for Example #2 (participant in Trial of Aether):
Ban Spark (19)
Ban Maxwell's Demon even # games (4)
Ban Abomination odd # games (5)
Ban Butterfly Effect even # games (4) <- Price doesn't change even though it's the second even ban in Entropy
Ban Quantum pillar (9) <- Disregarded as pillar, pendulums and marks aren't bannable.
Ban Discord (9)
Ban Spark (19) <- This ban is a duplicate of one made before, so it isn't counted
Ban Arsenic odd # games (5)
Ban Fire Spirit odd # games (5)
Ban Shard of Readiness odd # games (5)
Ban Discord odd # games (5) <- Incompatible with the full ban on Discord made earlier. Since this is below on the list, this one isn't counted

Banned cards: Spark, Maxwell's Demon (evens), Abomination (odds), Butterfly Effect (evens), Discord, Arsenic (odds), Fire Spirit (odds), Shard of Readiness (odds)
Ban points used = 19 + 4 + 5 + 4 + 9 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 56 (It's alright if you don't use all your ban points)



Spoiler for Example #3 (participant in Trial of Aether):
Ban Spark (19) <- Legit because it's the first ban
Ban Lightning odd # games (10) <- Not legit because they banned an in element card for all the games
Ban Hammer odd # games (5)
Ban Parallel Universe odd # games  (10)  <- Not legit because they banned an in element card for all the games
Ban Short Sword odd # games (5)
Ban Immortal even # games (10) <- Not legit because they banned an in element card for all the games
Ban Dagger (9)
Ban Phase Salvager even # games (10) <- Not legit because they banned an in element card for all the games

Note that even though there were 4 odd/evens bans in-element and only 1 full in-element ban, the full ban came earlier and so invalidates all subsequent odds/evens bans.

Banned Cards: Spark, Hammer (odds), Short Sword (odds), Dagger
Ban points used = 19 + 5 + 5 + 9 = 38



Spoiler for Example #4 (participant in Trial of Aether):
Ban Spark even # games (9)
Ban Lightning odd # games (10)
Ban Maxwell's demon even # games (4)
Ban Silence even # games (9)
Ban Purple Dragon even # games (4)
Ban Nova even # games (4)
Ban Shard of Wisdom even # games (9) <- Not counted since they already have 2 in-element evens bans
Ban Antimatter even # games (4) (Note that this also bans Purple Nymph)
Ban Chaos Seed even # games (4)
Ban Lycanthrope even # games (4) <- Not counted because they already have 7 evens bans
Ban Dagger even # games (4) <- Not counted because they already have 7 evens bans
Ban Mindgate odd # games (10) <- Still counted since it's odds, not evens.

Banned cards: Spark (evens), Lightning (odds), Maxwell's Demon (evens), Silence (evens), Purple Dragon (evens), Nova (evens), Antimatter/Purple Nymph (evens), Chaos Seed (evens), Mindgate (odds)
Ban points used = 9 + 10 + 4 + 9 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 10 = 58




Spoiler for Example #5 (participant in Trial of Aether):

Ban Spark (19)
Ban Lightning (19) <- Not counted since they already have 1 in-element full ban
Ban Shard of Bravery (9)
Ban Shard of Readiness (9)
Ban Dagger (9)
Ban Relic (9)
Ban Shard of Serendipity odd # games (5) <- Not counted since 55/59 ban points have been used already.
Ban Shard of Serendipity even # games (4) <- Normally this would conflict with the above odds ban, but since that was disregarded for some other rule this one is counted.

Banned Cards: Spark, Shard of Bravery, Shard of Readiness, Dagger, Relic, Shard of Serendipity (evens)
Ban Points used: 19 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 4 = 59




PM your ban list to all Trials Overseers you are not competing against. Banned cards will be made public when the countdown timer below ends.  Contestants will then have nine days to build their decks and fight.

Participants of the Trials of Air and the Trials of Fire should only send their ban list to DoubleCapitals & PlayerOa.
Participants of the Trials of Time and the Trials of Entropy should only send their ban list to worldwideweb3 & DoubleCapitals.
Participants of the Trials of Earth should only send their ban list to worldwideweb3 & PlayerOa.

A few more things:
1) To have no bans, you must send a PM saying that you are banning no cards. If you don't send in this PM, then your spot in the final battle is liable to be given to someone else (Example: Player 1 fights Player 2 in the final battle. Player 2 does not want to have bans but does not send in a PM. Player 3 will gain the opportunity to compete against Player 1 in the final battle). If there is no one to take a place, then it will be counted as not banning anything. If a replacement takes place, they will be given 48 hours from the end of the ban timer to send their bans and 48 hours past the duel timer to play their match.

