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(Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210690#msg1210690
« on: October 16, 2015, 06:13:54 pm »
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Good games, nice deck team Light.

G1 (Win):
Knew what I'd be facing as soon as I saw the mark and 30 cards. Lost the toss. 4 quanta start, but I topdeck another to get to 5. This is important, it means I can play a dragon on the third turn. Fahren pops out very early for haink. We get to the point where I can kill him the next turn if he doesn't play sundial - luckily for me he doesn't have one 13 cards in. With 11 fire quanta he needs to throw 3 bolts at a dragon to survive the turn, but I have 2(?) SoFr out and it survives.

G2 (Win):
Similar to G1. 4 quanta start, but this time I don't get the quanta topdeck. 3rd turn dragon pops out with 2 SoFr. Another early fahren for him, and a 5 pend start means a lot of fire quanta. On my 6th turn I have a 75% chance to kill him with Skyblitz. I take the shot, and it works.

G3 (Loss):
Won the cointoss. 3 quanta start, enough for a 4th turn dragon. Only a 2 pend start for haink this time, but fahren ASAP once again. This time haink plays around Skyblitz with two sundials, then miracles. I knock him back down into killing range, but 2 more dials and 5 firebolts are enough to kill me.

G4 (Win):
No idea who won the cointoss. Strong quanta draw for him, but no fahren until the final turn. Meanwhile I start with a damsel and a pillar. I topdeck two damsels in a row for a 4th turn dragon, then another to get to the 6 quanta per turn sweet spot. Haink plays the same combo as last game - 2 dials, miracle, more dials, but without fahren chipping away at me I'm still far too healthy to kill. Haink is forced to bolt my dragons, and kills 3 before I play a SoFr. I play a 4th with 1 SoFr out, which dies, and a 5th, which evades. At this point haink has an empty hand. He draws fahren, then I blitz for the win.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210692#msg1210692
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This was largely about my Rng.

Game 1 Lost: No sundials, no miracles till i die. Not enough firebolts vs his shard protected dragons
Game 2 Lost: Could -maybe- win this one but he blitzed a dragon and 3 dams and all of them shard triggered against my 51 hp. Would miracle next turn.
Game 3 Won: Early fahren chipped away him to bolt range while i had enough sundials.
Game 4 Lost: No fahren till i had 9 cards left. 2 miracles and 2 sundials weren't enough to protect me vs his waves of creatures, so i bolted 3 dragons. But more dragons came while more sundials didn't.

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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210703#msg1210703
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2015, 08:15:50 pm »
We knew it was a long shot, but we did not have enough relics to run the more powerful tinkerer build version.

Sorry, haink, you needed good draw-luck for this one, but the RNGoddes did not deliver...  :(
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210709#msg1210709
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2015, 08:58:48 pm »
wow.
air swept up round 3 without a loss.
nice
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210711#msg1210711
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2015, 09:03:45 pm »
wow.
air swept up round 3 without a loss.
nice

we still have one game.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210714#msg1210714
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2015, 09:20:46 pm »
wow.
air swept up round 3 without a loss.
nice

I could be the one to lose the last game for my team. :)

But yeah, I'll try to sweep up the last game to fulfill your dad joke :P
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210878#msg1210878
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 05:03:12 pm »
Hm. In testing this deck went 15-5 vs your deck. I guess that vs a player the win rate is a bit more equal but this one could have gone either way with different Rng.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210938#msg1210938
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2015, 09:06:07 pm »
wow.
air swept up round 3 without a loss.
nice

I could be the one to lose the last game for my team. :)

But yeah, I'll try to sweep up the last game to fulfill your dad joke :P

I couldn't sweep it for you, my friend Funky. :(

Hm. In testing this deck went 15-5 vs your deck. I guess that vs a player the win rate is a bit more equal but this one could have gone either way with different Rng.
All we've done are player-to-player testing and it's around a 80-20 for us for normal Firestall (your slim Sundial edition probably has a higher chance to win, maybe 60-40? idk), which is sort of reflected in this match. There are a LOT of micro decisions to make for the AI in regards to save SoFr vs. spam play for OTK vs. quanta to get a turn 3 dragon with the 6 quanta a turn sweet spot (which AI would for sure delay for a turn if they have a SoFr in hand), amongst others; that's probably why the testing on your part was skewed.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3 - 1 hainkarga (Light Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60087.msg1210946#msg1210946
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2015, 09:56:58 pm »
Hm. In testing this deck went 15-5 vs your deck. I guess that vs a player the win rate is a bit more equal but this one could have gone either way with different Rng.
All we've done are player-to-player testing and it's around a 80-20 for us for normal Firestall (your slim Sundial edition probably has a higher chance to win, maybe 60-40? idk), which is sort of reflected in this match. There are a LOT of micro decisions to make for the AI in regards to save SoFr vs. spam play for OTK vs. quanta to get a turn 3 dragon with the 6 quanta a turn sweet spot (which AI would for sure delay for a turn if they have a SoFr in hand), amongst others; that's probably why the testing on your part was skewed.
Yeah the ai is a lot worse than a real player. In testing ( vs the ai ) this went 80-20 vs a sligthely slower sofree rush than the on you brought. After playing and testing around 20K games vs the ai I've become pretty good to compensate to a more likely pvp win rate. This deck vs a player with the version you played the win rate should be around 50-50% slightly in our favor, but that might also be wishful thinking. So I really do think this could have gone either war with a different win rate.

Anyhow, good luck in war team  :air
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