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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg383856#msg383856
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2011, 02:23:39 pm »
I've never seen the card fog [/nitpicky]
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg383873#msg383873
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2011, 03:03:30 pm »
deuce, pika definitely knows what he's doing. I really doubt he would make a ban that gives him a "significant disadvantage". Fractal is a very strong card, and pika made a good choice.
Bans are a two way street.  The Fractal ban was a good choice, but not banning Dim Shield looks bad only when you see the bans Higs made.  Higs took a chance with her bans that pika wouldn't ban Dim Shield, and him it over the fences as a result.  If pika had banned it her bans would look significantly weaker as a result.  I mean Unstable Gas, for example, is an extremely weak ban unless Dim Shields aren't banned.  Really pika didn't make bad ban choices.  Higs just took a chance with her bans and hit the jackpot as a result.
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg383957#msg383957
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2011, 08:33:20 pm »
deuce, pika definitely knows what he's doing. I really doubt he would make a ban that gives him a "significant disadvantage". Fractal is a very strong card, and pika made a good choice.
Bans are a two way street.  The Fractal ban was a good choice, but not banning Dim Shield looks bad only when you see the bans Higs made.  Higs took a chance with her bans that pika wouldn't ban Dim Shield, and him it over the fences as a result.  If pika had banned it her bans would look significantly weaker as a result.  I mean Unstable Gas, for example, is an extremely weak ban unless Dim Shields aren't banned.  Really pika didn't make bad ban choices.  Higs just took a chance with her bans and hit the jackpot as a result.
Yeah. Higs does know that pika know she likes her flaming chickens to go with Fractal. Good ban choices for both players, but Higs took a chance and it will pay off.
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg383960#msg383960
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2011, 08:37:28 pm »
deuce, pika definitely knows what he's doing. I really doubt he would make a ban that gives him a "significant disadvantage". Fractal is a very strong card, and pika made a good choice.
Bans are a two way street.  The Fractal ban was a good choice, but not banning Dim Shield looks bad only when you see the bans Higs made.  Higs took a chance with her bans that pika wouldn't ban Dim Shield, and him it over the fences as a result.  If pika had banned it her bans would look significantly weaker as a result.  I mean Unstable Gas, for example, is an extremely weak ban unless Dim Shields aren't banned.  Really pika didn't make bad ban choices.  Higs just took a chance with her bans and hit the jackpot as a result.
I think TStar pretty much hit on what I was trying to get at. I'm not suggesting Fractal is a bad card to ban because Higs likes to say how OP it is. However, in this context, I think Dim Shield > Fractal. Pika definitely has multiple options to bypass dim shield over the course of 9 matches. The only question is whether or not his decks will be able to win fast enough because he has no dims to stall with.

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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg383961#msg383961
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2011, 08:43:43 pm »
There are multiple options to bypass dimshield but i dont think there are enough to win 5 games.
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg384226#msg384226
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2011, 04:24:28 pm »
Heyguys. RR here from phone. Can anyone post my bans, and also Tiko's in text form in the thread. thanks a lot?
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg384229#msg384229
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2011, 04:28:01 pm »
   
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg384231#msg384231
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg384259#msg384259
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2011, 06:13:35 pm »
I mean Unstable Gas, for example, is an extremely weak ban unless Dim Shields aren't banned.
It's even a meh ban in this format, but so is everything else I had left to choose from. x)
Blitz and different Bolts were options, as was Sanc or Miracle (even Pulvy was), but Fractal Elite Fireflies with UG's is a lot more dangerous than most of those and a little bit more dangerous than some. So eh, it's just a small plus.

Even without the best PC banned, Dim Shield was bound to dominate the metagame during this Final Battle as it does during a lot of heavily restricted battles Aether takes place in, and pika activated my trap card just like last Trials. On the plus side, I can guarantee he has more time to build decks since I'm both moving and starting a new school.
As such, I look forward to seeing his weird stuff.
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Re: 4th Trials - Phase 4 - The Final Battle https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29919.msg384287#msg384287
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2011, 07:11:12 pm »
Yes, much thanks, Onizuka.

Posting the bans here just slipped my mind somehow. Sorry.
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