deuce - available hours 1200-0400 GMT via cell, 0100-0400 online during week, 1200-0400 on weekends
Oa - available at least 1700-2100 GMT. 2 nymphs, 6 marks - Oa on EtG Discord if anything urgent! Got notifications on my phone. Don't hesistate contacting me
Naii - available 2330-0300 GMT on weekdays, weekends pretty much all day unless I have something planned. Yay! youre alive!
I will not be able to play my match for R4; I will be out of city from the 23rd to the 29th and will have no computer available to play. In the case I can play, it probably won't be for long, so... Alright, thanks for letting me know!
Useful links:
Vault:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kadcf8XxPj3BFOUAokw3Ipm3NawYb0DNiftxRn-dAfoDeck validator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q-IyGY9TH7aWUDPVCYKh0bRJwXTnXpZG44E54a0jzAc/edit#gid=1528587420Deck link tool:
http://dek.im/dResults:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_nlpdCfRzWCzrCCQjJvawFEsghpKoHowrnVUiASIOAM/edit#gid=0War 3-11
Time decks
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/team-time/decks-preserved-for-eternity/decks against Time
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/team-time/decks-used-vs-time-(war-3-11)/Available decks:
Grabbow x2 (2-0)
Blessed scorp x2 [SoD +/- sosac, TLS] (0-0)
Mono Time [SoR Pharaohs] (0-0)
Mono Time [Classic control rush] (0-0)
Mark deflag/steal (2-0)
Instosis (1-0)
Life Stall (0-0)
Ghostmare x2 (0-0)
Ghostal (0-0)
RoL Hope (1-0)
SoV Dials (0-0)
Earth domins [pulvy/scarmor] (1-1) - SoI motherfuckers
Discord decks (0-0)
Status:
x vs Darkness
SoG Stall vs Fire
Gravity Shield trio vs Earth (17 vault cards)
Scorps vs Gravity
Round 3
Oa vs Darkness [probacon]
The mind games continues.. we've had them around our finger the first rounds, but they do well outside of our matches. Don't think they'll play SoVs this round either, as we've played two distinctly different only 1 ofc.. answer to that already. My guess is that they'll fear a replay of the Gen Grabbow - the drainbolt replay makes sense, in that case. Is this the round where we'll whip out a TLS variant, maybe? Alternatively we can go yolo with RoL Hope again
-sanc sod Scorps
http://dek.im/d/5l8z25m65mqz25rrz35rt5t2z37jvz27k2z27k6z67ri8pq loses to vader sader, drain bolt, bone sucker, dark sopa
might beat mitopest [unlikely to see again], dark hope, sov, devtal
ok let's forget about that one
rol hope can definitely happen from them
-sod scorps
http://dek.im/d/5l8z55m65mqz25rrz35rt5t2z37jvz27k2z67ri8pq-OAs updated gen grabbow
http://dek.im/d/4ssz44vjz15s4z177dz477gz17dmz27q0z57qaz27ri80k8pm -1 grabby +1 nova might improve odds vs mitodevs sounds ok to me
should beat SoV dials, mitodevs, devtal, dark sopa
should lose to rol hope, vader sader and zap domin - doubt we will see this
RNG vs bonesucker? prob depends on scarmor
-nymph hope
http://dek.im/d/z25lkz15s4zC5t2z47jp7jq808z380i81q8pu beats mitodevs, devtal, vader sader, drain bolt, dark sopa
needs silence to have chance vs sov
RNG vs dark hope unless fatter
probably loses to bone sucker - seems to be RNG in early testing...
-deflag SoR pharoah
beats sov, hope, bone sucker, drain bolt
RNG vs sopa
loses to vader sader, devs
***mono would probably beat devs, but lose to sov
-instosis
http://dek.im/d/z34ss560z15925c9z25rgz55rp5se61rz46u37n9z17q0z27q57q68pj QP:
http://dek.im/d/z44sa5605c9z15rgz55rp5se61r624z46qq7n9z17q0z27q57q68ps http://dek.im/d/4saz34ss560z15925c9z55rp5se61r624z66qq7n9z27q57q68ps loses to devs
beats hope, bone sucker, drain bolt, vader sader, sopa [snova loses to sopa]
Known decks:
Vader sader [R1W vs Gravy darkdom]
http://dek.im/d/z45lfz45llz8606z17jtz37n2z47tbz17um8pq -salvage in-element cards
[R2W vs entropy SoSebow]
http://dek.im/d/z45lfz45llz8606z17jtz37n2z47tbz17um8pq Mitopest [R1W vs earth hope]
http://dek.im/d/z55c9z15ulz27amz57t6z17tazA7um8pn -salvaging 5 fractals seems like a safe bet to bolster devtal and aether domin
[R2L vs time grabbow]
http://dek.im/d/z55c9z15ulz27amz57t6z17tazA7um8pn Zap domin [R1L vs Time hope]
http://dek.im/d/z85ukz15ulz15uoz2606z561qz1622z17tbz37tc8pu -my guess is they are tossing 2 fractals, which can be gained from earth. So can still play a variant of this with more DL and less zap
-may also toss in-element stuff that they can salvage from Gravy darkdom
Bone sucker [R1L vs Light immortal]
http://dek.im/d/z152qz5606z471bz57t77taz27tg7toz57um8pk -difficult to say what gets tossed, but should still have
Dark Sopa [R2W vs fire monostall?]
http://dek.im/d/z65ukz55umz15upz35utz35v0z37hiz27t48pp Dark hope [R2W vs life forfeit]
http://dek.im/d/z25lkz15lszB606z57jp7t97tbeg7tiz380i8puOther decks to fear:
soldier dvtal
http://dek.im/d/4t9z55um5upz25utz8606z261oz46227ta7um8pu Ok, you win this one
-2nd most common deck vs time, but tends to be less useful vs Gens
SoV dials Lt
http://dek.im/d/z15rlz55rpz65t25uoz35up5ur5usz55vi7t87tb8pt Sold RT
http://dek.im/d/z15rgz35rkz15rl5roz15rpz35t25uk5uoz35upz15ur5usz55vi8pt -most expected deck, so I doubt we will see, but we could be overthinking this
Monodark
http://dek.im/d/4stz15ukz55ulz55umz15uoz25upz25usz1606z27t4z17tbz27um8pt Lt
http://dek.im/d/5ukz55ulz55um5uoz25upz25us5v1606z27t4z17tbz27um8pt -always viable
siphonary/TLS
-unlikely, but possible
disco lycans Sold
http://dek.im/d/z54vhz24vlz65ukz15ulz25upz5606z27tf8pj Lt
http://dek.im/d/z54vhz24vlz55ukz25up5v1z56066u9z37tf8pj - reasonable choice if expecting duo/mark deck, resistant to RT
grabbow - unlikely to see because RTs
voodoo OTK?
its a trap - unlikely to see because RT
moe vs Fire [kaempfer]
Well... it's a solo show from shock, now? God knows what he'll fling towards us this time
[19:43] Oa: for Fire I agree that we should just send something good and well rounded, ghostmare and/or grabbow comes to mind
Can grabbow be made to beat a stall? eh probably not, unless we mod it so much it becomes shit in other matchups
RT sog stall
http://dek.im/d/z25c9z55cqzA5rgz45rkz15roz35s4z45sez55t2z17akz37ri8pn beats immorush, 60/40 vs phoebolt, beats any stall without reflectives [should still beat their sog stall, jonnigton could be rough]
probably loses to dim quinted fire spirits
Pulvy scarmor
http://dek.im/d/z577dz277fz578qz37q0z57qaz17qcz27ri8pl -not a hard crema counter, but should be better than 50/50
-loses to SoG stall, interestingly
Crema Rush
beats: sov dials, deflag pharaohs, scorp variants, ghostal or other dims, rol hope
counters: scarmor variants, early eternity [mono?], ghostmare, RT grabbies
Known decks:
Crema rush [R1W vs Gravy mono]
http://dek.im/d/5l9z561pz16rlz16u2z174a7ae7dmz57dpz57dqz280m8pmSoG bolt [R1L vs Life PUgon]
http://dek.im/d/z15c5z55cqz95f0z15f65f7z25f8z75giz27akz57dk8pn [R1L vs Light NT]
http://dek.im/d/z15c5z55cqz95f0z15f65f7z25f8z75giz27akz57dk8pnSpirit dims [R1L vs time deflag pharaohs]
http://dek.im/d/z15f3z15f6z25giz27djz67f2808z580d80ez480h81q8pu [R2W vs earth NT]
http://dek.im/d/z45f3z15f6z25gi61o61u63az67f2z580dz480h8puMono stall [R2L vs dark sopa]
http://dek.im/d/z55f05f6z15fuz45giz17dgz57dkz17dnz37doz17f28poPhoenix bolt [R2W vs entropy grabbow]
http://dek.im/d/z54so5f05f55f65f7z55fc5giz17dgz57dk7dnz37f28poArmored destroyers [R2L vs light vader sader bow]
http://dek.im/d/593z3595z75gi6rlz377d77jz57dqz47f28pm Naii vs Earth [Gen IF]
EA Grav shield seems to be a cool choice. Maybe they'll spot our counter of SoPa from last round, though, and go with something completely different.