2) If you wish to share your ban list with your opponent before the end of the banning phase then you need to note in your ban list PM that you wish to do so (flag for "early release"). If both players in an Element flag their bans for "early release", as soon as the second ban list is received, both lists are final and may not be updated or altered.  Illegal bans will be processed per the rules above, as though the list were received and not updated before the deadline.  The order of the list will determine which are accepted and which are invalidated according to the rules for bans.  Please check your lists very carefully or ask a TrO to review them for legality before submitting them if you are unsure.

3) Bans that are not flagged "early release" are not final until the ban deadline timer ends.  Up til this deadline, any new list received will overwrite the existing list.  Any updates to an existing list must be sent in the form of a new complete list.  (e.g. "I want to ban dimensional shield instead of discord" will not be processed). 

4) Until your list is finalized (within reason, as a TrO may not be available at the last time you are available before the deadline) you may check with a TrO if your current banlist is legal, and all your bans are valid.  You may then submit a new list up until the point at which your ban list is finalized (you and your opponent submit lists flagged for "early release" or the ban timer ends, whichever occurs first).  If you intend to flag your bans for "early release" we recommend submitting them without this flag first, requesting a legality check, and then after resolving the legality submitting your final list with the "early release" flag.

To send Cards (for both) bans:
Time's Up!

To send bans:
Time's Up!

Final Battles Bans Doc



Final Battle Deckbuilding Rules

  • Deck may be of any size.
  • You may use any mark as many times.
  • Every element (except the one you are trialling for) can only be used for a maximum of two times.
    • Every off-element card can only be used in one deck for the entire series. You may put as many copies of it as you wish, but then, after that game, said card cannot be used by you anymore.
    • In addition to this, you can for ONE game during the series play a deck using a "Rainbow" element.
      • This deck needs to use four or more elements.
      • 'Other' cards do not count as one of the four.
      • You can only use elements you haven't already used up.
      • However, an element used in the rainbow matchup does not count as used.
        • Example: Say you have one more aether slot left. After playing aether in the rainbow game, you still have one aether slot left. But to be eligible to play an aether card, you can't already have played aether in two games. So, if you have used both of your aether slots, you can not play any aether cards in your rainbow.
      • Distinct cards, however, can still only be used in one deck, rainbow or not.
  • At least 50% (rounded up) of the cards in your deck have to be in-element.
    • The rest of cards can be from any element, including 'Other'.
      • 'Other' is considered off-element for all elements for deckbuilding (but the ban pricing is per the table)
    • This means a 31-card deck must have 16 or more in-element cards.  A 31-card deck with 15 in-element cards is illegal.
  • Your deck cannot contain cards completely banned by your opponent (in any game).
  • Your deck in even numbered games cannot contain cards that were banned for you in the even games of your match.
  • Your deck in odd numbered games cannot contain cards that were banned for you in the odd games of your match.
  • Mark cards are cards of their respective elements.
  • Maximum amount of upgraded cards is the number of points a player scored during Phases 1 through 3 + bonus points from War and Loyalty



Final Battle Match Rules

Players should contact their opponents using PMs and find a duel time that is suitable for both players. Keep in mind that best-of-nine might take a long time, so you might need up to two hours to finish all the matches.  Players are highly encouraged to post a countdown timer for their duel in the Trials Final Battle Countdown thread at least 24 hours before it happens so that community members will have a chance to observe the battle.

