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Re: 11th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64311.msg1264522#msg1264522
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2017, 02:01:10 PM »
Do rules prevent two bad players, both of which are worse than a standin player, from playing the final match ? If we want deserving masters, i think the rules should address that issue. Otherwise it is only the ones without a legit challenger and facing a standin that are punished.

ie;
>i join aether trial and duke the final with guest-frog-3945 and get a free mastership
>averagepotato joins life trials and gets LORDOWNER_666 as STANDIN opponent and gets destroyed

How about pitting both finalist against a same standin player first ? And the loser is eliminated, if both win they may go for a bo5 together.

They do. If none worthy gets more than 50 % votes in phase 3, STANDIN plays the person with most points. Though i guess you could have an OP player vs nub
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Re: 11th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64311.msg1264523#msg1264523
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2017, 02:10:31 PM »
They do. If none worthy gets more than 50 % votes in phase 3, STANDIN plays the person with most points. Though i guess you could have an OP player vs nub

Doesn't the voting phase measure popularity instead of merit ? :D
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Re: 11th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64311.msg1264531#msg1264531
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2017, 02:40:33 PM »
They do. If none worthy gets more than 50 % votes in phase 3, STANDIN plays the person with most points. Though i guess you could have an OP player vs nub

Doesn't the voting phase measure popularity instead of merit ? :D
That's absolutely correct, but it doesn't mean that it's a bad measure of merit. It takes a certain amount of disbelief in somebody's abilities to vote 'none worthy,' beyond mere dislike of a person. If over half of the voting community thinks that somebody isn't worthy, they probably aren't.
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Re: 11th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64311.msg1264662#msg1264662
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2017, 08:09:32 AM »
They do. If none worthy gets more than 50 % votes in phase 3, STANDIN plays the person with most points. Though i guess you could have an OP player vs nub

Doesn't the voting phase measure popularity instead of merit ? :D
That's absolutely correct, but it doesn't mean that it's a bad measure of merit. It takes a certain amount of disbelief in somebody's abilities to vote 'none worthy,' beyond mere dislike of a person. If over half of the voting community thinks that somebody isn't worthy, they probably aren't.
Which is not to say that in all cases that none worthy doesn't get a majority vote, the challengers are, so the problem remains. Maybe guest-frog-3945 comes up with a really good meme to become really popular. Mark of Frog, yo!

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Re: 11th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64311.msg1264706#msg1264706
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2017, 10:22:34 AM »
I have a suggestion for next trials regarding phase one:
If a task similar to that of "The Cultured Contender" is going to be in next trials, perhaps expand it to include more artforms, such as sculpture or musical composition, while removing the writing aspect, which I see as little more than an overflow from some of the other challenges. For writers, there was already "The Elements Scribe" and (to some extent) "The Forum Expert".
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