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TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel: 1-5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg268562#msg268562
« on: February 11, 2011, 02:19:01 am »
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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg268809#msg268809
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 04:04:53 pm »
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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg269071#msg269071
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 01:15:31 am »
I look forward to this match.  Even though Xinef is badly out-gunned, he's got the creative deck-building chops to pull a win still.  Good luck to both of you.

Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg269132#msg269132
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 02:52:33 am »
i might not be the best for this, seeing as how i don't use time that often, but here goes
xine's bans
SoG: duh...
discord: time is one of those elements that can't really go rainbow...
graboid: much more effective at dealing damage than anything else time can use (dune scorps might beat over a period of time, no pun intended)
deflag: eternity (and other permanents such as hourglass) is one of time's greatest strengths, so PC bans are to be expected
steal: see above, and you never want to give your opponent an eternity if his deck doesn't use any...
phase shield: time has nothing to go through that shield, and it's a game changer most of the time (again, no pun intended)

spike's bans
deflag: see deflag
steal: see steal
EQ: time/earth duos are very good, with rewinds, EQs, and graboids, this eliminates at least EQ part of the threat
BE: this is an interesting ban imo, since he can use rewinds and/or eternities to shut BE down
phase shield: see phase shield
purify: dune scorps coming right up

I see dune scorpion and dragon decks being the two most popular ones, they might use something creative too (like deja vu+buffs, that sort of thing, won't surprise me if one of them uses eternity+deja vus to create a ton of creatures, and then use luciferase and hope shield)

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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg269638#msg269638
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 10:43:12 pm »
i might not be the best for this, seeing as how i don't use time that often, but here goes
xine's bans
SoG: duh...
discord: time is one of those elements that can't really go rainbow...
graboid: much more effective at dealing damage than anything else time can use (dune scorps might beat over a period of time, no pun intended)
deflag: eternity (and other permanents such as hourglass) is one of time's greatest strengths, so PC bans are to be expected
steal: see above, and you never want to give your opponent an eternity if his deck doesn't use any...
phase shield: time has nothing to go through that shield, and it's a game changer most of the time (again, no pun intended)
I'm not sure what you mean when you say Time can't go rainbow. Timebows are quite good and it isn't hard to make a 50% Time timebow. The major problem with discords is that you don't want to go rainbow all the Time, just in case opponent takes discords. And Time has many really expensive cards (Pharaohs, Eternity, Hourglass, Anubis, Devonian). That's the problem, not going rainbow.

(all puns intended)

In general, I planned to weaken all of the synergies Time has (thus eg. I banned graboid instead of banning both graboid and EQ)... well, that was impossible, since there are great :gravity, :death, :life and :light decks that aren't weakened by my bans, but at least the ones best in Time vs. Time are weakened. The best :time :air decks (flying Eternities + Wings) aren't really a threat in Time vs. Time (although it might be possible to make a Blitz based deck too), while :time :water is probably the only field I'm yet to see some ingenious decks in (maybe nymph tears - golden nymph spam or some kind of permafrost time stall?).

Anyway, I banned SoG only because Spike seems to use mostly rushes with a bit of control/stall, so I wouldn't expect too many SoG/stall decks from him. Thus, I banned SoG to prevent being surprised by one of these :P
Anyway, possibly the fact that I banned SoG, while he didn't might even our chances a little bit, but honestly, I mostly hope for an epic battle, rather than victory.
May the force of the D4HK side be with U ^_^
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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg269775#msg269775
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 02:35:57 am »
sry if i caused confusion, I meant rainbow as in "even" rainbow, in other words, the quanta spent for each element is about the same (where discord has the least effect), time can't quite do that, especially with the 50% rule

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 08:22:57 pm »

:time final is postponed...

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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg270256#msg270256
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 08:38:58 pm »
:time final is postponed...

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I'm suffering from a headache right now, so Spike agreed to postpone the duel until tomorrow, also 22 GMT.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 09:09:39 pm »
:time final is postponed...

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I'm suffering from a headache right now, so Spike agreed to postpone the duel until tomorrow, also 22 GMT.

For the truth, Xinef and I decided to play the final for the most important element as a "Grand Finale" of these Trials...

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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg270306#msg270306
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 10:05:08 pm »
For the truth, Xinef and I decided to play the final for the most important element as a "Grand Finale" of these Trials...

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Thanks for informing me, otherwise I wouldn't know that it was my idea.
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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg270892#msg270892
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 09:52:00 pm »
Ideas like that go through :time itself. =P

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Re: TIME TRIAL FINAL - Xinef vs. SpikeSpiegel: 1-5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21035.msg270946#msg270946
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2011, 10:54:54 pm »
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