  • Matches are best of 9 - First player to win 5 games wins the match
    • If a defending Master wins, they retain their title as Master of their Element
    • If a Challenger wins, they become the new Master of that Element
  • The winner for each match should post in the TRIAL FINAL BATTLE RESULTS SECTION
    • The post should be titled :[14th Trial of *element*] Winner'sName # - # Loser'sName
    • The loser should post in the thread the winner created
    • DECKS SHOULD BE POSTED ALONG WITH RESULTS
    • Please consider recording the match and making it accessible, there are instructions below. If you can't record, match descriptions are also greatly appreciated
  • In the event of a desync, the players should play it out vs the AI on both sides
    • If the same player wins in both "games", they are considered the winner of that game
    • If the two "games" result in wins for different players, the game is voided, and players may not switch decks before the next game.
  • If it is obvious that a game will never end (e.g. if both players have zero net damage output -- where they can both heal off the damage done each turn easily -- and will never deck out, and both players have no means of breaking the stalemate), that game voided, and players may switch decks prior to the next game.
  • If a desynchronization error is detected and leads to weird circumstances, take screenshots immediately. Then the players should replay the match, unless it was clear who was going to win.
  • In the event an illegal deck is used in any game (whether that game was voided at the time of the match or not) the user of the illegal deck will be given a loss for that game (and their opponent a win).  It is possible this will invalidate subsequent games and/or alter the outcome of that match.
    • If this creates a situation where neither player has 5 wins, additional games must be played to complete the series.
  • Losing access to the game during a match the opponent should have the CPU take over, and they should play vs the CPU. If the opponent wins, the game is a loss for the person who lost connection. If the CPU wins, the game should be replayed with same deck and mark. If the player who lost connection can prove that they'd win despite any series of draws from the opponent (barring AI misplays), they will be awarded the win.



Additional Rules:
  • In the event the Final Battle goes unplayed for an Element:
    • If one player can provide overwhelming evidence of their availability for the match, and the inability or unreliability of their opponent to play the match, that player may be awarded the victory pending consultation between TrOs and available Council members.
    • If both players were active but unable to find an agreeable time or both were inactive or otherwise unwilling or unable to play the match, there will be consultation between the TrOs and available Council members, and it is most likely there will be no Master for that Element until one is victorious in subsequent Trials.



Recording matches: OBS


To play matches:
Time's Up!



AND NOW THE STANDINS *drumroll*

Spoiler for aether:
TheonlyrealBeef
Spoiler for darkness:
shockcannon
Spoiler for earth:
immortal feud
Spoiler for entropy:
PlayerOa
Spoiler for fire:
worldwideweb3
Spoiler for light:
DoubleCapitals
Spoiler for water:
Septima Rhay

They will use 15 upgrades in their decks.
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301807#msg1301807
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2020, 11:31:56 am »
TLDR changes from last year:
 - Each off element card can only be used in one deck
 - One use of :rainbow in the series
 - STANDINs may use 15 upgrades

Please read the rules carefully to make sure you haven't missed anything.
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301808#msg1301808
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2020, 12:03:58 pm »
"Every off-element card can only be used in one deck for the entire series. You may put as many copies of it as you wish, but then, after that game, said card cannot be used by you anymore."

Which means (for example) I can play Aflatoxin only once through the entire match?  :'(


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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301809#msg1301809
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2020, 12:26:12 pm »
"Every off-element card can only be used in one deck for the entire series. You may put as many copies of it as you wish, but then, after that game, said card cannot be used by you anymore."

Which means (for example) I can play Aflatoxin only once through the entire match?  :'(
Correct. You could with the old rules only play it twice anyway, so we figured it's not too limiting.
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301810#msg1301810
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2020, 12:40:23 pm »
I cannot Phase Salvager you twice. :(
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301811#msg1301811
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2020, 01:01:22 pm »
Clarification:

Pillars, pendulums and mark cards of other elements can be freely used. They do not count towards using an element, you can use them more than once, and you can use them even if you don't have any more uses of the respective element.
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301815#msg1301815
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2020, 04:40:54 pm »
Does banning an off-element nymph with one of the two free bans also ban the corresponding off-element alchemy card?
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301816#msg1301816
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2020, 05:57:11 pm »
Does banning an off-element nymph with one of the two free bans also ban the corresponding off-element alchemy card?
Yes.
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301848#msg1301848
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2020, 09:21:35 pm »
I miss this.

"Participants of the Trials of Entropy should only send their ban list to worldwideweb3 & DoubleCapitals."


:)
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301849#msg1301849
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2020, 10:12:38 pm »
I miss this.

"Participants of the Trials of Entropy should only send their ban list to worldwideweb3 & DoubleCapitals."


:)

Same thing for shock not sending PMs to w3
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301850#msg1301850
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2020, 10:27:31 pm »
Forget that, shock would gladly send his banlist to www. :sillyspin:
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Re: 14th Trials - Phase 4: The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67934.msg1301851#msg1301851
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2020, 09:26:30 am »
I miss this.

"Participants of the Trials of Entropy should only send their ban list to worldwideweb3 & DoubleCapitals."


:)
Whoops, good catch, guess you figured it out anyway. Updated rules
War #3 - Life || War #4 - Death || War #5, #6, #7, #9, #13, #14 - Time || War #8, #12 - Air

 

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