Post by: CCCombobreaker on August 15, 2014, 08:37:55 am
It's time to vote for your favorite Master candidate! Every community member has one vote. You can change your vote at any time as long as there is still time on the clock.
Vote based on who you think would make the best Master of that element. Do not vote based on who is the best player or who you know personally. Try to pick someone who you think would help the community the most as THE representative for their element. If you do not have any preference for who should be Master, or cannot decide between the candidates, please select the "None Worthy" option.
To help you make the best decision possible, feel free to ask the candidates questions. Both challengers and defending Masters ought to answer the questions in this thread to help the voters make the best possible choice. Please put all your answers in a single post (employing spoiler tags is recommended). Also, challengers should include in that post a link to your Phase 1 submission post.
Questions and answers may begin now that this topic is posted.
Voting will begin when the polls are up at the official start of Phase 3.
Phase 3 ends when poll expires.
Post by: vrt on August 15, 2014, 09:15:47 am
If you were Master of air, what's one thing that totally wouldn't fly with you?
Post by: MyNameIsJoey on August 15, 2014, 03:22:22 pm
Do you like/dislike being on a plane/helicopter whatever.
Post by: CCCombobreaker on August 15, 2014, 03:49:49 pm
Just a post to say I'll be away now (with the TrO's permission) until the 26th - I'll miss phase 3, and a little more besides. If you ask me a question in any of the Phase 3 threads (not here!) I'll answer it when I get back. A few answers to some of the more common questions:If Air trials were full would you join the trials of a different element?
No.
Would you General in War?
Yes.
Would you become a Brawl Boss?
No.
Who do you think the better Master would be - you or justaburd?
I'm honestly not sure. I think we'd both do well.
You went missing for three weeks in the middle of trials! (Yes, I know this isn't a question.)
It's the one significant period of inactivity for me the entire year - quite unfortunate timing for me, but much better than in the middle of war.
And that's all you're getting. Cya all later :)
Post by: TribalTrouble on August 15, 2014, 03:51:18 pm
@Justaburd As a bird do you get enough exercise and food with all this time playing video games?
Post by: Kakerlake on August 15, 2014, 05:40:21 pm
Can you calculate about how much of earths atmosphere consists of farts?
Post by: Blacksmith on August 15, 2014, 07:09:48 pm
Who will you vote for in air trials? and on what grounds and why did you make that vote?
Would you ever consider voting for someone else in trials if you thought the other one would become a better master?
Post by: Odii Odsen on August 15, 2014, 08:54:09 pm
@Afdarenty: I know about your love with Air and IMO you play this element pretty good. I know you as a teammate in Team Entropy, you were new to this community/war and since this time I see a new, more experienced Afdarenty. How important was your role as Afdarenty in the last war? Would you lead Air as General?
Very close here. Nearly a tie. But if I have to choose at this moment my vote would go pretty close to Afdarenty. Lets wait for answers.
Post by: Laxadarap on August 15, 2014, 11:02:06 pm
Post by: Rutarete on August 16, 2014, 01:27:06 am
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on August 16, 2014, 09:41:28 am
Just as a reminder, please note this post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trial-of-air/8th-trials-challenger%27s-entrance-55045/msg1150204/#msg1150204) by afdarenty regarding Phase 3.
This makes things interesting... 8)
@Justaburd: Would you lead Team :air during Forum Brawl#4? Yes/no and why?
Post by: justaburd on August 16, 2014, 03:50:13 pm
Air, the element of the gassy stuff all around us. Air has one of the strongest Nymphs in my oppinion, but I've wondered a while now about one thing:Let me try to do this question as much justice as xkcd's whatif would.
Can you calculate about how much of earths atmosphere consists of farts?
A little bit of research suggests that an average human breathes in about 10-20 liters of air per minute across all activities. Of course, you don't fart all the air you breathe in, so let's assume that we fart a percentage of that back out and rest comes out as exhalation. Let's assume that the ratio is 0.1% of all air breathed in. This gives us .01-.02 liters of fart per minute per person. Therefore, for the average person, they'll fart ~7900 liters per year.
Wikianswers tells me that Earth's effective atmosphere is 4.2 billion cubic kilometers of air. That would translate to 4.2*1021 liters of air.
Then we have to worry about our population. Let's just play with nice round numbers. In other words, billions. Wiki tells me that the world population hit 1 billion around 1804, then 2 around 1927, 3 in 1959, 4 in 1974, 5 in 1987, 6 in 1999, and 7 in 2012. For each billion people, we get 7.9 trillion liters of air per year.
This brings us to the next point: It's not possible that only unfarted air gets farted. Of course, as the amount of farted air increases, the chance that someone has breathed it in (and refarted it) increases. Therefore we need to consider the ratio of farted air to unfarted air:
percent of newly farted air=(7.9 trillion liters*(1-%farted from last year)/total air)
Therefore, we have the model for checking out farted air:
% farted total=(7.9 trillion liters*(1-%farted from last year)/totalair)+%farted from last year
I.E.
