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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199832#msg1199832
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2015, 12:19:39 AM »
You changed the rules but didn't notify? :(

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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199833#msg1199833
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2015, 12:24:54 AM »
Which rule was modified? To my knowledge, no changes have been made since this thread was posted.

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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199855#msg1199855
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2015, 01:02:53 PM »
I forfeit.

Rules were changed after they were posted. As a result, I played based on original rules and Root played based on most updated rules resulting in me playing 2 illegal games (1 won, 1 lost).

Would have been nice to have been notified of the rule change.

Grats Root

I believe this should be clarified by you Deuce... I wouldn't want Root to have the title with unclear stuff.  Could you have misread the rules?  Did Physsion changed anything and he forgot he did?  Or could someone else have edited his post?  Even then  it seems the score would be 5-3 instead of 4-4 and not over since Root needs 6 wins.... and and I know that you can pull that off Deuce!!  Though I am torn as you are 2 of my favorite people here and I am thrilled with whoever wins!

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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199864#msg1199864
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2015, 02:25:19 PM »
1 of 2 scenarios happened:

A. Rules were edited after they were posted (this seems unlikely)

or B. I somehow misinterpreted the rules (while this would be a first for me, this seems more likely)


Now that I understand the rules as they are written, I think they are terrible, and I would have lobbied for significant change or just conceded.

Regardless, I submitted decks based on a different understanding of rules. There are decks that I would not have fielded had I understood the rules as they were written/intended.

Replaying the "voided" games would be a waste of time as Root would eventually win because his decks are made based on the rules and the decks I used, while mine obviously were not. Also, I don't think this would be fair to Root, even if he was virtually guaranteed a victory.

Replaying the entire battle would also not be fair to Root, and frankly I have lost all interest.

Again, I concede, Root is GM and it is well-deserved even if it wasn't earned the way he may have wanted.

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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199873#msg1199873
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2015, 03:10:29 PM »
I'll give a full explanation of what happened, to those who think a replay would be feasible.

G1 - Won with Phoenix NM against Fractal Chargers.
G2 - Lost with Rage Angels against Fractal Retros
G3 - Won with Grabbow against Sanctuary Stall
G4 - Won with Rage Angels against Light Stall

From deuce's perspective, the Light Stall was a weak choice in hindsight, but it wouldn't cost him the match, because he wouldn't have to play it again.
From my perspective, I simply needed to beat his Light Stall with all four of my remaining decks, and I'd win the match.

Thus, I built 3 Firestalls (with Reflective) and 1 Fractix (with 4 Deflags) to hard counter deuce's Light Stall. Unless he had Fractal+Dragons in his sideboard, it was nearly impossible for deuce's Light Stall to win against these 4 decks. Even if I lost the next 5 games against his other decks, all I had to do was to not let his Light Stall beat me. That is the nature of Conquest. If you have a single deck that cannot win a game, then you lose the entire match.

Which meant that playing a Light Stall was incredibly risky. Even though it's a good deck, it's easy to hard counter, which is what you have to avoid if your opponent still has most of their decks unrevealed. If deuce had known the rules from the start, he wouldn't have played the Light Stall at all, and I wouldn't have built 4 counters to it in response. deuce's strategy would have been drastically different if he had known the rules, and my strategy would have been drastically different in response. Thus, there's no simple solution to this. Even if the match was replayed from 0-0, we would know what sorts of decks our opponent has prepared, which would kill the fun. The only solution I can think of would be to replay the match at 0-0 with drastically different rules, and neither of us want that.

I suppose the moral of the story is to double-check the rules, and don't use the Conquest format if players don't have to submit all of their decks before the first game.
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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199874#msg1199874
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Wait, you guys didn't had to submit the decks beforehand?
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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199875#msg1199875
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2015, 03:42:57 PM »
Wait, you guys didn't had to submit the decks beforehand?
It's in the rules...very early on in the rules...
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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199883#msg1199883
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Congratulations RootRanger.

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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199896#msg1199896
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2015, 05:50:22 PM »
So basically, trailing behind becomes a huge advantage in this if you have some deckbuilding skills... so yeah the setting of the rules sucks.... that said GRATS to ROOT!!

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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199907#msg1199907
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2015, 12:22:34 AM »
Sad thing to see a grand master duels after a long time in this way, but I'll wait the Wm's confirm Root, then I can congratulate
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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199910#msg1199910
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2015, 12:54:13 AM »
RootRanger is the next grandmaster.

This system was designed to provide a challenge for the two best players in the game. Sorry if it turned out to be hard to read/bad. I agree that allowing players to send in decks just before matches was way too much flexibility. But was the conquest format inherently wrong? I had suggested it to provide a challenge to both players, but I guess it's too volatile?
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Re: Grandmaster Battle - Rules http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58922.msg1199926#msg1199926
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2015, 06:07:01 AM »
Gratz Root, now master of fire is again grand master and you finishing all quests. 8)
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