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Who is the most worthy to be the next Master of Water?

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None Worthy
1 (2.4%)

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Voting closed: June 14, 2015, 12:33:47 pm

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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192695#msg1192695
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2015, 11:27:52 am »
But is Trident underused? It might be neglected by new players, but in top level PvP (I'm basing off of WC) Trident decks are quite common if :water is available for the match.

WC actually requires diversity to succeed, because of the high level of play, but a lot of events don't. The latter events are where Trident is used less than I feel it should be, especially leagues, which has very little diversity, and where one player who is definitely not new said in chat the other day that Trident is useless in. Furthermore, a lot of people at all levels of experience still consider Trident to be the worst rare weapon.

I redirect your question to jcj, for the sake of equality: But is Steam Machine underused?

Well, in an open meta it is almost NEVER played. It might occasionally be splashed as one card in a stally rainbow, but doesn't find its way in speedbows, and nobody ever makes a deck focusing on them. This is using it less than its potential, as a strong niche card.
Trident on the other hand is actually really heavy in both BL and CL metas now. I have used Serpentine 7 times in CL so far (it is 3-4, but I have pulled it out against some very bad match ups). And I have faced it in BL about 4 times so far, usually in tears/earth nymph decks (it usually kicks my arse, it's awesome).
It is a great card, and I do understand why you think it is used less than its potential. The same can easily be said of Steam Machine, however.

(Updated my original answer in my answers post with this response)
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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192705#msg1192705
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2015, 03:41:21 pm »
If you could add one card to water, with the stipulation that it must be balanced and must not have a different element in its ability cost (if there is an ability cost at all), what would it be?
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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192709#msg1192709
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 05:39:22 pm »
If you could add one card to water, with the stipulation that it must be balanced and must not have a different element in its ability cost (if there is an ability cost at all), what would it be?

Do you mean turn a card that already exists in the game into a water card, or create a card?
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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192717#msg1192717
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 08:11:21 pm »
If you could add one card to water, with the stipulation that it must be balanced and must not have a different element in its ability cost (if there is an ability cost at all), what would it be?

Do you mean turn a card that already exists in the game into a water card, or create a card?

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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192724#msg1192724
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2015, 10:38:04 pm »
If you could add one card to water, with the stipulation that it must be balanced and must not have a different element in its ability cost (if there is an ability cost at all), what would it be?

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Water would benefit immensely from some sort of PC.

Do you consider NT quanta denial?

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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192758#msg1192758
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2015, 07:40:09 am »
Water would benefit immensely from some sort of PC.

Do you consider NT quanta denial?

It is, potentially, but it's extremely weak and very rarely usable as such. Similarly, Ice Bolt is weak weapon control, although it is actually usable - in a stall, where stopping something like Fahrenheit for a few turns is possible, it can actually be relevant. We also have Trident, which is stronger quanta denial, and in fact we have Tears on a stick in the form of Nymph Queen, so we technically have four PC cards! Amazing yes?

The issue is, while we have decent quanta control, and even a possible form of weapon control, we have no shield control...and that's what we really need. Ice Bolt does bypass shields, but it's often simply not enough

PC itself doesn't need to be the answer, to be fair - oETG, for example, has implemented Waterfall, which is Momentum on a stick. Not only does this help the shield problem, it also helps the weak duo Gravity synergy I've addressed, and would be a fantastic addition.
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Re: 9th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58616.msg1192768#msg1192768
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2015, 10:20:08 am »
Water would benefit immensely from some sort of PC.

Do you consider NT quanta denial?

This to DD or to all of us? :)
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Water would benefit immensely from some sort of PC.

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Answered.
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To all: Why should I vote for you? Why do you think you would be a better Master/General than your competition? Or do you think somebody else would be better for this position?
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