The "fuck shards" deck, Pulvy version:
http://dek.im/d/z2749z277dz277fz277iz578qz57qaz57ri8plKnown decks:
Sopa Bow [R1W vs light sopa sofree hope]
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz558uz4596z15ij5j25rq5v07787alz17dmz27hi7n08ppSopa [R1W vs life grabbow]
http://dek.im/d/58p58sz558uz5596z25ibz15ijz35j2z678q8ppHope [R1L vs dark mitodevs]
http://dek.im/d/58t594zA5aaz25lk61oz362263az177az47jp80i8puShitty sanc stall [R1L vs entropy adrenastave]
http://dek.im/d/594z3595z159czB5aaz25li77k77sz17joz57k6z17la8pqSoI fucker [R2W vs Time scarmor]
http://dek.im/d/z550az162mz16rkz3778z5786z57eez38168poSoI deflag
http://dek.im/d/z550az162m6rkz3778z5786z17dmz57eez28168po -SoD miracle or Sosac SoD miracle with scorps counters SoI decks
NT BB [R2L vs fire dim spirits]
http://dek.im/d/z2595z75aaz45ig5ijz378qz47gkz37i68ppPulvy GP nymphs [R2L vs Entropy pandaboner]
http://dek.im/d/z355tz758oz258uz158vz159cz1778z477az378q8plDevEQ SoI? [R2L vs gravy grabbow]
http://dek.im/d/z259mz55um5up5urz35viz377jz1786z578q7taz17td8ptviable Trident sopa
http://dek.im/d/z558uz5596z55aaz15iaz15ibz35icz35j2z278q8pptrident sopa w/o purify
http://dek.im/d/z558uz5596z55aaz15ibz35icz35j2z278q8ppOld decks vs Time:
Trident sopa
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(earth-sideboard)-ji412jo-(sub-jenkar)-3-0-vineroz-(time-salvage)/ W over ghostal
W over UGs
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(earth-sideboard)-jenkar-3-1-vagman-(time-tinkerer)-mine-used/ L to zap rush
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(time-discard)-fabian771-3-2-ryli-(sub-jenkar)(earth-upgrades)/ W over rainbow stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(earth-lt)-manaboy100-3-0-vagman13-(time-merc)/ Pulvy sopa
http://dek.im/d/4smz5596z65i4z15ibz35j2z577ez277f7gk8pl W over poisondials
W over SOV dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(earth-lieutenant)-ryli-3-0-kuroaitou-(time-general)/ Immortal
http://dek.im/d/z5594zG5aaz55liz55m677bz177c78qz17k1z57q98pq W over wings duo
Monopulvy
http://dek.im/d/z24smz858o58vz3595z259cz15aaz577az177f8pl L to sov dials with steal
BB DL SoV
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-1-player-4-(time-lt-)/ W over SoR gold nymphs
W over ghostmare
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-1-annele-(time-lt-)/RT grabbies
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-1-annele-(time-alchemist)/ W over disco CP vu scorps
W over EA eternity
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-11/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-0-annele-(time-lt-)/Pulvy gravy duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-10-409/(time-salvage)-annele-3-1-immortal_feud-(earth-salvage)/ L to EA eternity
W to ghostmare
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-9-207/(earth-salvage)-jen-i-3-2-player-4-(time-alchemist)/Fire duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(time-gen-)-kaempfer13-3-0-jen-i-(earth-discard)/ L to rol hope
Mono grabby rush
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-12/(time-lieutenant)-annele-3-0-jen-i-(earth-lieutenant)/ L to rol hope
Dim antliontal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(time-general)-kuroaitou-3-2-ji412jo-(earth-gambler)/ L to TLS scorps
deuce vs Gravity [hain]
Gotta be wary of their wings, and I'm still paranoid as heck about swallow
They will likely prep for scarmor [and maybe pulvy]
-candidates = DBH, voodoo, guardtal, OD titans/armagios
+scorps = should only lose to DBH
+TLS = may have a chance against all decks depending on the build
Scorps
-beats: darkdom, dim stall [if 31 cards], guardtal, grabbow, mono gravy
-loses: swallow, DBH, adrenastaff [should beat if 33 cards or eternity], same with wings
http://dek.im/d/5lf5lf5lf5m65m65m65m65m65rr5rr5rr5rr5rt5rt5rt5t25t25t25t271u71u71u72i72i7k27k27ri7ri7ri7ri8pqCheap Monotime
http://dek.im/d/z45rgz55rkz15s4z35t27q0z57q1z57qa8psMono gravy [R1L vs fire crema rush]
http://dek.im/d/z14t9z355kz355tz1562z45766rlz1744z2745z2747z275275m8pldarkdom [R1L vs vader sader]
http://dek.im/d/4t9z855kz3576z25upz15urz15v1z4745z37477t88ptcatatitan [R1L vs time pulvy scarmor]
http://dek.im/d/z355kz555sz2561z2576z45oiz35ooz2744z275m8prWings [R1W vs discofrogs]
http://dek.im/d/z14sl55kz355tz3576z15oiz25olz35oo744z3747z175mz47mt8pr [R2W vs entropy CP salvager]
http://dek.im/d/4sl4t955kz355tz2576z15oiz25olz35oo744z3747z275mz47mt8prGrabbow [R2W vs earth devEQ]
http://dek.im/d/z14t9z54vjz255tz155uz4576590z2747z477g7n07tb80a8pmAdrenastaff [R2W vs discosader]
http://dek.im/d/4t9z455kz5576z35c5z55c7z3745z1749z37n28pnDim stall [R2W vs life forfeit]
http://dek.im/d/z255kz2562z156iz9576z461t744z57478pu darkdom
http://dek.im/d/z755kz155tz1562z3576z15upz15urz15v1z4745746z17478ptdim PU chargers -
catatitan - unlikely to see [haha, i was dead wrong]
catadials - could see if viable
guardtal -
http://dek.im/d/4t9z555k55sz9576z3622z1745z474774g8pu Lt + relic
poison rush - unlikely in vault
death duo
DBH
http://dek.im/d/z44vcz34vfz14vlz750uz155pz455vz16u5z17458plSwallow - likely in vault, just fewer ups
voodoo GP - likely in vault, solid against rush/domins
Grabbow - unlikely to see [RT/eternity]
Pulvy duo - should be in vault
light stall
mono
Dim PU charger
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(gravity-salvage)-naesala-(sub)-3-0-fabian771-(time-upgrades)/ W over Pdials
catadials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(gravity-lt-)-kaempfer13-3-1-danieela-(time-tinkerer)/ W over bolt dial
guardtal
http://dek.im/d/z555k55s560z9576z1745z474775mz380i8pu L to SoV dials
darkdom
http://dek.im/d/z555kz155tz1562z1576z25v1z1744z4745z1747z175mz17t9z17tb8pt W to grabbowmare
L to rainbow stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-mercenary)-annele-3-0-insignificantweeaboo-(gravity-general)/msg1285384/#msg1285384Poison rush
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-gen-)-kaempfer13-3-2-insignificantweeaboo-(gravity-gen-)/msg1284433/ L to ghostmare
death duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(gravity-gen-)-worldwideweb3-3-0-vagman13-(time-lt-)/ W over fire duo
Event card: unless we are almost certain to beat someone, let's be smart and give high discards to decks with many pillars/pends (to maximize vault discards rather than deck discards) and/or "save" our most precious builds, rather than look at win chance
SDT R2:
Salvage:
ALCH win vs Gravity:
http://dek.im/d/z255pz25laz25lfz85mq6rlz274bz3752z37la8plSoFo's are sweet, but we'll probably want more relevant cards from alchemist anwyay. Let's see if we lose any matches we'd want to recover discards from
More nymphs? More scarabs? More rainbow techs?
