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What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196250#msg1196250
« on: July 09, 2015, 11:52:07 pm »
Let's begin this discussion about our beloved element:

What element does Time work best against?

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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196252#msg1196252
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 11:58:25 pm »
Hrm, well first, let's analyze Time as a whole. One of times major claims to fame is Reverse Time, or Eternity. They rewind a creature off the field and back into the owner's hand, removing all buffs/cc/etc. So, I would think that it works best against an element that buffs it's creatures. Life maybe?

As for the element it works worst against, take note that a stand-alone Mono Time has 0 PC. Then, we take a look at a card like... Dimensional Shield. Time has no way to get past that, and is going to get stomped on. Aditionally, Aether also has immaterial creatures, so you can't exactly RT those either. I'd vote on Aether.

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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196253#msg1196253
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2015, 12:04:54 am »
Well, if we're considering Monos, then:
Let's begin this discussion about our beloved element:

What element does Time work best against? Light

What element does Time work worst against? Aether

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I suspect there are many elements that would be Light/Aether in this same order though. :)
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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196255#msg1196255
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2015, 01:02:55 am »
Time crushes gravity. What's similar between gravity cards? They're expensive. They work best in combination with buffs. Their own stats increase with time. Reverse time and Eternity completely and utterly destroy most gravity based decks. Gravity's best counters, frac'ing Mercs or chargers, are also destroyed by GotP decks.

And I'll agree with everyone else in that Aether is supertough against time. The aforementioned cards are useless against aether, except maybe GotP, but since aether tends to hold cards (Tbolt, Shield) they can easily outplay ghosts. With no PC, they can't stop the ever present dimshield. Their various CC cards are useless. Procrastination is a good shield against immortal creatures, but SoW/Psions overcome that.
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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196264#msg1196264
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2015, 04:55:43 am »
Eternity alone trashes quite a few decks.  Gravity, as mentioned, and life as well.  It does pretty darned good against any PCless deck that relies on creatures.   (well, a bit of Captain Obvious, but yeah...)   Death, light, water, air, and earth can really suffer if they don't happen to be playing a direct counter to eternity.

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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196269#msg1196269
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2015, 06:27:36 am »
The only stand alone cards in this element that work well in a mono :time deck are Hourglass, Procrastination, Reverse Time, Precognition, its Dragon and Pharao. All of the other cards require the presence of other elements in the deck to work properly as they are meant to be. For instance Anubis needs :aether to activate his special skill, Sundial becomes more effective with :light, GotP is designed to work with :darkness (Nightmare) although it's a decent creature by itself, Dune Scorpion is useless without buffs and so on... therefore I consider time as a support element, meant to work in a multi-element deck.

As a mono, Time is not particularly strong, at the contrary of other elements like Aether, Darkness or Life, thus it's hard to tell against which it works well. As the others have wrote already, Time's nemesis seems to be Aether, but beside that it supports well any strategy against any other element. By standing alone its only real strength is the stalling power given by Eternity, Sundial, Reverse Time and Procrastination.

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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196274#msg1196274
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2015, 08:25:27 am »
The only stand alone cards in this element that work well in a mono :time deck are Hourglass, Procrastination, Reverse Time, Precognition, its Dragon and Pharao. All of the other cards require the presence of other elements in the deck to work properly as they are meant to be. For instance Anubis needs :aether to activate his special skill, Sundial becomes more effective with :light, GotP is designed to work with :darkness (Nightmare) although it's a decent creature by itself, Dune Scorpion is useless without buffs and so on... therefore I consider time as a support element, meant to work in a multi-element deck.

As a mono, Time is not particularly strong, at the contrary of other elements like Aether, Darkness or Life, thus it's hard to tell against which it works well. As the others have wrote already, Time's nemesis seems to be Aether, but beside that it supports well any strategy against any other element. By standing alone its only real strength is the stalling power given by Eternity, Sundial, Reverse Time and Procrastination.

That's my opinion. Does the Master of Time agrees with me?  :)

You seem to forget that Time's fame to claim also includes increased drawpower, which in its uniqueness and massive card advantage givingness (whoo grammar) is considerably more notable than Time's stalling power.

