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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg366292#msg366292
« Reply #288 on: July 15, 2011, 04:21:02 am »
I say that the fact that decks age should end this argument.

Platinum Arena decks are supposed to be the hardest AI in the game, but unlike the FG's there already are limitations on what cards they may use.   Further restricting this doesn't enhance the experience.


Maybe if it starts to be that all the arena decks are centred around these cards, this topic can be re-opened.
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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg366301#msg366301
« Reply #289 on: July 15, 2011, 04:32:32 am »
25% win rate at best? Well, in this case I assume there are NOT plenty of decks that work against MOST of the arena decks. Of course, someone could prove me wrong.
I assume that if you spend as much time trying out different decks as you have on here arguing over semantics, you'd be doing a lot better in arena ;)

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg366334#msg366334
« Reply #290 on: July 15, 2011, 06:06:18 am »
@ Marv : there are deck I've used vs those league and had works quite good (IE at least 45/50% vs gold and 33% vs plat)

Gold : CCYB, RoL/hope, JMZ classic, tadabow tweaked, lava rush, the shutdown, I've GotP time, pestal, 500EM deckout.deck, and a personnal deck (the wyrm looks in duo deck if you want)

plat : RoL/hope, the shutdown, lava rush, I've GotP time, 500Em deckout.deck, big time bow woth a lot of variation, JMZ tweaked..

Those are JUST the decks I've tried. All gave me lot of money and score (I gained ~70k score since arena is on and play ~1h per day at best.. except two days where I played 10 hours). So i think there exist enough efficient deck to avoid a boring farm. and I don't even talk about deck available vs bronze/silver..
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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg366346#msg366346
« Reply #291 on: July 15, 2011, 06:54:17 am »
25% win rate at best? Well, in this case I assume there are NOT plenty of decks that work against MOST of the arena decks. Of course, someone could prove me wrong.
I assume that if you spend as much time trying out different decks as you have on here arguing over semantics, you'd be doing a lot better in arena ;)
This thread is a discussion about creating limits in deck creation and thats something that has to do with arena difficulty. And if there is an argument about arena being already easy, I see no reason to let it pass, otherwise it could be considered true. So its not just about semantics, but about the thread theme.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg366355#msg366355
« Reply #292 on: July 15, 2011, 07:15:52 am »
Marv you want to know decks that works against which league ?
Gold and Platinum. A CCYB can defeat most Bronze / Silver decks without much problem :)

50% is NOT good for the arena. 25% AT BEST is what I expect from the arena.
25% win rate at best? Well, in this case I assume there are NOT plenty of decks that work against MOST of the arena decks. Of course, someone could prove me wrong.
thats what I hope for. If better is found once arena is known better, then I will be dissapointed.I had hoped the higher leagues would be harder.
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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg366376#msg366376
« Reply #293 on: July 15, 2011, 08:16:02 am »
Btw Svenningen submitted a deck with 12 sanc and 12 SoG quantum pillat and SN.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg367082#msg367082
« Reply #294 on: July 16, 2011, 06:18:27 pm »
i would like to suggest that supernova is too easymode for arena deckbuilding.  any platinum player can go 6 supernova, 2 :entropy mark 200hp and add whatever cards they like.  it really doesnt matter what the cards are, just rainbow the cards.  as a player you cant stop it, its going to explode in your face.  every other kind of deck, you weight the pros and cons of smashing its towers versus smashing its shield/weapons.  :entropy you dont, you just accept that every single opening hand they get will be a good hand and brace for the beatdown.

any fool can make a supernova deck with 75%+ creatures and know with 100% certainty it will work.  it breaks the ratio and risk all other decks face.  supernova is balanced for players with 1 card per turn: you usually get a speed boost at a card disadvantage.  it just ends up that supernova arena decks dont suffer card disadvantage, quantum issues, or speed issues.  thats whats unfair.

should it be banned?  i say yes for submitted arena decks.  regular nova can give a splash of color and speed, quantum towers give large potential quantum with no guarantees.

when people are using 8 :earth card in their :entropy mark deck there is a problem, imo

while we are on the warpath, how about less fire stalls everyone?  no one really wants to play a 10 minute game against that...
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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg367154#msg367154
« Reply #295 on: July 16, 2011, 09:34:56 pm »
Ok no more boohooing, arena is fine the way it is, if you feel there is not enough creativity with the deck builders, take it up with them individually.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg367428#msg367428
« Reply #296 on: July 17, 2011, 03:52:49 pm »
2 hint how to beat rainbow and supernova decks:

1. pandemonium
2. rain of fire/fire storm

now make deck with these cards in it. (for me useing these cards in anti-rush deck i have beaten 70% rainbow decks.)
Problem is, soon after you will find out there is so little amount of  typical rush rainbow and supernova decks out there.

My post point is: Don't blame arena, blame your deck and God who made you choose this deck to play with it at that exact moment.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg367607#msg367607
« Reply #297 on: July 18, 2011, 12:04:34 am »
Who cares about Quantum Towers and Supernovas? We need to ban FIRE from the Arena.





This is obviously a semi-joke before someone gets offended. It should transfer the message though.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg368783#msg368783
« Reply #298 on: July 20, 2011, 12:17:17 pm »
At least 25% of the top 25 decks in ALL leagues have a fire mark.

Just though I'd throw that in there for you as well. :P

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg368786#msg368786
« Reply #299 on: July 20, 2011, 12:24:28 pm »
Everyone has become so impressive with their decks that arena is now not fun and unplayable to me.  There is enough variety in rush/stall/PC that it is overly frustration to try and play a reliable counter to me.  That is all.

 

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