replace what was lost from deck vs earth
Transmute 3 cards vs Life
Win vs Darkness (7 cards):
http://dek.im/d/z55c9z15ulz27amz57t6z17tazA7um8pntransmute 3 for lost cards + 1 salvage [or 2+3, 1+5, 0+7]
Discards:
Loss vs Earth
http://dek.im/d/5925925s45s45se5se77d77d77d77i7q07q07q07q07q07q07q07q07q07q07q07q87q87q87qa7qa7qa7qa7qa7qu8pm19 cards total discard 12 [save 7 cards]
3 EA - should keep these, esp if we decide to make the EA wings deck...
3 armor
5 scarab
2 nymph
3 eternity
3 sor
So we'll obviously need to keep 5x scarabs, 2x nymph and 3x EA, which are 10 cards. We'll at least save those with 3 transmutes (9 free transmutes)
Round 2
Gen Oa vs Darkness [ginyu]
Torb is not happy about losing to rol hope, so I doubt it would work twice in a row. But in theory he could bank on us not playing it, just like we did with their SoV dials. He seems to think mitodevs counters hope, which it technically did R1 against earth, but I think ours had better quanta. Can do the (PC-heavy) gen grabbow this time, like we considered last round, as I still think devs, one way or another, are likely to be seen. A mono darkness wouldn't surprise me, so wouldn't Sov Dials, Mitopests or even a Drainbolt replay
Grabbow, ref last round:
http://dek.im/d/4ssz54vjz15s4z177dz477gz17dmz27q0z57qaz27ri8pm Naii vs Life [linkcat]
Ghostmare is common vs life, so would expect something that works vs that. I wouldn't get too wonky with the mindgates here, their team is inactive as fck and they barely got to submit decks for round 1. Might be something to keep in mind. The fact they did not upgrade their PC in discofrogs, and only have one explosion in their grabbow, would make me consider Ghostal -
http://dek.im/d/z14t9z85rg5rl5ro5ruz75t2z461tz1622624z27q57qe80d8pu man this fractal nerf is a blow for ghostal
Instosis is also an idea I like - loses to disco frogs or lots of pc
Known decks:
Zap PUgon [R1W vs fire sog bolt]
http://dek.im/d/z15btz15c2z15c4z25dez361qz461rz27adz87bu8pu -poorly built, and they know it
Rustler Mitodragon rush [R1W vs entropy shitty grabbow]
http://dek.im/d/z35btz55bvz15cg7adz27apzD7jo8pn -fast deck, but countered by CC [scarabs, not RT]
-salvage grabbow fodder lost to earth
Grabbow [R1L vs earth sopa]
http://dek.im/d/4t9z54vjz55905955bu5bvz15c15c2z45de5og71az27ae7dm8pm -stil have
Disco frogs [R1L vs Gravy wings]
http://dek.im/d/4t9z14vez54vjz14vlz15bs5c0z15c9z15dez15f65upz16u57acz47aez17bu8pj -gotta toss something, but should still have. kind of weird the deflag and steals are unupped...
Old life decks used vs time
Poison sosac heal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(life-upgrade)-heman-3-0-vineroz-(time-gambler-2-3)-(sub-kuroaitou)/ W vs fat entropy duo
L to SoV dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-gambler)-danieela-(sub-kuroaitou)-3-0-heman-(life-lt-)/ Mark deflag
http://dek.im/d/z24snz35bsz35c0z15cgz15f6z37acz57aez27alz17dm8po L to ghostmare
Fire stall
http://dek.im/d/z35cqz55f0z55f4z25f7z25fbz65giz17akz17baz37f28pn L to monotime
Rainbow stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-lt-)-player-4-(kaempfer13)-3-0-majofa(life-mercenary)/ L to rol hope
Dark dom
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(life-alchemist)-majofa-3-2-vindilos-(sub)-(lieutenant-time)/ W over ghostmare
L to SoV dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(time-salvager)(sub)-danieela-3-2-fippe94-(life-salvager)/ L to ghostmare
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(time-lt)-vineroz-3-2-gen-fippe94-(life-gen)/Moe vs Light [EvaRia]
Going out on a limb and guessing they will bring something that counters SoG stall since it trolled them hard last war My thoughts too.. some PUGons variant, likely with dims, wouldn't surprise me. Neither would something PC heavy. The SoPa bow probably counters SoGstall?
Known decks:
Phoenix Cream [R1W vs Entropy CP bow]
http://dek.im/d/z15f6z45fcz55l95ldz57dpz17drz17joz27juz27la8poNT solar shield [R1W vs Fire SoG bolt]
http://dek.im/d/z25igz15ijz25ldz15mq6rkz37gkz27h0z27i6z87la8ppImmortal [R1W vs Dark bone sucker]
http://dek.im/d/z1593z5594zH5aaz55lcz55m6z277cz277iz57k28pqSopa Sofree hope [R1L vs Earth Sopa bow]
http://dek.im/d/z45lez35lkz35okz15paz27hiz57jpz57mt8ppVader Sader bow [R2W vs fire armored destroyers]
http://dek.im/d/z54vj55qz35l8z15ldz25mqz17dmz57k5z27q4z27tb8pqCrema MP destroyer [R2W vs life forfeit]
http://dek.im/d/z14t9z15f6z55l95ldz15mq6rkz57dpz57dqz37ds8poDisco saderbow [R2L vs gravy adrenastaves]
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz75l85ldz55llz36u577jz17dmz17q48pjGravy domin [R2L vs deflag pharaohs]
http://dek.im/d/z255pz25laz25lfz85mq6rlz274bz3752z37la8plOld decks vs time:
Dim PUgon
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/serprex-light-sideboard-3-2-kurotaiou-time-general/ W over PUgon
Miracle chargertal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-upgrades)-vagman13-(sub-kuroaitou)-3-0-serprex-(light-mercenary)/ L to RT GnG
Pulvy sader
http://dek.im/d/z1596z55aaz75l8z15mqz1749z377fz47k57n28pl W over SoR nymphs
L to monotime
Discosaders
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-salvage)-vindilos-3-0-player-4-(mobian)(light-salvage)/ L to SoG stall
SoFo angels
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(light-lt)-arthanasios-(mobian-subbed-in)-3-1-player-4-(time-salvage)/msg1285373/#msg1285373 W over light stall
flying SoW stars
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-10-409/(light-lt-)-mobian-3-2-vindilos-(time-alchemist)/ W over SoG stall
L to SoG stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-11/(time-alchemist)-player4-3-0-dawn_to_dusk-(light-gen-)/Dim dragontal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(time-alchemist)-annele-3-1-dawn-to-dusk-(light-general)/ L to SoG stall
Jonnington
L to SoG stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(time-lt-)-vineroz-3-0-gen-discord-(light-gen-)/ deuce vs earth [Afda]
Immortal is unlikely vs us. Sopa seems most likely, especially after their R1. We showed EA, which can deter both pulvy and trident, but you never know. I'm pretty sure the risk of facing EA isn't big enough for them to change everything up. A dial type deck could be nice here. Instosis beats everything they had R1. But I am as paranoid about shipwrecker here as I was of Swallow in gravy. And after a bit of thinking, I see no reason why they won't play it. Sopa decks have done incredibly well vs time and pulvy's the icing on the cake. They'll just tech in a couple of EAs for Pulvy and SoPa. So how do we beat? Ghostmare can work, or at least in upped meta. Used a lot by kaempfer last war, though... ugh this is the tough one. Maybe a scorpion variant? Without SoSac, ofc.