Also, you forgot Deja Vu for mono Time, although GotP should also be on that list. It wasn't made to work well with Nightmare, that's just a combo that happened to make an appearance after Zanz tweaked the Minotaur idea in the CIA.
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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196276#msg1196276
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2015, 09:04:53 am »
The only stand alone cards in this element that work well in a mono :time deck are Hourglass, Procrastination, Reverse Time, Precognition, its Dragon and Pharao. All of the other cards require the presence of other elements in the deck to work properly as they are meant to be. For instance Anubis needs :aether to activate his special skill, Sundial becomes more effective with :light, GotP is designed to work with :darkness (Nightmare) although it's a decent creature by itself, Dune Scorpion is useless without buffs and so on... therefore I consider time as a support element, meant to work in a multi-element deck.

As a mono, Time is not particularly strong, at the contrary of other elements like Aether, Darkness or Life, thus it's hard to tell against which it works well. As the others have wrote already, Time's nemesis seems to be Aether, but beside that it supports well any strategy against any other element. By standing alone its only real strength is the stalling power given by Eternity, Sundial, Reverse Time and Procrastination.

That's my opinion. Does the Master of Time agrees with me?  :)

You seem to forget that Time's fame to claim also includes increased drawpower, which in its uniqueness and massive card advantage givingness (whoo grammar) is considerably more notable than Time's stalling power.

Also, you forgot Deja Vu for mono Time, although GotP should also be on that list. It wasn't made to work well with Nightmare, that's just a combo that happened to make an appearance after Zanz tweaked the Minotaur idea in the CIA.
I mentioned Hourglass, which is one of the reasons why Time goes along so well with the other elements, although I didn't specified that. While the drawing power is surely a huge asset, it's also complementary to any strategy that requires fast drawing, but it's not a strength of the element itself when facing other elements. The discussion was oriented about the confrontation of Time vs the others. Hourglass is a strategic advantage but doesn't actually contrast anything directly, that's why it wasn't mentioned.

The same goes for GotP. It's indeed a fairly good creature, but it's nothing special compared to any other creature out there. Its particular skill , which makes it unique, regards its interaction with nightmare. It wasn't worth mentioning it as a Time strength because without :darkness is just a banal creature.

Deja Vu has mildly interesting applications in a mono-time deck, but its utility it's maximized only with cards coming from the other elements, hence doesn't help Time as a stand alone element to have an advantage over the others.

Time has a generic advantage against any creature-based deck thanks to its stalling power. That's what gives to time a real advantage when compared to the other elements. We are not simply talking about Time's usefulness or strong points.

Let's begin this discussion about our beloved element:

What element does Time work best against?

What element does Time work worst against?

Waiting for your replies and your feedback!

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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196278#msg1196278
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2015, 09:31:38 am »
Do note that gotp has a relatively high attack, which makes it a decent medium attack creature in a monotime, for raw damage.
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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196279#msg1196279
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2015, 09:48:05 am »
Also, you forgot Deja Vu for mono Time, although GotP should also be on that list. It wasn't made to work well with Nightmare, that's just a combo that happened to make an appearance after Zanz tweaked the Minotaur idea in the CIA.

Ghost of the Past was pretty much implemented to give use to Nightmare, which was released in the previous patch. With Ghost of the Past and a buff, Nightmare went from being one of the worst cards in the game to a popular domin card.
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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196325#msg1196325
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2015, 08:44:09 pm »
You seem to forget that Time's fame to claim also includes increased drawpower, which in its uniqueness and massive card advantage givingness (whoo grammar) is considerably more notable than Time's stalling power.

Also, you forgot Deja Vu for mono Time, although GotP should also be on that list. It wasn't made to work well with Nightmare, that's just a combo that happened to make an appearance after Zanz tweaked the Minotaur idea in the CIA.
I don't think he forgot Deja Vu. Rather, I think you forgot that Deja Vu is a bad choice in a Mono Time.
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Re: What element does Time work best against? And worst? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58859.msg1196334#msg1196334
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2015, 10:43:38 pm »
You seem to forget that Time's fame to claim also includes increased drawpower, which in its uniqueness and massive card advantage givingness (whoo grammar) is considerably more notable than Time's stalling power.

Also, you forgot Deja Vu for mono Time, although GotP should also be on that list. It wasn't made to work well with Nightmare, that's just a combo that happened to make an appearance after Zanz tweaked the Minotaur idea in the CIA.
I don't think he forgot Deja Vu. Rather, I think you forgot that Deja Vu is a bad choice in a Mono Time.

Yes, I know that, but it seemd to me that his list was more of "cards that don't absolutely require another element to actually function with its ability". But apparently not.
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