Xt+1=(7.9*1012*(1-Xt)/(4.2*1021))+Xt
I'd calculate it for you but I'm bad with wolfram alpha.
Let's estimate it instead.
The total number of billions of people we need to calculate for is (1927-1804)*1+(1959-1927)*2+(1974-1959)*3+(1987-1974)*4+(1999-1987)*5+(2012-1999)*6+(2014-2012)*7. This is 436.
(436*7.9 trillion)/4.2 sextillion~0.8*10-6. Let's say it's 1*10-6 or .0001% of our atmosphere being farts. I guess unstable gas isn't all that common.
Post by: justaburd on August 16, 2014, 04:13:31 pm
Dear canyouevendates,Gargoyles. They're ugly. Please don't make me imagine it.
If you were Master of air, what's one thing that totally wouldn't fly with you?
Post by: CuCN on August 16, 2014, 04:17:30 pm
Who said only human farts count?
Post by: serprex on August 16, 2014, 04:19:36 pm
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[16:13:18] ‹serprex› @justa Kaker didn't specify human farts
[16:14:35] ‹justaburd› true, but I doubt I'd find statistics for non human farts to calculate from
Post by: Jen-i on August 16, 2014, 06:27:58 pm
Quote[16:13:18] ‹serprex› @justa Kaker didn't specify human farts
[16:14:35] ‹justaburd› true, but I doubt I'd find statistics for non human farts to calculate from
go find cow statistics and extrapolate
that actually might be disturbing
use this article (http://gizmodo.com/do-cow-farts-actually-contribute-to-global-warming-1562144730) as a reference
Post by: Rutarete on August 16, 2014, 08:02:29 pm
D:Dear canyouevendates,Gargoyles. They're ugly. Please don't make me imagine it.
If you were Master of air, what's one thing that totally wouldn't fly with you?
Post by: Kakerlake on August 16, 2014, 11:07:42 pm
Let me try to do this question as much justice as xkcd's whatif would.an interesting theory. but i wonder how you came to the conclusion that the farted air depends on the air breathed in. last time my biology teacher said something about lungs, it didn't look like they were connected to the fart hole. but i could be wrong :-X
A little bit of research suggests that an average human breathes in about 10-20 liters of air per minute across all activities. Of course, you don't fart all the air you breathe in, so let's assume that we fart a percentage of that back out and rest comes out as exhalation. Let's assume that the ratio is 0.1% of all air breathed in. This gives us .01-.02 liters of fart per minute per person. Therefore, for the average person, they'll fart ~7900 liters per year.
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also, it seems like quite a lot to think each person farts 1-2 decilitre every 10 minutes. even when having eaten something that doesn't agree too well with my stomach, i don't think i'd be even close to that ammount. guess it would be closer to 1 litre per day, but in the end, this only makes your result differ in a factor of ~10.
the thing about refarting sounds also intriguing, didn't think of that. but what you didn't include there was that air can even be tripple refarted. and quadruple... i wonder how often air can be refarted, before it turns into dark matter. but overall, this shouldn't really make any difference as per your calculation, the total farted air is a very low percentage of the total air.
and yeah, i agree with the others, including animals other than humans would be interesting. but then again, i don't think they'd give a difference of more than a factor of 10. so in the end we're probably again at about the same spot where your calculation arrived.
so thanks for the calculation, was interesting to read.
my mind is now pressing for more questions though:
assuming 0.0001% of earths atmosphere are farts, how much farts does one breathe in during a lifetime? and according to that, how many kilos of actual shit is that? ... that is a very disturbing thought ?_?
Post by: justaburd on August 17, 2014, 01:16:06 am
Let me try to do this question as much justice as xkcd's whatif would.an interesting theory. but i wonder how you came to the conclusion that the farted air depends on the air breathed in. last time my biology teacher said something about lungs, it didn't look like they were connected to the fart hole. but i could be wrong :-X
A little bit of research suggests that an average human breathes in about 10-20 liters of air per minute across all activities. Of course, you don't fart all the air you breathe in, so let's assume that we fart a percentage of that back out and rest comes out as exhalation. Let's assume that the ratio is 0.1% of all air breathed in. This gives us .01-.02 liters of fart per minute per person. Therefore, for the average person, they'll fart ~7900 liters per year.