Earth domin:
http://dek.im/d/z1592z15s4z15sez277d77izA7q0z27q8z47qa7qu8pm -seems to beat sopa anything - most likely to see
-should beat hope, just keep RTing rols until SoR scarmor
-will have trouble vs the shitty sanc stall
-will beat immortal if no weapon - unlikely to see immortal
-nymph pulvy could be tough - neds testing
-BB DL SoV - likely loss, decent chance to see if worried about hope
Blessed scorps
-loses to sopa
Rol hope - historically good vs earth, except immortal
-likely loses to their current sopa builds
Current status:
Grabbow vs Darkness
Instosis/Ghostal/Rolhope vs Life
??? vs Light
EAnternity vs Earth
http://dek.im/d/z1592z15s4z15sez277d77izA7q0z27q8z47qa7qu8pmSalvage/Discard - Round 1:
Salvage 6 from Gravity (alchemist - which practically means pick 6 free cards to add to vault) is this only for this deck or whole round? This deck only
http://dek.im/d/z355kz555sz2561z2576z45oiz35ooz2744z275m8prWe can pick up the silence [2?]
more nymphs? i underestimated the value of nymphs, maybe 1-2 more Scarabs? If moe loses we can recover the discards as well
Pulvy?
Maybe even a relic
bolster up rol/hope? with what, exactly? Anything that could be discarded, esp flexible cards, e.g. nymph, fractal
Salvage 6 from Darkness:
http://dek.im/d/z85ukz15ulz15uoz2606z561qz1622z17tbz37tc8pu2 dusk, 2 vagger, 2 fractal, 6 lightning, 4 siphon, 2 black dragon
Defo want the fractals so we can play both Ghostal and RoL Hope in the same round
Lightnings are great CC to be splashed into bows of any sort, especially against gravity and potential SoFos
Salvage 6 from Fire:
http://dek.im/d/z15f3z15f6z25giz27djz67f2808z580d80ez480h81q8pu6 dims, 2 deflags, 1 lobo, 5 quints, 5 fire spirits
could lobo be useful in a fat stall as a specific counter? useful in rol hope or with dims
deflag, dim
Salvage 6 from Entropy
http://dek.im/d/4vfz54vp4vqz450u52gz152oz152qz352r542z36vez37188pk6 Pande, 4 BW, 6 Poison, 2 Arse, 1 cat (yeet), 1 Purple dragon
pande, arse, transmute
3-4 BWs could be used for an invictus type deck
panda may be useful for fat stall or splash CC in a discord deck [upped -0.5]
not a huge fan of poison and arse
I lowkey want the poisons
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Round 1:
Oa vs ProBacon (Darkness)
SoVs are the obvious pick for them and I assume they'll steer away from that at this stage. My assumption is that torb will assume we will prep for SoVs (exactly), mark deflag being most obvious choice. So I think devs are likely to be seen. However, he really only liks using them in devtal. Scorps should shit on devtal, right? not necessarily, depends how fast devs come out Fractal's horribly slow this time with -1.5 | -2, though. However, mitosis is a reasonable substitute devtal doesnt need a lot of ups, you can control the board easily with a single unupped devtal combo. make it a Lt and you get most of those ups back 4 fractals are already -6, and are there cards which can get teched in which give ups? unupped nigthfall hmm nice catch, otherwise spend other 3 upgrades on vamps I'm unsure if they can field a good devtal at all, at least without Gen ups they definitely can, plus they can add 1 relic if they want ya forgot about relics, you're right
Devtal
http://dek.im/d/4t9z55um5upz25utz8606z261oz46227ta7um8pu we can actually make a funky scorpbow if afraid of devs that didn't go quite well lol.
SoD/sanc scorps
http://dek.im/d/5l8z25m65mqz25rrz35rt5t2z37jvz27k2z27k6z67ri8pq -seems to beat both SoV and devtal [depending on number of steals] in initial testing
-havent tested vs RT SoV
-seems to lose to disco lycans and mono dark [with devs]
Gen Grabbow
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz177dz477gz17dmz37q0z57qaz17qkz27ri8pm http://dek.im/d/4ssz54vjz15s4z177dz477gz17dmz27q0z57qaz27ri8pm (legal version)
-seems to beat SoV, devtal, monodark, should also fair well vs disco lycans
-could be troublesome vs RT SoV [not sure if they can field?] heavily doubt
-may lose to a stall
Rol hope?
nymph
http://dek.im/d/z25lkz15s4zC5t2z47jp7jq808z380i81q8puprecog
http://dek.im/d/z25lkz55rrz65t2z47jp7jqz17ri808z380i81q8pumoe vs rogerluc (Entropy)
Should be wary of pandebonium, this deck is pretty weakened by lack of ups
interesting that DBH has been unsuccessful against us...
Known decks:
Pandaboner [R1L vs time grabbow]
http://dek.im/d/4vfz54vp4vqz450u52gz152oz152qz352r542z36vez37188pk [R2W vs Earth pulvy nymph]
http://dek.im/d/4vcz54vkz44vpz550u52gz16vez2718z171az371b8pkGrabbow [R1L vs Life rustler rush]
http://dek.im/d/z24sa4vhz54vjz14vm4voz150u5if5og6tu6u16ve74ez377gz27ai7dm7tb8pmCP Salvager [R1L vs Light Crema]
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz26u1z56u2z174a7aez47eez17q1z480m8pj [R2L vs Gravy wings]
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz26u1z56u2z174az47ee7jvz17q1z480m8pjAdrenastaff [R1W vs earth sanc stall]
http://dek.im/d/z24vmz14voz250uz45c5z76vez47anz47n28pnSosebow [R2L vs Dark vader sader]
http://dek.im/d/z24vcz54vhz24vl55uz15c1z26tsz56u3z56uq8pjCP grabbow [R2L vs fire mono]
http://dek.im/d/4saz24vm50uz1595z2596z36qqz56u26u8z36vez277gz177l8pmSanc scorps
http://dek.im/d/z35lfz55lmz15rjz15roz35rtz17k2z97ri8pq -capable of decking out pandabonium. Scorps often played before BW can go up
-DBH is bad matchup, especially if they have sofo
-darkdom also not favorable
-loses to diss stall, reflect gives it a chance but still unlikely
Grabbow
http://dek.im/d/4vj4vj4vj4vj4vj5ia5og5rg5rg5rg5rq5s45t25t25t25v177d77d77g77g77g77g77g7al7dm7dm7qa7qa7qa7qa8pm -initial testing favorable vs diss bolt and pandaboner
-can beat DBH, just depends on build. Key is waiting to use novas, early scarmor is huge
-seems favorable vs darkdom and disco grabby, but close
DBH
http://dek.im/d/z24vcz24vfz34vlzA50uz455vz156iz17458plpandabonium
http://dek.im/d/z54vpz850u52gz452oz152qz352r54271871a8pkLt disco grabbow
http://dek.im/d/4t9z14vhz54vjz24vlz550u55tz55905og61q7aez17dm8pmLt pulvy grabbow
http://dek.im/d/4t9z24vhz550uz5590z15c15og624z56u36vez277f8pmmono
http://dek.im/d/z54vcz34vdz14vez54vfz650u6tsz26u56ve8pjdark dom
http://dek.im/d/z54vcz14vfz54vhz750uz25upz15v16tvz17tb8pt SoD stall - very unlikely to see
sopa?
