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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg100676#msg100676
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 10:31:49 am »
people put effort in making a post and other people suggest that the post gets deleted because it's similar to other threads?
this is crazy..

he did not copy/paste a material that is on the forum, he created original content so kudos to you finkel,
keep up the good work!!!

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg100923#msg100923
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2010, 07:06:45 pm »
Wow, I needed this. My win ratio with RoL/Fractal/Hope is so low, but I think this guide just raised it by a few %.

I realized some of the mistakes I made. Thanks.

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EDIT:
A thing about Morte though. I just played him and won because I had 8 Ray of Lights out and he had 4 Graveyards out, without any dragons. On one turn he played two Retroviruses, so I lobo'd one and let him sacrifice the other. Then, I Fractaled the Ray of Lights that were about to die and played 5 more. When my Ray of Lights died, it filled his side with Skeletons and I didn't have to worry about the dragons.

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102312#msg102312
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2010, 06:44:30 pm »
shard of gratitude : NOT NEEDED!

Yes, it helps with EM. but to start it all, SG's rainbow is - I think- more effective at getting EM's then this one. However, this one is smaller and will make the matches quicker.

Lobotomizer is also NOT NEEDED. I use it without it and it goes well.

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102337#msg102337
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2010, 07:35:10 pm »
shard of gratitude : NOT NEEDED!

Lobotomizer is also NOT NEEDED. I use it without it and it goes well.
Beat Osris, Scorpio, Morte, Graviton, Chaos Lord and Dream Catcher, Dark Matter, Gemini, Rainbow, Eldinis and Fire Queen without lobo and sogs then.... and some more but they are impossible or almost so anyways with elecs and sogs. These are all gods I could not win without my sogs or elecs.

You NEED elec/lobo against Osris against his pharohs and scarabs, in fact if I don't get one early enough I will quit because it is almost impossible then with his scarabs devouring any rols you manage to fractal each turn and then eventually any dragons you can get out too.

You also need it against graviton and gemini because they have unstoppable.

Good luck out rushing Scorpio's posion without sogs or elecs to trim down his poison counter or against Morte who already has plagues anyway.

And not having an elec rusn the risk of super mutants appearing with Chaos Lord and Dream Catcher and nymphs coming out of Destiny. Also a grav nymph against dark matter would kill your quanta production.

Without sogs in general, you run the risk of being out rushed by the gods you can "defeat" further lowering your win %. That's a whole load of gods you have to skip there.... :/




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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102338#msg102338
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2010, 07:35:17 pm »
MY deck is similar to the one above but it is not fully upgraded yet. -1 fractal, -1 shard. +1 aether pillar. DO you have an upgrade guide?

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102346#msg102346
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2010, 07:42:00 pm »
@Owl: "Necessary Upgrades" are right in the beginning.
@Sethia: Yup, I have that strategy listed under another god, I think Incarnate (I gtg soon, so no time to check, sorry), but you're right, I was planning on moving it to Morte after noticing that it's actually a very effective strategy against him (like getting fractal gods to fractal your rays - easy to stop their damage).

I'll add most/all of the rest of the gods tomorrow. I'm trying out and adding new strategies as I go. I keep underestimating how quickly the Gods can stack on the damage, so I'm trying to find the optimal number of rays to put out against each gods to know when to fractal and thus be able to do it as soon as possible.

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102399#msg102399
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2010, 08:50:36 pm »
osiris without it - beaten. was awful, only happened once. it involved fractaling those rays of light over and over until I had enough quanta to throw a bunch of dragons in. was awfully close.

Dream catcher - beaten. also VERRYY close, but after I got enough ray of lights going his discord couldn't really make me lose it.

Scorpio - got close to, and when I mean close to I mean that I was about to fractal the dragons. however, he was quicker and finished me a turn earlier.

Morte- Didn't

Graviton - Didn't

 Chaos Lord - Didn't

Dark matter - almost

 Gemini - Haven't found him yet

 Rainbow - just got him. fractaled until I had 14 ray of lights, then dragons. easy.

 Elidnis - Didn't

 Fire Queen - not found with this deck yet.

Destiny - beated her/him 3 times. what's the problem here? mass protection of at least 15- Which honestly, is the highest I've seen her get - is enough to out-race her/him.


I wasn't saying that I can beat all the gods that the original deck can beat, But I don't say it becomes COMPLETELY useless. it can beat some. As you see, I got four of your list, and haven't found other 2, so it's still a good go.



@Finkel : 8 against divine glory and your safe. against most of the others, including rainbow, seism, and others, 10-14 defense is the way to go.











EDIT : Found gemini. break down of it -

I got terrible hand. played 5 aether PILLARS (I'm testing this deck with only the 6 ray of lights upped, even the dragons are un-upped) and gave it a go. the other cards were golden dragon and fractal.

Gemini turn : He brought out a phase recluse, 3 aether towers.

My turn : got another golden dragon. skip.

His turn : nothing. Just another tower.

Me : hope. bad draw. <.<



he did nothing, and - Me : another dragon.

His turn : gravity tower and momentum-ed the phase recluse. gave it a go.

Me : Hope.


he gave it a go, and - Me : Ray of light. fractaled it. full hand resulted on 4 of those little guys on the field.

He did nothing. I got golden dragon and gave it a go.

He again did nothing. I got another fractal. Used hope, and fractal. 7 protection, but didn't matter since he had unstoppable.

He played lobo. I played aether pillar. he lobo-ed a RoL. (See the awful draws I'm getting?)

I got ANOTHER ray of light.  used it and then played ANOTHER hope to clear a little my hand. He phase recluse and momentumed. I played a dragon and a RoL, died next turn.

As you see : Due to horrible draws, I couldn't keep a steady go. but I would of died anyway because he already had two momentumed creatures. But things don't always go that way. The chances of winning are slim, but they exist.

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102920#msg102920
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2010, 04:37:40 pm »

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102965#msg102965
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2010, 05:45:27 pm »
@Dm: Any and every god can be impossible or a cake walk depending on their draw. You could, theoretically, even beat octane, though the probability is so low it might as well be impossible. I have no idea what you mean by "didn't." Does that mean that you "didn't" attempt the god? Draw your electrocuter? :S

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg102969#msg102969
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2010, 05:47:59 pm »
I guess he hasnt won until now.

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg103638#msg103638
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2010, 09:58:45 am »
Didn't are the ones I lost to.  And the haven't found are the ones that.. well, Haven't found..



Yesterday I managed to get two electrocuters and ONE sog. since ONE sog wouldn't make to much a difference, I didn't add it. the electrocuter was hard to draw, so it didn't made a difference unless I got one on a early draw against most gods. though it helped.

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Re: RoL+Fractal+Hope Strategy guide! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8602.msg103700#msg103700
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2010, 01:25:05 pm »
Eternal Phoenix Strategy (I just consider him medium, not hard by any means)
Most important thing to remember is that he only has 2 firestorms. Here is how you beat him. In early game, make SURE you have at least 1  RoL out by his first turn. He will fractal it. Dont place any more than 3 down at a time until his first fire storm is used. I would still not place an more than needed after that. If he places a ruby dragon, then place a few more, but still not too many. Try to keep as many in your hand as possible. And dont play another fractal until necessary. Your RoLs really could kill him, just be sure you play your SoG's as you get them that way your towers arent effected by explosion. If he destroys your defense with Fire Storm, then play the RoLs you were storing in your hand, and fractal them since you saved one of those as well (along with enough quanta). From there that would have been his second fire storm, so you won.
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