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also, it seems like quite a lot to think each person farts 1-2 decilitre every 10 minutes. even when having eaten something that doesn't agree too well with my stomach, i don't think i'd be even close to that ammount. guess it would be closer to 1 litre per day, but in the end, this only makes your result differ in a factor of ~10.
the thing about refarting sounds also intriguing, didn't think of that. but what you didn't include there was that air can even be tripple refarted. and quadruple... i wonder how often air can be refarted, before it turns into dark matter. but overall, this shouldn't really make any difference as per your calculation, the total farted air is a very low percentage of the total air.
and yeah, i agree with the others, including animals other than humans would be interesting. but then again, i don't think they'd give a difference of more than a factor of 10. so in the end we're probably again at about the same spot where your calculation arrived.
so thanks for the calculation, was interesting to read.
my mind is now pressing for more questions though:
assuming 0.0001% of earths atmosphere are farts, how much farts does one breathe in during a lifetime? and according to that, how many kilos of actual shit is that? ... that is a very disturbing thought ?_?
because lulz. :P
also because I needed some measure to estimate against when I was doing the initial calculations. I could see how much gets breathed. Compare that to how often you fart and you might get a close enough approximation.
And I agree with the factor of 10. There's only so many creatures on Earth, after all.
Post by: hainkarga on August 17, 2014, 01:27:03 am
Post by: justaburd on August 17, 2014, 01:58:39 am
These posts infuriate me. Convince me into hating you less than the other.Hate me, hate me now. Hate me forever.
Post by: TribalTrouble on August 17, 2014, 01:59:18 am
These posts infuriate me. Convince me into hating you less than the other.Agreed. I didn't even get an answer… :'(
Post by: Jenkar on August 17, 2014, 12:08:59 pm
Post by: Zawadx on August 17, 2014, 02:51:31 pm
Post by: Espithel on August 17, 2014, 05:37:20 pm
Shard of Freedom is a card I love and hate at the same time. I often give it the name SouFflé.
I think it's a stupidly broken card, but it's just so fun to use it and see what you can do with it.
What is the most creative deck you've ever made using SouFlé?
Can you think of a really fun deck revolving around SouFflé?
Practicality isn't needed.
Post by: TribalTrouble on August 17, 2014, 05:46:20 pm
Are you active enough to be general this war? What's been taking you so long to answer these questions?
Post by: Blacksmith on August 17, 2014, 06:23:30 pm
Dear Afdarenty,
Are you active enough to be general this war? What's been taking you so long to answer these questions?
Just a post to say I'll be away now (with the TrO's permission) until the 26th - I'll miss phase 3, and a little more besides. If you ask me a question in any of the Phase 3 threads (not here!) I'll answer it when I get back. A few answers to some of the more common questions:If Air trials were full would you join the trials of a different element?
No.
Would you General in War?
Yes.
Would you become a Brawl Boss?
No.
Who do you think the better Master would be - you or justaburd?
I'm honestly not sure. I think we'd both do well.
You went missing for three weeks in the middle of trials! (Yes, I know this isn't a question.)
It's the one significant period of inactivity for me the entire year - quite unfortunate timing for me, but much better than in the middle of war.
And that's all you're getting. Cya all later :)
I think this answers your question^
Post by: Submachine on August 17, 2014, 08:08:47 pm
Until I get a more sensible question, here is a technical one:
Which air spell do you think is the least useful if you can't choose Sky Blitz? Explain your choice!
Post by: justaburd on August 17, 2014, 10:15:43 pm
Post by: TribalTrouble on August 18, 2014, 10:49:30 am
To all questions: chirp chirp trill chirrup chirp chirp.How do you expect to communicate with your team this war when you do so much chirping that they may not understand as they are not masters of chirping, trilling, nor chirruping?
Post by: farscape on August 18, 2014, 01:41:26 pm
If I apply to participate in War, would you bid on me, and max how many cards ? :-*
Post by: Zawadx on August 18, 2014, 02:42:25 pm
Post by: Submachine on August 18, 2014, 07:49:19 pm
justa, please put all your answers into a single post for better reading, thank you. It would save people the trouble of having to go through the entire thread for answers.He did. Here it is: :P
To all questions: chirp chirp trill chirrup chirp chirp.
After asking justaburd in chat, he directly refused to answer any questions, just because he has no active competition. That is something I despise, so I voted for Afdarenty, who despite being AFK in the whole Phase 3, he answered 3 questions in anticipation and I know him well enough to answer all question when he comes back even after Phase 3 ended.
Post by: TribalTrouble on August 18, 2014, 08:59:30 pm
Agreed. Voted for Afdarenty as well. He's a fun gun and makes very creative decks. In addition, he doesn't just make pot sounds whenever you try to talk to him. Instead, he makes MPots sounds which are the most interesting, odd, quirky, and weird sounds I've ever heard.justa, please put all your answers into a single post for better reading, thank you. It would save people the trouble of having to go through the entire thread for answers.He did. Here it is: :PTo all questions: chirp chirp trill chirrup chirp chirp.
After asking justaburd in chat, he directly refused to answer any questions, just because he has no active competition. That is something I despise, so I voted for Afdarenty, who despite being AFK in the whole Phase 3, he answered 3 questions in anticipation and I know him well enough to answer all question when he comes back even after Phase 3 ended.