firebolt diss stall
http://dek.im/d/4vcz54vgz24vpzA50uz55f4z25f7z35fbz26tsz26ve8po -beats scorps
mark deflag
Mono
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(entropy-lt)-calindu-3-0-vagman13-(time-lt)/ W over ghostmare
Grabbow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(entropy-upgrades)(sub)-thearrogantone-3-1-danieela-(time-salvage)/ W over sopa time
Dark dom
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(entropy-salvage)(sub)-aaronk474-3-0-danieela-(time-upgrades)(sub)/ W over poisondials
Diss Bolt stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(entropy-salvager)-thearrogantone-3-1-danieela-(time-salvager)/ W over sopa time
L to sopa bow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(time-general)-kuroaitou-3-1-dark-ripper-(entropy-sideboard)/Snova Pulvy grabbow
http://dek.im/d/z24vhz250uz5590z15c15ogz1624z56u3z36vez277f8pm W over sanc scorp dials
Pandabonium
http://dek.im/d/z54vpz450u52g52qz352r542z36vez5718z171a8pk W over earth duo scraps
W over ghostal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(entropy-salvage)-blacksmith-3-2-player4-(-kaemp)-(time-discard-)/SoP grabbow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(entropy-gen-)-wyand-3-0-player-4-(time-mercenary)/ W over rainbow stall
DBH
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(time-alch)-vindilos-3-0-blacksmith-(entropy-salvage)/ L to ghostmare
L to RT GnG
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(time-disc-)-vagman13-3-0-(gravity-disc-)-odii-odsen/SoD stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-9-207/(entropy-lt)-blacksmith-3-0-kaempfer-(time-gen)/ W over instosis
Naii vs Gen. shockcannon (Fire)
shock appears to be paranoid of scarmor. My guess is that he will probably stall [[not sure what works in this meta for them] (very good point!). grabbow is always awesome as a gen, but the threat of RT and scarmor may steer him away. A monofire is possible, but it failed last war against SoR pharoahs. I just expect a shitty deck tbh... Lmao - remember kaempfer's there to fix things tho. bleh, I guess I wonder what kae was paranoid last war from fire my guess is Bone walls BW is a fantastic counter against fire for any element, but Im sure kae is aware of some deck that is pretty strong vs time that he had trouble prepping for?
Last war, time used ghostmare twice and SoR pharaohs the other time. Never used perms, so a stall from shock makes sense, which is essentially what he usde x3 last war vs time but the builds were terrible except for jonnington. I think shock is going to be paranoid of RT, scarmor, and SoR pharaohs
Mark deflag SoR Pharaohs
http://dek.im/d/z25f6zF5rgz45sez57qc8p mayb mark steal would be better...
-beats jonnington, bonebolt,
-50/50 at best vs fractix
-50/50 vs sog bolt, entirely depends on if opponent draws bolts faster than pharaohs
-adding +1 nymph or +2 nymph -1 pharaoh should give our deck advantage
Lt x2 nymph
http://dek.im/d/z25f6zC5rgz15s4z45sez17q0z47qc8po -50/50 at best vs RT phoenix -
Mark steal - no change vs anything
Pure SoR pharaohs - tougher vs decks with fire shield [jonnington, SoG bolt]
- better vs fractix
Ghostmare
- loses to jonnington, bonebolt, and probably SoG bolt
- beats fractix
- should beat mark RT?
Ghostal - unavailable if Oa using RoL hope
Discopharaohs [no novas left]...could use QPs...
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz65rgz15ruz16u1z26u5z177dz17dmz57qa8pj http://dek.im/d/z54vjz35rgz25ru5v1z26u5z277dz17dmz17q0z57qa8pjEA pulvy scarmor
http://dek.im/d/z1592z377dz177fz578qz87q0z37qaz27qc8pl beats stalls
-need early pulvy vs bonebolt
-fractix? - 50/50?
-should beat RT
Disco scarmor - loses to stalls, should have advantage over bonebolt, beats rushes
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz14vlz1592z35rg5rs5s46u5z17dmz27q0z57qaz17qc8pjDisco pharaoh - capable of beating stalls, but less effective vs rushes
Life stall
Bonebolt and fractix make sense as likely plays
Bonebolt
http://dek.im/d/z352rz45f0z55f4z15f7z55giz57187f28pk Fractix [2 deflag, 0 zap]
http://dek.im/d/z45f0z15f65fuz95gi61oz362263az57ds8pu Fractix [4 deflag, 1 dim]
http://dek.im/d/z55f0z35f6z95gi61tz3622z47ds8pu -can tech in more deflag or lightnings
-adding immo doesnt seem to be favorable even if shock did that last war
-could always splash in a relic too...
Heal/SoG bolt seems plausible as well
http://dek.im/d/z55cqz85f0z15f5z17al7dgz57dkz47f28pnmark RT is possible and more viable as a gen, counters scarmor and helps vs ghostmare and SoR pharaohs
[unupped RT]
http://dek.im/d/z75f05f7z55fcz55rkz57dgz27dm8ps [mixed RT]
http://dek.im/d/zA5f05f7z55fcz25rkz27dgz27dmz27q48psJonnington stall very possible, especially with Gen ups for dials
Gen 3 upped dials
http://dek.im/d/5f0z55f4z15f5z15f7zF5gi5l8z15liz55lm7k2z27q98pq Gen 6 unupped dials
http://dek.im/d/z55f0z45f4z15f5z15f7z45gi5l85liz55lmz55rpz45t27dkz17k28pqLife stall with jade - beats bonebolt, possibly FLS/jonnington if no reflect
maybe scorps
sov dials likely still slower than bonebolt and def fractix, but might have chance against other stalls
Gen bonebolt
http://dek.im/d/z352rz45f0z55f4z15f7z55giz57187f28pk Sosac BW
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(entropy-lt-)-player-4-3-2-zyardran-(sub)-(fire-tinkerer)/Gen Fractix
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(fire-lt-)-player-4-3-0-doublecapitals-(gravity-discard)/ http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(darkness-general)-theonlyrealbeef-3-0-danieela-(fire-salvager)/ immo fractix
Phoenix RT
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(water-lt-)-ravingrabbid-3-1-danieela-(fire-discard)/Heal bolt
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(fire-tinkerer)-player-4-3-2-mobian-(light-lt-)/ green nymph
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(fire-salvage)-danieela-3-2-player-4-(death-lieutenant)/ SoG
http://dek.im/d/z45cqzA5f0z15f5z45giz17alz57dk8pnCP sofree - should be dead
FLS
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(death-salvage)-cccombobreaker-3-1-(fire-lt-)-(sub)-zyardran/Jonnington - 6 upped dials = 15 ups...may not have
Gen 3 upped dials
http://dek.im/d/5f0z55f4z15f5z15f7zF5gi5l8z15liz55lm7k2z27q98pq Gen 6 unupped dials
http://dek.im/d/z55f0z45f4z15f5z15f7z45gi5l85liz55lmz55rpz45t27dkz17k28pqSoB poison sosac/bw [forgot arse]
http://dek.im/d/52gz152r542z55fuz55giz171bz271uz37f2z57q98pkWings
http://dek.im/d/z35f0z55f2z15f6z25fbz45giz15opz27dg7f2z57n88prMono dragons
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(fire-lieutenant)-player-4-3-1-kalinuial-(earth-gen-)/msg1285282/#msg1285282 Phoenix
http://dek.im/d/z14soz15f0z25f4z55fcz15giz37dgz27dkz27dm7dnz37f28poDisco cream
http://dek.im/d/4vl4vnz258uz45aaz55faz16u5z277az277ez57dp8pjImmo darkdom
http://dek.im/d/5aaz55f9z15faz25giz15up5v1z177az577ez37dqz27tb8ptDarkdom
http://dek.im/d/z35f0z55fc5fuz35giz17dgz37f2z37t9z27tbz17th8ptBone bolt
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(fire-upgrades)-theonlyrealbeef-3-2-fabian771-(time-upgrades)/ W over pdials
Void dial stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-salvage)-fabian771-3-1-xn0ize(fire-upgrades)/ L to ghostmare
sanc stall w/o dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-discard)-fabian771-3-1-xn0ize-(fire-upgrades)/ L to ghostal
monofire
http://dek.im/d/z25f0z55f4z25f6z15f7z55fcz15giz37dgz37f28po L to SoR nymphs
W over SoR NT
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(fire-general)-killsdazombies-3-1-danieela-(time-tinkerer)/Bolt dials
http://dek.im/d/z75f0z55f45f6z25f7z67dgz47q98pq W over frog duo
UG wings
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(time-gen-)-kaempfer13-3-1-shockcannon-(fire-gen-)/msg1284066/#msg1284066 L to SoR pharaohs
Heal bolt
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(time-salvage)-vindilos-3-1-(fire-tinkerer)-player-4-(shockcannon)/ L to ghostmare
Jonnington
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(fire-salvage)-(sub)-zyardran-3-0-player-4-(time-alchemist)/ W over ghostmare
deuce vs worldwideweb3 (Gravity)
I can't really see how they'll beat a control ghostmare? something to test
http://dek.im/d/4t9z65rgz25rkz45ru5s4z15t2z15upz25v1z27q07riz17tb8ptscorps [sosac/miracle] could be interesting here
http://dek.im/d/z25lfz45m6z25rtz25t2z271uz172iz17k2z37qbz47ri8pq -should beat darkdom, guardtal, catatitan/dials, grabbow, death rush, pulvy duo
-kind of iffy vs guardtal, need early blessed scorp
-needs testing vs swallow
-prob loses to DBH, maybe a stall?
