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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1022995#msg1022995
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 09:15:01 am »
Well, I'm not really fast (average around 1 minute) but I've developed a really basic way of doing the Rubik's cube that requires only four algorithms*!

*Assuming you know how to get the first cross, with two of the algorithms being F'RFR' and FRUR'U'F'. If you can do Petrus up to the last layer, then you only need three algorithms (this time without FRUR'U'F'), each of the remaining algorithms being only four turns (with some extra logic).

Actually we can easily prove that we need at least 4 algorithms (not steps.. I don't know the proper English term for this) to solve the rubik's cube: that is,
Permutation of Edges, Permutation of Corners, Orientation of Edges, Orientation of Corners. and this also leads to 4 step solving. Think of the blind solving.

P.S. Fridrich Method is also 4 steps.

Ah, yes, I didn't mean that my method was only 4 steps. In fact, the method I developed is nearly identical (in both the number of steps and the goal of each step) as the fundamental method (which I think was 7 steps). The main interest I have in the method I developed is the re-usability of "algorithms" (I use algorithm to mean any series of turns) across multiple steps leads to being able to solve any cube with only 4 algorithms memorized. To go into more detail:

Step 1: Permutation and orientation of first-layer edges
Step 2: Permutation and orientation of first-layer corners (Alg. 1 for each corner)
Step 3: Permutation and orientation of middle-layer edges (Alg. 2 for each edge)
Step 4: Orientation of last-layer edges (FRUR'U'F')
Step 5: Permutation of last-layer edges (Alg. 2 x4)
Step 6: Permutation of last-layer corners (Alg. 3 x4)
Step 7: Orientation of last-layer corners (Alg. 1 x6 for each corner)

Another thing is that the last three steps create isolated cycles, which means that you can do steps 5, 6, and 7 in any order you like.

If you'd like, I could go into more detail, but it isn't really that amazing or practical--only interesting.

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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1022998#msg1022998
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012, 09:25:14 am »
Well, I'm not really fast (average around 1 minute) but I've developed a really basic way of doing the Rubik's cube that requires only four algorithms*!

*Assuming you know how to get the first cross, with two of the algorithms being F'RFR' and FRUR'U'F'. If you can do Petrus up to the last layer, then you only need three algorithms (this time without FRUR'U'F'), each of the remaining algorithms being only four turns (with some extra logic).

Actually we can easily prove that we need at least 4 algorithms (not steps.. I don't know the proper English term for this) to solve the rubik's cube: that is,
Permutation of Edges, Permutation of Corners, Orientation of Edges, Orientation of Corners. and this also leads to 4 step solving. Think of the blind solving.

P.S. Fridrich Method is also 4 steps.

Ah, yes, I didn't mean that my method was only 4 steps. In fact, the method I developed is nearly identical (in both the number of steps and the goal of each step) as the fundamental method (which I think was 7 steps). The main interest I have in the method I developed is the re-usability of "algorithms" (I use algorithm to mean any series of turns) across multiple steps leads to being able to solve any cube with only 4 algorithms memorized. To go into more detail:

Step 1: Permutation and orientation of first-layer edges
Step 2: Permutation and orientation of first-layer corners (Alg. 1 for each corner)
Step 3: Permutation and orientation of middle-layer edges (Alg. 2 for each edge)
Step 4: Orientation of last-layer edges (FRUR'U'F')
Step 5: Permutation of last-layer edges (Alg. 2 x4)
Step 6: Permutation of last-layer corners (Alg. 3 x4)
Step 7: Orientation of last-layer corners (Alg. 1 x6 for each corner)

Another thing is that the last three steps create isolated cycles, which means that you can do steps 5, 6, and 7 in any order you like.

If you'd like, I could go into more detail, but it isn't really that amazing or practical--only interesting.

If you heard about 8355 method, (though it may be an basic solution you said) you can find that that method is very similar to yours.
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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1023002#msg1023002
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012, 09:47:33 am »
Hm... After reading about the 8355 method on http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?10158-8355-method-easy-way-to-solve-cube , I don't exactly see the similarity. If anything, my method is LBL.

Haha, while researching 8355 I've come across the one-algorithm sexy method. I have to learn this! Have you seen it before?

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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1023004#msg1023004
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 09:57:34 am »
Hm... After reading about the 8355 method on http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?10158-8355-method-easy-way-to-solve-cube , I don't exactly see the similarity. If anything, my method is LBL.

Haha, while researching 8355 I've come across the one-algorithm sexy method. I have to learn this! Have you seen it before?

Sexy method is a solution which uses sexy move (aka twist, R U R' U'), very similar to 8355 method.
Additionally, 8355 is one of the LBL method.
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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1023007#msg1023007
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 10:10:38 am »
Additionally, 8355 is one of the LBL method.

Ah. I don't use a keyhole in my method, and the algorithms seemed different, so I dismissed it as similar.

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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1023008#msg1023008
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 10:14:09 am »
Additionally, 8355 is one of the LBL method.

Ah. I don't use a keyhole in my method, and the algorithms seemed different, so I dismissed it as similar.

Actually keyhole is a support method not the main, and anyone who do not know the keyhole still can use 8355 method.
Your method is-isn't-similar to keyhole, whatever whoever think it similar ;) - depends.
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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1023025#msg1023025
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 02:04:14 pm »
~ 1min (2x2x2)
~ 2min30 (3x3x3)
~ 7min30  (4x4x4)

I'm not so good with memorizing so I use algorithms that are easy to remember (but they are not great as you can all see)
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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1028125#msg1028125
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2013, 09:34:05 pm »
I've only ever done 3x3x3 cube. I think my fastest is about 3 minutes. Only know 1 algorithm...

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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1030851#msg1030851
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2013, 11:11:01 pm »
My best time on a 3x3x3 is ~50 seconds, but im still learning tricks on 4x4x4.  Any tips?

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Re: Anyone do Rubik's Cube? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44041.msg1030978#msg1030978
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 12:29:58 pm »
My best time on a 3x3x3 is ~50 seconds, but im still learning tricks on 4x4x4.  Any tips?
If you are pairing one edge pairs at one time, try to make 2 edge pairs at a same time.
Fast looking for the pieces is very important.
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