This is how you campaign on someone's behalf right? Like, am I doing that right?
Post by: vrt on August 20, 2014, 05:14:36 am
justa, please put all your answers into a single post for better reading, thank you. It would save people the trouble of having to go through the entire thread for answers.
God forbid people read threads ::)
Post by: justaburd on August 20, 2014, 04:23:07 pm
Post by: Submachine on August 20, 2014, 04:30:30 pm
I told sub that I would answer any trials question people really want answered after phase 3 ended, so if you want me to answer it, lemme know.^ True. Already answered mine in chat.
Post by: Afdarenty on August 26, 2014, 10:19:33 pm
Dear canyouevendates,
If you were Master of air, what's one thing that totally wouldn't fly with you?
A pig. Whoever heard of a flying pig? :P
to all candidatesCan't say I've ever been on a helicopter. Planes are fun, though, everything looks cooler from a birds eye view.
Do you like/dislike being on a plane/helicopter whatever.
@Afdarenty Why did you choose to take on the trial of air?Ever since Budokan Air has been my favourite element. The decks I like to play most are control decks - with all the CC Air has it's a good match for me.
Air, the element of the gassy stuff all around us. Air has one of the strongest Nymphs in my oppinion, but I've wondered a while now about one thing:Short answer: No.
Can you calculate about how much of earths atmosphere consists of farts?
Long answer: Coming later. Too tired for serious thinking right now.
To both candidates.Well, I didn't have the chance to vote. Even if I did have the chance I don't think I'd have voted anyway. I said earlier that I'm not sure who would make the better master, and voting on me just to give myself a better chance in the final battle would feel like points I haven't earned.
Who will you vote for in air trials? and on what grounds and why did you make that vote?
Would you ever consider voting for someone else in trials if you thought the other one would become a better master?
If I thought there was a better choice than me in the poll then yes, I'd vote for them.
@Afdarenty: I know about your love with Air and IMO you play this element pretty good. I know you as a teammate in Team Entropy, you were new to this community/war and since this time I see a new, more experienced Afdarenty. How important was your role as Afdarenty in the last war? Would you lead Air as General?Thanks :)
I felt like a key player last war - I did a good job at predicting opponents, a large amount of vault work, more testing than anyone else, and I was involved in every deck discussion. In terms of deck building I had some original ideas, though they were in the form of different builds of existing concepts (e.g. our discquake bow, though I have a nasty feeling someone will tell me it has been done before) and not entirely new decks. Having people (especially Blacksmith) to bounce ideas off of helped me a ton. On the negative side I missed a couple rules which resulted in two penalties, and I had a habit of going off on a tangent which I'm sure was a little annoying - starting a conversation about the Water match up while other people were busy talking about Life, for example. There are definitely things that I'll be doing differently next war.
Yes, I'd lead Air as General.
Realistically, do you think you can topple aether? Whats so new/not new this time (more important part)?Yes, I think Aether are beatable. A different general helps, and I feel as though people know more about what to expect from them this war than in previous wars.
What mythical or non-mythical creature would you like to add to Air (or the game)?
From Phase 1:
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What makes Air, in elements, stand out for you?It's taking me far, far too much time to answer this question so I'll be fairly blunt. A pair of incredible shields, excellent CC (Shockwave, Thunderstorm, and particularly OE), and a diverse range of damage sources (UG, one of the best dragons, Nymphs, Damsels, and OE again). I always feel as though I can do a better job of controlling my opponents decks than they can do of controlling mine. I just have more fun playing Air than I do with other elements.
Have you ever desired to fly? What would you do if you had the gift of flight? How do you imagine human flight would be?Yes - I think everyone has,
Everything I do now, and flying :P
I really like the description of flying in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, so I'll go with that. If you haven't read those you should.
Dear all air triallists:
Shard of Freedom is a card I love and hate at the same time. I often give it the name SouFflé.
I think it's a stupidly broken card, but it's just so fun to use it and see what you can do with it.
What is the most creative deck you've ever made using SouFlé?
Can you think of a really fun deck revolving around SouFflé?
Practicality isn't needed.
That'd be my answer to both questions.
To both candidates:It's like asking me to choose between my children, but if forced I guess I'll go with thunderstorm (I'm not at all sure it's the best choice xD). A few Shockwaves are nice to splash in any deck and flying weapon opens up a load of decks that you otherwise wouldn't have.
Until I get a more sensible question, here is a technical one:
Which air spell do you think is the least useful if you can't choose Sky Blitz? Explain your choice!
Question to all candidates (challengers and old master too):Honestly? Probably not. I don't know you at all, so it'd be a big risk for me to bid on you.
If I apply to participate in War, would you bid on me, and max how many cards ? :-*