Scarmor
http://dek.im/d/z1592z377dz177fz578qz87q0z37qaz27qc8pl - 50/50 vs darkdom
- seems to have advantage over guardtal
- should beat PU chargers, catadials
- might beat DBH]
Gut feeling (if all else fails
)
- scorps vs darkness
- scarmorbow or lifestall vs entropy
- ghostal (pharabow?) vs fire
- LT ghostmare vs gravity
-Blessed scorp +/- sosac Likely - these were surprisingly good in testing in that case I trust in you, beat both SoV and lifes dark dom which variant?
duo
http://dek.im/d/5l8z35lfz55m65mqz25rrz35rtz25t2z27k2z47ri8pq sosac
http://dek.im/d/z2542z25lfz45m6z35rrz25rtz35t2z271uz17k2z27ri8pq precog soldier [5 sod]
http://dek.im/d/z2542z25lfz55m6z25rtz65t2z271uz17k2z27qb8pq - upped precog instead of pills [6 sod]
-TLS Yes
-grabbow scarmor Yes
-SoR pharoahs Yes
-rol hope Yes
-SoV +/- dials Yes
-instosis Yes
-life stall Yes
-ghostmare Yes
-Regular control monotime (already built in vault)
Decks TBD:
-disco scarmor Is this better than the classic pharaohbow?good question...it has more ups...
-invictus [BW] 3 BWs (and a couple of mummies) could be affordable
-devtal Not fancying it
-ghostal Probably useful
-bonebolt Clunky but might be useful
-purple nymph Conjunction with scorps? no
http://dek.im/d/4vcz550050uz15sez45t2z16tsz26u8z16vez57q1z17ri8pj looks like whack at first glance, but might be better than it looks? did you try it yet? I can see its usefulness in some situations, but I might need to trust your mindgating in that case
-deja hope Unsure
-deja bond Meh
-rainbow stall If made good. Takes a lot of vault space, though
-EA water stall - yet to build, probably useless Agree
-gravy duo suprisingly powerful, but somewhat meh with these rules
-sopa might be worth keeping a couple of copies yeah
-pharaohbow
-UGDials
- (note to self: look at Pulvy domin)
http://dek.im/d/z458oz1590z15925aaz35rg5rjz35rsz15se5t2z277fz47q08pl probably whack but w/e
http://dek.im/d/z1592z25rgz3778z377dz177fz177gz278q7q0z37qa7qcz37ri8plblessed scorp Sosac SoD dials - seems to be best with 3 sosac and 2-3 miracles
http://dek.im/d/4t9z152gz25lfz55m6z55rpz25rtz65t2z571u8pqhttp://dek.im/d/z252gz25lfz35m6z25rtz25t2z471uz57qbz27ri8pq - without dials [precogs]
http://dek.im/d/z252gz25lfz55m6z25rtz55t2z571uz27qb8pq - w/o dials [merc]
http://dek.im/d/z2542z25lfz45m6z35rrz25rtz35t2z271uz17k2z27ri8pq - precog soldier [5 sod]
http://dek.im/d/z2542z25lfz55m6z25rtz65t2z271uz17k2z27qb8pq - upped precog instead of pills [6 sod]
Blessed scorps [no sosac] - surprisingly solid
http://dek.im/d/5l8z35lfz55m65mqz25rrz35rtz25t2z27k2z47ri8pqblessed scorps dials stall variant? likely
http://dek.im/d/z15l8z15lfz15mqz55rpz35rtz75t2z17jvz37k28pqhttp://dek.im/d/4t9z35lfz25liz55lmz25m6z15rj5rl5roz55rpz35rtzM5t2z47q57q88pqCP scorps CP is -0.5 while Momentum is 0.0, might just tip it in gravity's favour CP hits harder
http://dek.im/d/z24vd5rrz55rtz55t2z56u2z26u5z47ri8pj -this looks great to me its pretty solid
-could replace maxwells with AMs for some healing
http://dek.im/d/z24vdz34vnz35rtz85t2z36u2z26u5z27ri8pj - only 4x combo allows for more CC
"Classic" Mono Time
http://dek.im/d/z65rg5rjz15rkz15rmz15roz55ruz55t2z17q07q57ri8psSoR pharoahs is super trolly. i remember being paranoid about it last war on air, but might be weaker against other elements, not to mention dims Yeah ofc true forgot about that one
Mono pure rush
http://dek.im/d/z25rgz55ruz25t2z27q0z57q1z57qaz27ri8psSoR Pharaohs
http://dek.im/d/z45rgz55sez45t2z27q0z57qcz27ri8psupping pharaohs is absolutely necessary
-could tech in mark deflags or something
Gravity Shield domin
http://dek.im/d/z2749z277dz277fz277iz578qz57qaz57ri8plSilent Spiders and Ghosts
http://dek.im/d/z25rgz55ruzA5t2z3624z580g8pu-could tech in zaps
-not sure how great silence will be this war since dials and dims are expensive
RoL Hope - why not must have
http://dek.im/d/5laz25lkz55rrz85t261oz3622624z37jp8088pu precog sold -
http://dek.im/d/5laz25lkz35rrz75t2z261oz3622624z263az37jp8pu - precog merc - more aether quanta, much more reliable against discord
http://dek.im/d/z25lkz15rl5rozB5t2z161oz362263az47jp8pu - HG eternal - not a fan of perms in general, but its an option
Gimped Devtal
http://dek.im/d/4t9z25rrz75t2z45umz15utz1606z36227taz37um8pu - probably better to get rid of eclipse and just use 3 upped vamps
- could tech in eternity or steals
Gimped Bonebolt
http://dek.im/d/z252rz6542z35rgz15sez25t2z361qz2622z27qa7ri8pu -zaps nice for early control, SoR scarabs can keep bones up
http://dek.im/d/z252rz6542z45rgz25sez35t2z3622z37qa8pu - zapless SoR scarabtal
Silent PUGons
http://dek.im/d/zC5t2z461rz5624z37q67q87ri8pu probably not
Dim PUGons
http://dek.im/d/z15rrzE5t2z361rz361tz27q6z17qb8pu had to make a lot of compromises to get to 6 cost eh, not excited about this
http://dek.im/d/5ro5rrzE5t2z361rz461tz37q68pu significatly better with lt ups
Dim pharaohs
http://dek.im/d/zA5rgz45rsz55t2z561tz16248pu - not excited about this either
Ghostmare
http://dek.im/d/z55rgz25rk5rlz55ruz55t25uoz15upz25v1z17tb8pt kind of a must have, although it gets pretty harshly nerfed by the new upgrade system
^currently at 7 up cost. Would probably need LT ups to work (with upped towers as bonus), as it's already pretty low on quanta
http://dek.im/d/zA5rgz25rkz45ruz15s4z15t2z15upz15urz25v18pt^soldier version
Grabbow
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz15905ogz25rgz25riz45rkz35t261qz277gz17dm8pm the classic. Eggs give +1.5 ups which help a lot! Gets even stronger with lt/gen ups
http://dek.im/d/4t9z44vjz15de5giz35rg5riz577g7ae7alz17dmz47qa7ri8pm grabbow rush
http://dek.im/d/z14t9z54vjz25rgz577gz17dmz57qaz17riz280a8pm Merc zap
Grabboquake
http://dek.im/d/z2590z3593z25rgz15rkz35ruz95t26rkz277g8pm - is this still viable? EQ might be good in this new meta Thought of EQ as well, I find myself looking for cheap upgrades instead of upgrading Pillars.
