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Elements the Game => PvP Events => Events and Competitions => Sideboard => Topic started by: Scaredgirl on November 23, 2010, 12:42:25 pm
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Please post feedback and suggestions. Thank you.
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in the finals, where winner of winner's bracket faced winner of loser's bracket, there need to be leverage for the winner of winner's bracket because everyone else (including winner of loser's bracket) have fought twice to get where they are but losing means winner of winner's bracket only fought once before being eliminated altogether
might be hard to understand, check here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_elimination#Conducting_the_tournament) for a better explanation
my suggestion from what i've seen in other games is that winner of the winner's bracket are awarded a Game 1 win which means they only need to win one more game to take the title whereas winner of loser's bracket need to win 2 games and not lost a single one
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my suggestion from what i've seen in other games is that winner of the winner's bracket are awarded a Game 1 win which means they only need to win one more game to take the title whereas winner of loser's bracket need to win 2 games and not lost a single one
Yes, this is exactly how it goes and Challonge brackets do it automatically. Like it says in the rules, you need to lose twice to be removed from the event, meaning the winner of the losers brackets must beat his or her opponent twice.
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My only suggestion is to require those that get a bye, thus an auto seat in round 1, to post their decks as everyone in the preliminaries has to do. No need to make the advantage they get by playing 1 less round any bigger than it already is by giving them the opportunity to counter their incoming opponents decks, opponents who have zero knowledge of what to expect.
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agreed^
the way i see on how to make it work is, once bracket has been posted, those who goes straight to R1 will be required to post a dummy 1-0 result thread with their decklist (main deck and sideboard) as content
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Looking for someone interested in being the organizer for this event, so please PM me if you are interested. Someone who has participated in the past one and understands it well is preferred.
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I heard this was gonna be the next event, so I guess I'll give my 'way late' feedback.
First of all, SoGs were bad for this event. You either had to play them or play a deck to counter them. With the nerf, they may not be as bad, but I doubt you'll allow any Shards yet.
Second, if a player gets a bye, as Napalm said, they should have to post their deck. The bye is already enough of an advantage.
Third, I like the 6 upped cards rule, I'm pretty sure others did as well, but I don't think they should be 'set' from the start. You should be able to pick to upgrade any 6 cards in your deck that you want. This will give even more teching if necessary.
Other than that, I think the event can be left how it is.
(Also, I can host if you still need someone.. but people would have to send their decks to you, since that'd be too much of an advantage if I saw everyone's decks.
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Here are the rules changes I am thinking of adopting. I wanted to give everyone a few days to discuss them before making it official and starting up the event.
1. No Shards
- Pretty self-explanatory
2. Upped Cards Can Be Changed
- You can change which cards are upped from match-to-match instead of having to keep the same 6 cards for the entire event
3. Ban List
- As it stands there is little or no incentive for deck creativity. Not much really sets it apart from Leagues. Certain select popular PvP cards would be banned to encourage diversity in deckbuilding and sideboards.
4. Deck Size Isn't Fixed
- Instead of selecting an intial deck and being forced to use decks of that size the entire time, players can use any size deck they like. Instead players will be given 50 cards for their deck+sideboard.
5. Bracket Format Changed
- I forget what the issue was with the World Cup style format, so I'm going to try it here. Players will be placed into pools and play each other once. The winner of each pool will then go into a single-elimination tournament to determine the final winner. This should eliminate any issues with players getting BYE's.
I think I covered just about everything but if I forgot something let me know.
Proposed Ban List
:death Bone Wall
:darkness Devourer
:aether Dimensional Shield
:entropy Discord
:fire Fire Bolt
:time Ghost of the Past
:earth Graboid
** The idea is no more than 1 ban per element and only bans to eliminate the most popular PvP decks to force creative deckbuilding **
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I agree with all of these changes.
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I love the World Cup style brackets.
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All would be more then fine with me (and I hope these rules will be made!)except...
4. Deck Size Isn't Fixed
- Instead of selecting an intial deck and being forced to use decks of that size the entire time, players can use any size deck they like. Instead players will be given 50 cards for their deck+sideboard.
Strong players we're those who could make decks that counters most deck when tweaking em a bit, 50 cards ain't a sideboard, it becomes a mini-vault and it will totally change the idea of the event. If you wish to change the size a bit, just say you work with 36 cards as before and make a deck of 30 TO 36 cards, so there is room for a lil flexibility and the fear of deckout will be here. I hope people will agree on this.
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Under the old system the minimum size of a deck+sideboard was 45 cards (30 card deck + 15 card sideboard). All the 50 card system does is allow people to change deck size between matches with different cards. Keep in mind 50 cards isn't just the sideboard, it's the total size of the deck AND sideboard, so a 30 card deck would have a 20 card sideboard for example.
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If there is no more feedback, I'll modify the rules tonight and post up a sign-up shortly after. I think a perfect start date for this would be immediately after Christmas.
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I agree with mrpaper that a larger sideboard is a bad idea, 50 cards is basically a two deck vault which is too much like War. Sideboard is supposed to be you have your main deck and then some extra cards to tweak it with.
Do we really need a ban list? Perhaps during signups you could run a poll and let the participants pick the cards to be banned.
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If there is no more feedback, I'll modify the rules tonight and post up a sign-up shortly after. I think a perfect start date for this would be immediately after Christmas.
Hope you didnt mean Christmas of 2012 :P
is this coming soon?
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This event probably won't start for at least a month... or longer depending on when War starts.
Is there anymore feedback on the rule changes proposed by TStar?
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Here are the rules changes I am thinking of adopting. I wanted to give everyone a few days to discuss them before making it official and starting up the event.
1. No Shards
- Pretty self-explanatory
2. Upped Cards Can Be Changed
- You can change which cards are upped from match-to-match instead of having to keep the same 6 cards for the entire event
3. Ban List
- As it stands there is little or no incentive for deck creativity. Not much really sets it apart from Leagues. Certain select popular PvP cards would be banned to encourage diversity in deckbuilding and sideboards.
4. Deck Size Isn't Fixed
- Instead of selecting an intial deck and being forced to use decks of that size the entire time, players can use any size deck they like. Instead players will be given 50 cards for their deck+sideboard.
5. Bracket Format Changed
- I forget what the issue was with the World Cup style format, so I'm going to try it here. Players will be placed into pools and play each other once. The winner of each pool will then go into a single-elimination tournament to determine the final winner. This should eliminate any issues with players getting BYE's.
I think I covered just about everything but if I forgot something let me know.
Proposed Ban List
:death Bone Wall
:darkness Devourer
:aether Dimensional Shield
:entropy Discord
:fire Fire Bolt
:time Ghost of the Past
:earth Graboid
** The idea is no more than 1 ban per element and only bans to eliminate the most popular PvP decks to force creative deckbuilding **
Any last thoughts on these changes?
1.) With the SoG nerf from a while ago and the soon to be nerfed SoSac, do these still need to be banned? Personally, I like banning all Shards just out of principle, what are your thoughts?
2.) Being able to change your upped cards will be a welcom addition to this Sideboard.
3.) The ban list was well received.. now that it's been a while, have your thoughts on it changed? Are there any cards missing?
4.) Thoughts on the deck size not being fixed?
5.) World Cup style format! This should be fun!
Any other thoughts?
..The rules/signups should be up sometime later today!