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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg461145#msg461145
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2012, 02:32:54 am »
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Unstable Gas has two true hard counters:  Jade Shield and Mirror Shield.  Many players have a problem with this fact and insist that these cards should not have this kind of power because it makes the duel one-sided and unfair.

Q:  Imagine for a moment that every single card in existence had no hard counter that corresponded to it.  What would happen to the metagame?  Would there even be a metagame?  If hard counters did not exist, do you believe that some of the weaker PvP Elements would rise up due to a more balanced PvP environment?
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg461261#msg461261
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2012, 11:34:21 am »
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Unstable Gas has two true hard counters:  Jade Shield and Mirror Shield.  Many players have a problem with this fact and insist that these cards should not have this kind of power because it makes the duel one-sided and unfair.

Q:  Imagine for a moment that every single card in existence had no hard counter that corresponded to it.  What would happen to the metagame?  Would there even be a metagame?  If hard counters did not exist, do you believe that some of the weaker PvP Elements would rise up due to a more balanced PvP environment?
Prework - i suppose that by hard counter, you mean a card that totally removes a card's usefulness. If not, please state your view of what a hard counter is.
Actually, Unstable Gas also is also hard countered by (instant) PC.
In my opinion, the metagame would shift towards cards whose power is only restrained by the existence of hard counters. Permanents, in particular, would receive a very big boost with the elimination of the hard counters that explosion and steal were (a smaller boost to creatures with removal of instant elimination CC (shockwave for example)). In my opinion, upped pvp will gear even more towards the use of DBH bows, who would ruin mainly everything due to sanc being removed by being a hard counter to black-hole, nightmare & silence. Unupped-wise, i think the metagame would first increase the proportion of rushes (most important of which would be mono-death, imo), which would be followed by an increase of the use of It's a trap & ghostmares, with at the stable state a fair amount of discord-semirushes.

I do not believe such an action would be beneficial to elements (the game) nor to weaker elements in the current state of the game.
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg461277#msg461277
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2012, 01:50:03 pm »
Your understanding is mostly correct.  However, I will clarify one thing.
Actually, Unstable Gas also is also hard countered by (instant) PC.
I did not include instant PC as a "true" hard counter due to the possibility of them being used on a different permanent during the duel, thus leaving UG still able to explode unhindered.  In the case of my question itself though, I'm not asking about true hard counters, but rather cards which send another card into a state of no return.
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg461343#msg461343
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2012, 05:49:32 pm »
All questions have been answered. Feel free to see my responses HERE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36640.msg492216#msg492216).
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg462443#msg462443
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2012, 11:27:59 pm »
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg462637#msg462637
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2012, 10:40:28 am »
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Way, way, way too strained on quanta. I'd focus on either part of the deck : dragonflytal (which imo is very weak unupped), or PU dragon.

Upped, your deck would probably be better, though most certainly still very strained on quanta.

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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg462654#msg462654
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2012, 01:16:50 pm »
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Way, way, way too strained on quanta. I'd focus on either part of the deck : dragonflytal (which imo is very weak unupped), or PU dragon.

Upped, your deck would probably be better, though most certainly still very strained on quanta.

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Ok, i probably should ahve stated my main idea. It was to take a dragon, blitz it , then PU it, then re-blitz it, then re-PU it, etc. You are right that it misses quanta. ( The idea could be made with wyrms instead of dragons too, considering that you can dive + blitz + PU)
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg462694#msg462694
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2012, 03:39:49 pm »
...Sky blitz drains all quanta -> you can't multiblitz.
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg462706#msg462706
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2012, 04:20:02 pm »
...Sky blitz drains all quanta -> you can't multiblitz.
Actually, upped you can.

He meant do it with a turn in between each.

I don't think that oncept is feasible without fattening the deck a lot.
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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg462987#msg462987
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2012, 04:26:06 am »
All questions answered thus far. Thank you to all those who posted questions. ^_^


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Re: 5th Trials - Phase 3 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36640.msg463044#msg463044
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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2012, 07:11:27 am »
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