Ghostal
http://dek.im/d/z75rg5rm5ro5ruz85t2z461tz1622z27q58pu - costs 11.5 with only 3 ups, meaning it's pretty much only gen and lt viable (LT with a relic)
http://dek.im/d/4t9z65rgz25rl5rm5ro5rr5ruz75t2z561tz16228pu soldier [1 relic)
TLS - sanc dials? Yep, time light stall
http://dek.im/d/4t9z35lfz25liz55lmz25m6z15rj5rl5roz55rpz35rtzM5t2z47q57q88pq (scorp version)
Lifestall
http://dek.im/d/z25c9z55cqzA5rg5rjz15rkz15roz25sez45t2z37q5z17q67q88pn - should adding jade/thorn
inspiration for lifestall, nymph version á la kaempfer:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-salvage)-vindilos-3-0-player-4-(mobian)(light-salvage)/PDials - slightly weaker version than sov, but faster
http://dek.im/d/z252qz55rgz25rlz55rpz55t2z57188pk - costs 13.5. In other words, expensive as fuck and likely useless
http://dek.im/d/z14t9z152qz152rz25mqz55rpz15rrz55t2z57187qb8pk Lt precog
UGDials - not a huge fan of, but def cheap for us
http://dek.im/d/z25giz55rpz75t2z16rrz57n6z27q5z17ri8prmodded version
http://dek.im/d/z25giz15ogz55rpz55t2z16rrz17laz57n6z17q57ri8prSoVDials - perfect stallbreaker
http://dek.im/d/z25rgz25rlz55rpz55t25uoz15up5usz55viz17tb8pt - what's fun is that while dials are -1 unupped, they're -2.5 upped and practically useless for everyone else (bar darkness)
this version might need -1 up ah, shoot
http://dek.im/d/z25rgz15rlz55rp5rrz55t25uoz15up5usz55viz17tb8pt - HG soldier version
http://dek.im/d/z15mqz55rpz55t2z15usz55viz57qbz17tb8pt precog soldier version -drain +dusk is a good idea I agree, but can't afford it (-6.5)
http://dek.im/d/z44saz15c2z55rpz35rrz15t25ur5usz55viz271u8pt - rainbow sosac variant
Pharaohbow - such a troll doubt the new gens will prepare against this one when was last time this was in war? Heavily doubt it was used after I stepped down as time gen, i.e. War #7, but I'll look it up
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz24vl5iaz85rgz15rlz25rs5ru5v161q77jz17dm8pj - 9 cost, aka Lt boost OR changing some random card for a relic. Fire counter nr 1
http://dek.im/d/4t9z54vjz24vl5ia5ogz85rg5rlz25rs5ru5v161qz17dm8pj soldier legal
Gravy Pharaohs
http://dek.im/d/z155pz1560zD5rg5t2z57qcz47ri8plFocus Blast? sofo pull, proved to be really strong in trials at least
http://dek.im/d/z255t56iz35rgz15ri5roz25ruz85t2z2747z27527q58pl - soldier available
http://dek.im/d/z255tz35rg5ri5rl5roz25ruz85t2z3747z37528pl - significantly better Lt version
Momentoscorps RT spam is also pretty strong with neurotoxin. costs upgrades we'll need on momentum too, maybe only gen viable - nvm upped momentum's free
http://dek.im/d/z25rgz45rk5roz55rtz574az77q07q88pl 15 ups, soldier viable
I question if its fast enough with only RTs as CC, i remember using this in tournies when I first started playing etg and it rarely worked. Rushes will beat it every time, just not enough control
http://dek.im/d/z55rgz25rl5roz55rpz45rtz474az37q08pl HG dial version looks solid to me
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz15og5rg5roz55rpz35rt5t2z374az177i7al7q07ri8ps scorpbow dials - this is probably the most versatile version. blessed or CP scorps are better
-can switch PAs for deflags if worried about pulvy, maybe salvager too
Purple nymph
http://dek.im/d/4vcz550050uz15sez45t2z16tsz26u8z16vez57q1z17ri8pj -slow but lots of control. turn 3 nymph is common
Instosis - not a huge fan of, but maybe favorable against certain teams? i'm very unsure about how an instosis would look like with these rules, I'll have to tinker a bit around with that one
http://dek.im/d/5605c95f6z95rgz55rp5se61rz36u37n9z27q57q68pj - [Gen] we'll likely have all cards needed except sky blitz, chimera and maybe PU
-can tech in 2nd deflag for double dial
http://dek.im/d/5605c9z15f6z85rgz25rlz55rp5se61rz36u37n97q68pj - Lt [unupped HGs]
deja hope - might work once...
http://dek.im/d/z35lkz57jpz57k3z47q0z57q17q8z37qb8ps -pros: capable of countering devs and disco
-cons: not a lot of attack, dies easy to mass CC
http://dek.im/d/http://dek.im/d/z25lkz35rgz57jpz37k37q0z57q1z57qb8psdeja bond
http://dek.im/d/z25rg5rjz85t2z27amz37apz57q17q87qez37qu8pn needs more stall / gotp against DR, #SoR still up in the air, I do not think a second Eternity/RW is necesaary in a Bo5? Se we lose in a mirrory match?
HG rainbow stalls - á la the deck? I might need help on building that one with 50% time - or making it a mercstall I see this as a winner
EXTREMELY rough draft based on w3's trials deck:
http://dek.im/d/z94saz24vp52rz158vz15ihz35lmz55rpz55rrzC5t2z261qz171bz27k2z47q58pqMercstall - probably better:
http://dek.im/d/zE4saz54vpz15c5z55cqz55rpzB5t2z461q6qq7akz57q58pnScarabtal
http://dek.im/d/zA5t2z561qz3622z57qaz27ri8pu - zap, meh
http://dek.im/d/z25sezC5t2z3622z2624z47qaz17ri8pu - silent SoR - legit option here, but still may be too slow to adequately utilize
Armored scarabs - solid domin, 30 upgrades
http://dek.im/d/z4778z377dz277fz177i78qz57q0z57qaz17qc7ri8pl - pulvy
http://dek.im/d/55k5rgz4744z2752z577dz47q0z57qaz27qc8pm - sofo <- if we can find place for GPulls here we might have a gem
Disco scarmor - still needs some tweaking
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz65rgz15ruz16u1z26u5z177dz17dmz57qa8pj http://dek.im/d/z54vjz35rgz25ru5v1z26u5z277dz17dmz17q0z57qa8pjSopa
http://dek.im/d/z25i4z55ibz25j2z25jmz55rh5rj5roz65t28pphttp://dek.im/d/z455kz55rhz174gz37hiz67q0z57qa8pp - mono sopa
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz65rgz35rh5rqz15se5un626z37hi7n0z27qa8pp - Oa sopabow
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz15765rgz55rh5roz177iz17dmz27hiz57qa7ri8ps - nova sopa PA
http://dek.im/d/z54vj52u596z55t2z25up5ut626z27hiz57qaz17tb8pt - sopa steal bow
RT Mummies (invictus?)
http://dek.im/d/z152rz8542z45rk5roz45sez571dz172i8ps [from death war 11 - almost no variation, xcept adding QP against dark/entropy]
http://dek.im/d/4t9z152rzA542z45rkz45sez571d8ps - tinkerer role, still 0.5 ups left, could add RT or BW to make 31 cards
http://dek.im/d/z24sa4t9z152r52tz7542z45rkz45sez471d8ps - QP version for devs or disco
would it be better to remove mummies and make SoR pharaohs with BW?
http://dek.im/d/z252rz95rg5rrz45sez55t2z47qc8pk - SoR pharaoh BW
Blitz wings
HG catatitan - needs to be Lt or Gen...
catadials - viable otk if no SoD or PC
Mito Eggs
http://dek.im/d/5c2z25c9z45rgz17q0z57q27q37q57q87qkz37quz47ri8pnSpeed grabbow - gotta add scarabs, ghosts too slow
http://dek.im/d/z54vj5ogz55rgz25ru5s4z45t25v1z477g7al7dm8pm General version
http://dek.im/d/z54vj5ogz55rg5riz25ruz45t25v1z477g7al7dm8pm Lieutenant version
can always exchange a QP for a nova if need another upgrade... sceptic tbh, but yeah possible if critical
http://dek.im/d/z54vj5ogz65t2z477g7alz17dmz17q2z57qa8pm graboid/scarab bow
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz15rkz65t2z177dz477gz17dmz57qa8pm scarmor grabbow [sold]
http://dek.im/d/z54vjz35t25v1z277dz577gz17dmz57qaz17ri8pm scarmor grabbow [merc]
http://dek.im/d/4t9z54vj5onz25rgz15t25v161q6u1z477g7aez17dmz57qa8pm grabbow w/o perms [merc]
Life
Poison sosac heal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(life-upgrade)-heman-3-0-vineroz-(time-gambler-2-3)-(sub-kuroaitou)/ W vs fat entropy duo
L to SoV dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-gambler)-danieela-(sub-kuroaitou)-3-0-heman-(life-lt-)/ Mark deflag
http://dek.im/d/z24snz35bsz35c0z15cgz15f6z37acz57aez27alz17dm8po L to ghostmare
Fire stall
http://dek.im/d/z35cqz55f0z55f4z25f7z25fbz65giz17akz17baz37f28pn L to monotime
Rainbow stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-lt-)-player-4-(kaempfer13)-3-0-majofa(life-mercenary)/ L to rol hope
Dark dom
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(life-alchemist)-majofa-3-2-vindilos-(sub)-(lieutenant-time)/ W over ghostmare
L to SoV dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(time-salvager)(sub)-danieela-3-2-fippe94-(life-salvager)/ L to ghostmare
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(time-lt)-vineroz-3-2-gen-fippe94-(life-gen)/Entropy
Mono
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(entropy-lt)-calindu-3-0-vagman13-(time-lt)/ W over ghostmare
Grabbow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(entropy-upgrades)(sub)-thearrogantone-3-1-danieela-(time-salvage)/ W over sopa time
Dark dom
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(entropy-salvage)(sub)-aaronk474-3-0-danieela-(time-upgrades)(sub)/ W over poisondials
Diss Bolt stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(entropy-salvager)-thearrogantone-3-1-danieela-(time-salvager)/ W over sopa time
L to sopa bow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(time-general)-kuroaitou-3-1-dark-ripper-(entropy-sideboard)/Snova Pulvy grabbow
http://dek.im/d/z24vhz250uz5590z15c15ogz1624z56u3z36vez277f8pm W over sanc scorp dials
Pandabonium
http://dek.im/d/z54vpz450u52g52qz352r542z36vez5718z171a8pk W over earth duo scraps
W over ghostal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(entropy-salvage)-blacksmith-3-2-player4-(-kaemp)-(time-discard-)/SoP grabbow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(entropy-gen-)-wyand-3-0-player-4-(time-mercenary)/ W over rainbow stall
DBH
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(time-alch)-vindilos-3-0-blacksmith-(entropy-salvage)/ L to ghostmare
L to RT GnG
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(time-disc-)-vagman13-3-0-(gravity-disc-)-odii-odsen/SoD stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-9-207/(entropy-lt)-blacksmith-3-0-kaempfer-(time-gen)/ W over instosis
Gravy
Dim PU charger
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(gravity-salvage)-naesala-(sub)-3-0-fabian771-(time-upgrades)/ W over Pdials
catadials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(gravity-lt-)-kaempfer13-3-1-danieela-(time-tinkerer)/ W over bolt dial
guardtal
http://dek.im/d/z555k55s560z9576z1745z474775mz380i8pu L to SoV dials
darkdom
http://dek.im/d/z555kz155tz1562z1576z25v1z1744z4745z1747z175mz17t9z17tb8pt W to grabbowmare
L to rainbow stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-mercenary)-annele-3-0-insignificantweeaboo-(gravity-general)/msg1285384/#msg1285384Poison rush
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-gen-)-kaempfer13-3-2-insignificantweeaboo-(gravity-gen-)/msg1284433/ L to ghostmare
death duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(gravity-gen-)-worldwideweb3-3-0-vagman13-(time-lt-)/ W over fire duo
War 13 decks - upped armagios may get splashed, gravy shield splash common, salvager,
darkdom
dim PU chargers -
catatitan - unlikely to see
catadials - could see if viable
guardtal -
http://dek.im/d/4t9z555k55sz9576z3622z1745z474774g8pu Lt + relic
poison rush - unlikely in vault
death duo
DBH
Swallow - likely in vault, just fewer ups -
http://dek.im/d/z14t9zA55kz155rz355tz274bz3752z37hi8ppvoodoo GP - likely in vault, solid against rush/domins
Grabbow - unlikely to see [RT/eternity]
Pulvy duo - should be in vault
light stall
mono
Earth
Trident sopa
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(earth-sideboard)-ji412jo-(sub-jenkar)-3-0-vineroz-(time-salvage)/ W over ghostal
W over UGs
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(earth-sideboard)-jenkar-3-1-vagman-(time-tinkerer)-mine-used/ L to zap rush
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(time-discard)-fabian771-3-2-ryli-(sub-jenkar)(earth-upgrades)/ W over rainbow stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(earth-lt)-manaboy100-3-0-vagman13-(time-merc)/ Pulvy sopa
http://dek.im/d/4smz5596z65i4z15ibz35j2z577ez277f7gk8pl W over poisondials
W over SOV dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(earth-lieutenant)-ryli-3-0-kuroaitou-(time-general)/ Immortal
http://dek.im/d/z5594zG5aaz55liz55m677bz177c78qz17k1z57q98pq W over wings duo
Monopulvy
http://dek.im/d/z24smz858o58vz3595z259cz15aaz577az177f8pl L to sov dials with steal
BB DL SoV
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-1-player-4-(time-lt-)/ W over SoR gold nymphs
W over ghostmare
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-7-172/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-1-annele-(time-lt-)/RT grabbies
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-1-annele-(time-alchemist)/ W over disco CP vu scorps
W over EA eternity
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-11/(earth-lt-)-jen-i-3-0-annele-(time-lt-)/Pulvy gravy duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-10-409/(time-salvage)-annele-3-1-immortal_feud-(earth-salvage)/ L to EA eternity
W to ghostmare
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-9-207/(earth-salvage)-jen-i-3-2-player-4-(time-alchemist)/Fire duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(time-gen-)-kaempfer13-3-0-jen-i-(earth-discard)/ L to rol hope
Mono grabby rush
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-12/(time-lieutenant)-annele-3-0-jen-i-(earth-lieutenant)/ L to rol hope
Dim antliontal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(time-general)-kuroaitou-3-2-ji412jo-(earth-gambler)/ L to TLS scorps
War 13 variations
Trident sopa
http://dek.im/d/z558uz5596z55aaz15iaz15ibz35icz35j2z278q8ppFire
Bone bolt
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(fire-upgrades)-theonlyrealbeef-3-2-fabian771-(time-upgrades)/ W over pdials
Void dial stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-salvage)-fabian771-3-1-xn0ize(fire-upgrades)/ L to ghostmare
sanc stall w/o dials
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/(time-discard)-fabian771-3-1-xn0ize-(fire-upgrades)/ L to ghostal
monofire
http://dek.im/d/z25f0z55f4z25f6z15f7z55fcz15giz37dgz37f28po L to SoR nymphs
W over SoR NT
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-8-173/(fire-general)-killsdazombies-3-1-danieela-(time-tinkerer)/Bolt dials
http://dek.im/d/z75f0z55f45f6z25f7z67dgz47q98pq W over frog duo
UG wings
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-1-166/(time-gen-)-kaempfer13-3-1-shockcannon-(fire-gen-)/msg1284066/#msg1284066 L to SoR pharaohs
Heal bolt
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-3-168/(time-salvage)-vindilos-3-1-(fire-tinkerer)-player-4-(shockcannon)/ L to ghostmare
Jonnington
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-6-171/(fire-salvage)-(sub)-zyardran-3-0-player-4-(time-alchemist)/ W over ghostmare
L to SoG stall
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-5-170/(time-lt-)-vineroz-3-0-gen-discord-(light-gen-)/ Light
Dim PUgon
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-2-167/serprex-light-sideboard-3-2-kurotaiou-time-general/ W over PUgon
Miracle chargertal
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/round-4-169/(time-upgrades)-vagman13-(sub-kuroaitou)-3-0-serprex-(light-mercenary)/ L to RT GnG
Pulvy sader
http://dek.im/d/z1596z55aa
